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Is this apartment really 820sq ft (without patios)?

Also add in the bathroom, hallways, counter space in kitchen.


LxMxFxD4 said:
I know how to calculate sq footage but this makes it cryptic. I applied for this apartment site unseen, but now i'm second guessing the square footage.

If anyone can figure out how the INTERIOR space adds up to 820 let me know. Showing math would be helpful. I'm thinkin its more like 650ish and they are including patios.

Thoughts anyone?

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hard to tell because not all the information is there, but i would guess they ARE including patios because those are yours when youre renting.

and at first glance, yes it looks like about an 800sqft apartment. i wouldnt worry about it much, thats a very standard size for apartments going by the room sizes.
 
Tiamat said:
Also add in the bathroom, hallways, counter space in kitchen.
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Yep. I remember one place that counted the stairs twice. The area on the climb and under it even thought most of it was closed off.

Here in NoVA they don't count basement's even if finished but in others areas they do.

Maybe local codes/rules decide how to measure.
 
Looks like 800ish to me. 600 sq ft apartments are pretty small.

As states, it's more than just where you can walk. Just going off the labelled rooms, I think you've got over 400. And there looks to be almost twice that much there when you include the bathroom, hallway, kitchen, and everything else not labeled with rectangular dimensions.
 
The dims they give you add up to about 520' and you still have the kitchen, bathroom and closets left. Sounds about right.
 
Using 0.003246327 ft^2 per pixel I came up with 802 ft^2 total. I didn't count the area (thickness) of the exterior walls as I suspect the folks who gave the 820 ft^2 estimate did. I counted all the interior rooms plus the outside storage closet and the water heater room. If these spaces aren't heated then usually they aren't counted.
 
SKORPI0 said:
Bedroom= 153
Living Room= 191.111
Dining=75.3889
Patio1=73
Patio2=102
Bath= ?
Kitchen= ?
Laundry=?
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Bath + kitchen + laundry + hallways + closets = more than 2 * bedroom area (scaling), therefore with out the exact measurement that apartment is at least 750~800 sqf.
 
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IronWing said:
Using 0.003246327 ft^2 per pixel I came up with 802 ft^2 total. I didn't count the area (thickness) of the exterior walls as I suspect the folks who gave the 820 ft^2 estimate did. I counted all the interior rooms plus the outside storage closet and the water heater room. If these spaces aren't heated then usually they aren't counted.
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nice job
 
+595.86 Sqft

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IronWing said:
Using 0.003246327 ft^2 per pixel I came up with 802 ft^2 total. I didn't count the area (thickness) of the exterior walls as I suspect the folks who gave the 820 ft^2 estimate did. I counted all the interior rooms plus the outside storage closet and the water heater room. If these spaces aren't heated then usually they aren't counted.
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I thought about going per pixel too to calculate it too, good work. So without patios and without outside storage and hw room we are well under 800sq ft, basically?
 
LxMxFxD4 said:
So without patios and without outside storage and hw room we are well under 800sq ft, basically?
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Correct.

Also, that closet in the bathroom thing is exactly why builders should just build and leave architecture to the architects. Clothing plus high humidity doesn't end well.
 
LxMxFxD4 said:
I thought about going per pixel too to calculate it too, good work. So without patios and without outside storage and hw room we are well under 800sq ft, basically?
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I did commercial rough framing for years and consider it a real disservice to consumers, that fuckin' realtors advertise the square footage based on foundation overall width x length (which is what framers use for estimating material) as if it was how much actual living space there is for you to move around in.

One needed measurement is missing from the pic in order to calculate the overall length of the unit; the storage closet on the 102 sq. ft. patio. As a framer I know that closet uses a standard 3/0 door (38 1/2" rough opening), making the standard closet length 4'. That's the missing number, and keep in mind it's also half the overall length of the 102 sq. ft. patio.

Overall length

(Storage closet + Living room + Dining area)

4' + 14'4" + 9'10" = 338"

Overall width

(Bedroom + Living room)

11'4" + 13'4" = 296"

Overall Square Footage

296" x 338" = 100, 048 sq. in./144 sq. in. = 694.78 sq. ft.

694.78 + 51(102/2) + 73 = 818.78 sq. ft. (rounded up to 820 sq. ft.)


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oldsmoboat said:
+595.86 Sqft

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Close. I get:

26.6666' wide (you forgot to add the closet, which I figured was about 2'
x
24.16667' long

= 644.43 sq ft

Plus the small area of the bedroom (by the window) (im estimating now):
3' x 11.33' = 34 sq ft

Plus edge area in dining room under the foyer (another generous estimate):
2' x 9.8333' = 19.667 sq ft

Plus tiny strip (between right edge of kitchen to edge of bathroom):
1' x 19' = 19 sq ft

Totals would be 644.43 + 34 + 20 +19 = 717.43sq ft generously.

Do closets count as sq footage? I assume they do?
 
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LxMxFxD4 said:
Close. I get:

26.6666' wide (you forgot to add the closet, which I figured was about 2'
x
24.16667' long

= 644.43 sq ft

Plus the small area of the bedroom (im estimating now):
3' x 11.33' = 34 sq ft

Plus edge area in dining room under the foyer (another generous estimate):
2' x 9.8333' = 19.667 sq ft

Plus tiny strip (between right edge of kitchen to edge of bathroom):
1' x 19' = 19 sq ft

Totals would be 644.43 + 34 + 20 +19 = 717.43sq ft generously.

Do closets count as sq footage? I assume they do?
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You seem to be focusing on square footage rather than living space. I recommend plying with the floor plan in a graphics program and create scale objects of your furniture to give you a better sense of your living space. Comparing apartments or houses based solely on square footage is kind of silly.
 
Bubbaleone said:
I did commercial rough framing for years and consider it a real disservice to consumers, that fuckin' realtors advertise the square footage based on foundation overall width x length (which is what framers use for estimating material) as if it was how much actual living space there is for you to move around in.

One needed measurement is missing from the pic in order to calculate the overall length of the unit; the storage closet on the 102 sq. ft. patio. As a framer I know that closet uses a standard 3/0 door (38 1/2" rough opening), making the standard closet length 4'. That's the missing number, and keep in mind it's also half the overall length of the 102 sq. ft. patio.

Overall length

(Storage closet + Living room + Dining area)

4' + 14'4" + 9'10" = 338"

Overall width

(Bedroom + Living room)

11'4" + 13'4" = 296"

Overall Square Footage

296" x 338" = 100, 048 sq. in./144 sq. in. = 694.78 sq. ft.

694.78 + 51(102/2) + 73 = 818.78 sq. ft. (rounded up to 820 sq. ft.)


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Doesn't the closet add to the bedroom + living room width making it roughly 26.66' or 320" ?
 
No, I did this for a living for over 15 years and the calculations I'm showing you is the square footage based on the foundation perimeter + patio areas.
 
Bubbaleone said:
No, I did this for a living for over 15 years and the calculations I'm showing you is the square footage based on the foundation perimeter + patio areas.
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No doubt your post was great. But when you calculated the width of the apartment, you have it as only 296". This is 11.33' for the bedroom plus 13.33' for the living room width. This does not account for the closet width in the calculation of the width of the apartment witch is probably about 2' wide.

Am I missing something or can you go over this again?
 
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Sure, and this is what pisses me off about realty advertising; all your closet floorspace, all the floor space under cabinets, appliances, commode, tub/shower, the floor space that every interior wall is sitting on, and the exterior patio footage is included in the advertised 820 sq. ft.,
 
2 things:

1) There are various well defined standards for measuring square footage. Do you count mechanical/ service areas or not? Measure to the centerline of a wall, face of finish, or outside? Gross, net, rentable, etc. all get defined differently by different organizing bodies (BOMA, FICM, etc). For multi-unit apartment buildings the standard is ANSI/BOMA Z65.4—2010, which largely updates and clarifies the older NAHB standard.

2) The above generally doesn't matter when it comes to renting apartments. Partly because almost no one gets it right (by any standard much less the one they should be using), and partly because either way you're going to have to go look at it and decide if it's enough space for you and your stuff. No measurement standard I know of gives any weight to how efficiently space is laid out.

Just use the published SF to find places in the right ballpark and then go check it out.
 
Bubbaleone said:
Sure, and this is what pisses me off about realty advertising; all your closet floorspace, all the floor space under cabinets, appliances, commode, tub/shower, the floor space that every interior wall is sitting on, and the exterior patio footage is included in the advertised 820 sq. ft.,
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which is the mostly correct way to do it, with the possible exception of the patios, depending on building type.
 
Bubbaleone said:
Sure, and this is what pisses me off about realty advertising; all your closet floorspace, all the floor space under cabinets, appliances, commode, tub/shower, the floor space that every interior wall is sitting on, and the exterior patio footage is included in the advertised 820 sq. ft.,
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Well what im saying is that its really more like this:

Overall width:

320" (assuming the closet is 2' wide)

Overall length:

338" (4' + 14'4" + 9'10" )

320 x 338 = 108160 / 144 = 751 sq ft But this includes 51sq ft of patio, and does not include the width in the dining room calculation.

Thus, 699 sqft + maybe about 19' = 720sq ft.

The top patio remaining would be 51 sq ft + bottom patio = 73 sq ft = 844sq ft with patio, about 720sq ft without.

Strange but bottom line is - the apt aint no 820sq ft.
 
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