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Is this backstabbing by a coworker ?

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Originally posted by: kranky
I understand. The manager and his manager convinced the interviewer to select the 2nd coworker instead of the 1st coworker.

So once again, what did the 2nd coworker do wrong? Nothing.
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You think that not one, but two higher ups will usually do that for all their employees, or might there have been something else to it? Like the 2nd coworker having some dirt on either or both managers, or the company itself.
 
if worker 2 told worker 1 that she wouldn't go for the job if 1 got it/interviewed for it and THEN does it anyway, then that's backstabbing.

the situation described in the OP is not.
 
Originally posted by: HN
if worker 2 told worker 1 that she wouldn't go for the job if 1 got it/interviewed for it and THEN does it anyway, then that's backstabbing.

the situation described in the OP is not.
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It may not be backstabbing, but it is highly unethical behavior for the 2nd coworker, both managers, and the Interviewer.
 
A quick shout out to my friends, the OJays!

:music:
(What they do!)
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
All you fellows who have someone and you really care, yeah, yeah
Then it's all of you fellows who better beware, yeah yeah
Somebody's out to get your lady
A few of your buddies they sure look shady
Blades are long, clenched tight in their fist
Aimin' straight at your back
And I don't think they'll miss
(What they do!)
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
I keep gettin' all these visits from my friends, yeah, what they doin to me
They come to my house again and again and again and again, yeah
So are they there to see my woman
I don't even be home but they just keep on comin'
What can I do to get on the right track
I wish they'd take some of these knives off my back
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
Low down... dirty...
(What they do!)
(They smile in your face)
Smiling faces... smiling faces sometimes tell lies (Back stabbers)
(They smile in your face)
I don't need... low down, dirty bastards (Back stabbers)
 
Originally posted by: HN
if worker 2 told worker 1 that she wouldn't go for the job if 1 got it/interviewed for it and THEN does it anyway, then that's backstabbing.

the situation described in the OP is not.
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when she heard that the 1st coworker got the job, she said I wanted the job out loud to me. Then I didn't hear anything from her ever again until this.
 
Fvck or be fvcked seems to be the new golden rule.

Your friend should be the wikipedia definition of back stabbing (on the recieving end of course).
 
I'm no lawyer but it seems like there would be some legal recours for employee 1. Once the job has been offered and accepted, there should not be any changes.
 
Originally posted by: broon
I'm no lawyer but it seems like there would be some legal recours for employee 1. Once the job has been offered and accepted, there should not be any changes.
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what if he didn't sign any paperwork ?
 
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
Originally posted by: broon
I'm no lawyer but it seems like there would be some legal recours for employee 1. Once the job has been offered and accepted, there should not be any changes.
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what if he didn't sign any paperwork ?
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Just read a similar court case for my civil law class. Basically a water park took a security company and showed them around, even talked about their security needs and whatnot. They came upon an agreeable salary and shook hands saying "its a deal". Then the water park went and gave it to another company. The security company that got the shaft sued for breach of contract and lost since there was no paperwork involved.
 
A verbal agreement is also a binding contract, in many states.

Call a lawyer, find out anyways -- they usually do a free consultation because they are all money hungry bastards.
 
Originally posted by: Scribe
A verbal agreement is also a binding contract, in many states.

Call a lawyer, find out anyways -- they usually do a free consultation because they are all money hungry bastards.
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But it's also hard/impossible to prove. If he got it in writing he'd definitely have a case. Without it, not so much.

Think of it like a car salesman. They give you a decent price and suddenly when it comes to signing for it they add a whole bunch of charges. Same principle. Verbal agreements don't mean much without written contracts.
 
I'm in HR, and the description of the scenario sounds fishy to me. How do you know the two managers strong armed the interviewer into rescinding the offer?

Sounds more like this to me. They had interviews set up with both, expected coworker 1 to be stronger, interviewed him, liked him, extended the verbal offer (which is almost always a contingent offer), interviewed coworker 2 and were surprised at how strong a candidate he was, met up to discuss, preferred candidate 2, rescinded candidate 1's offer and hired candidate 2.
 
Originally posted by: HotChic
I'm in HR, and the description of the scenario sounds fishy to me. How do you know the two managers strong armed the interviewer into rescinding the offer?

Sounds more like this to me. They had interviews set up with both, expected coworker 1 to be stronger, interviewed him, liked him, extended the verbal offer (which is almost always a contingent offer), interviewed coworker 2 and were surprised at how strong a candidate he was, met up to discuss, preferred candidate 2, rescinded candidate 1's offer and hired candidate 2.
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The interviewer wanted to hire the 1st coworker after interviewing the 2nd coworker. But the second talked to the interviewer and asked her to hire her.
 
What kind of company do you work for that would do such a thing? It also shows that you are obviously not unionized....
 
I would go to HR about it, just to let them know about the shadiness. Then I would find myself another job cuz thats just fvcked pure and simple. I understand all is fair in love and war, dog eat dog, may the better man win, but where are your scruples people!?
 
I probably have a tougher standard for behavior than 90% of the people here, and I still don't see that 2nd coworker did anything wrong! Although the OP has done a not-real-good job of describing what happened and in what sequence.

Two people applied for the job and while it was offered to 1st coworker initially, they changed their mind and offered it instead to 2nd coworker. The managers influenced the selection.

OK, once again, what in the world is people's problem with 2nd coworker?
 
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