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Is this administration guilty of any of the accusations levied against it?

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Gaard

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Does anyone here think that this current administration is innocent of every accusation against it? I don't have the desire to go thru every past thread accusing this admin of doing something dishonest, but there are a lot of them.

Just a few:

[*]Lynch

[*]Tillman

[*]9/11

[*]WMD lies

[*]Libby/Plame

[*]OBL/SH when polls were down

[*]NG duty

[*]Patraeus

[*]linking 9/11 & Iraq

[*]many, many others

Are they innocent of them all?


 
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do believe that the Bush administration...

-deliberately and knowingly misled the public in terms of the Iraq intel
-deliberately and knowingly attempted to link 9/11 / OSB and Iraq/Saddam
-deliberately leaked Plame's name as political revenge (and set Libby up as the fall guy)
-purposefully used the terror alert level to generate hype during the election season
 
Has the administration been deemed guilty in court for any of those? I guess you could argue there was one for Plame if you consider the indirect verdict levied against Libby. But afiak, there have been no guilty verdicts for any of the situations you have cited. Also afaik, innocent before proven guilty is still valid in this country.

Maybe what you really mean is "Are you suspicious that the admin is guilty of the following?" since actual guilt is decided in a court of law and not by a biased rabble on an internet forum.
 
OK, I'll play.

Originally posted by: Gaard


[*]Lynch (meh, I think it more likely that deception was generated by the military)

[*]Tillman (same as above)

[*]9/11 (no)

[*]WMD lies (I think they believed it to be true. IMO, if they knew Saddam did NOT have WMD and wanted to go ahead with the lie, I guarantee WMD would have been found - they wouldv'e planted them)

[*]Libby/Plame (This whole stinks from the outset, including Plame and her attention whore asshat husband. )

[*]OBL/SH when polls were down (I don't understand ?? I get Bin Laden, whats "SH"?)

[*]NG duty (probrably)

[*]Patraeus (I don't understand. But if you're asking whether the report will be spun, of course. And by both sides, it's already started. But I do expect Patreaus to be accurate in his report)

[*]linking 9/11 & Iraq (Yes, even if in an indirect manner)

[*]many, many others (need details before commenting)

Are they innocent of them all?
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Responses above.

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Has the administration been deemed guilty in court for any of those? I guess you could argue there was one for Plame if you consider the indirect verdict levied against Libby. But afiak, there have been no guilty verdicts for any of the situations you have cited. Also afaik, innocent before proven guilty is still valid in this country.

Maybe what you really mean is "Are you suspicious that the admin is guilty of the following?" since actual guilt is decided in a court of law and not by a biased rabble on an internet forum.
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A perhaps valid point TLC, but methinks you are peeing your pants over the thought that many of us are already very convinced of GWB&co's guilt, and that there is a very real possibility that GWB&co may be indeed be tried and CONVICTED in just that domestic or international court of law you suggest is the only gold standard.

And there is something dubious about labeling opponents as rabble given all the GWB&co. political spin babble. Bring it on cuts both ways. GWB may indeed be playing you bet your life.

And just to head you off at the pass before you bring up the Clinton BJ, Clinton was tried and did not get CONVICTED domestically. End of story. And no international upset existed either. Care to bet GWB&co. will enjoy similar luck if he ever gets tried? Face the facts, a strong prima facia case can easily be made against GWB&co. being a international war criminal, and if that does not greatly upset you, there is something seriously wrong with you.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Maybe what you really mean is "Are you suspicious that the admin is guilty of the following?" since actual guilt is decided in a court of law and not by a biased rabble on an internet forum.
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OK.

Are you, TastesLikeChicken, suspicious that the admin is guilty of any of them?

 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Has the administration been deemed guilty in court for any of those? I guess you could argue there was one for Plame if you consider the indirect verdict levied against Libby. But afiak, there have been no guilty verdicts for any of the situations you have cited. Also afaik, innocent before proven guilty is still valid in this country.

Maybe what you really mean is "Are you suspicious that the admin is guilty of the following?" since actual guilt is decided in a court of law and not by a biased rabble on an internet forum.
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A perhaps valid point TLC, but methinks you are peeing your pants over the thought that many of us are already very convinced of GWB&co's guilt, and that there is a very real possibility that GWB&co may be indeed be tried and CONVICTED in just that domestic or international court of law you suggest is the only gold standard.

And there is something dubious about labeling opponents as rabble given all the GWB&co. political spin babble. Bring it on cuts both ways. GWB may indeed be playing you bet your life.

And just to head you off at the pass before you bring up the Clinton BJ, Clinton was tried and did not get CONVICTED domestically. End of story. And no international upset existed either. Care to bet GWB&co. will enjoy similar luck if he ever gets tried? Face the facts, a strong prima facia case can easily be made against GWB&co. being a international war criminal, and if that does not greatly upset you, there is something seriously wrong with you.
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You guys are a riot. You still don't get it, do you?

Your premise is completely flawed. You are operating under the grossly erroneous assumption that so many others in here also use as a rationale. That rationale is that if someone in this forum doesn't board the USS Bushsux with the rest of the majority bursting the berths that automatically makes them a GOP shill, a neocon lacky, a Bush fluffer. Look how quickly those in here will turn on anyone who usually bashes Bush but one day decides that maybe Bush isn't actually at fault for every ill in America today. Good lord, the lynch mob mobilizes, rousts the person from their bunk, and gives them the heave-ho over the railing.

But believe what you want. Keep one eye on all your imaginary neocon enemies and another on the sky for Bush's jackbooted thugs dropping from black helicopters. I'll just keep laughing my ass off at the idiocy of it all and the simplistic worldview that so many of you hold near and dear.

I have nothing vested in Bush and Co. I could not care less when Bush leaves office or if they string him up after he does. But I do love it that the leftistas permit him to get so far under their skin. It's excellent entertainment value watching them to constantly scratch that itch that all the Calamine lotion in the world won't soothe. For me it's not about Bush. It's all about watching the loonie lefties implode, seethe, rant, rave, and act like some of the biggest idiots on the face of the planet. Luckily the unhinged, swamp-fevered left aren't the worst idiots today. If not for the jihadis they'd have the top spot though. Who knows? Some day they may claim their rightful place as king of the idiots. It's a good reason for the left to support the WoT. They can get their throne back.
 
Guilty of crimes:
  • OBL/SH when polls were down
  • WMD lies
  • linking 9/11 & Iraq
  • Libby/Plame
Guilty of bullshit:
  • NG duty -- Guilty of ducking his obligation to remain flight certification to avoid combat in Vietnam.
  • Lynch -- Guilty of lying and exagerating to turning it into a PR event.
  • Tillman -- Guilty of the covering up the friendly fire and abusing his name for PR.
  • Patraeus -- Guilty of spinning to hide Whitehouse authorship if the "Patraeus Report"
Speculative bullshit:
  • 9/11 -- I don't think they're smart enough to pull it off or stupid enough to try.
  • Are they innocent of them all? -- You're joking. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do believe that the Bush administration...

-deliberately and knowingly misled the public in terms of the Iraq intel
-deliberately and knowingly attempted to link 9/11 / OSB and Iraq/Saddam
-deliberately leaked Plame's name as political revenge (and set Libby up as the fall guy)
-purposefully used the terror alert level to generate hype during the election season
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:thumbsup:
 
I'll write off anybody who actually believes that they really believed that Iraq was an immediate threat that needed to be dealt with before the inspections were done as a complete and utter nutjob.

There are tons of evidence against it, misrepresented evidence (UAV's being presented were RC planes built in balsa wood held together with duct tape and these could reach the US?), misrepresentation of information, like the Niger claims that were knowingly false when they were presented, the aluminum tubes that no expert had ever said was suitable for uranium enrichment and EVERY expert said they were NOT suitable for it and yet they were presented as evidence without any mention of that.

Those who do not believe that the US admin lied, cheated and falsified information to get the Iraq war are delusional, i don't know as much as most of you about the US congress, but when they give their permission to use force as the LAST choice, i don't think they mean "go ahead cowboy, screw the information and inspections, just attack immediately as your first choice".
 
As TLC now comes up with----You guys are a riot. You still don't get it, do you?

Your premise is completely flawed. You are operating under the grossly erroneous assumption that so many others in here also use as a rationale. That rationale is that if someone in this forum doesn't board the USS Bushsux with the rest of the majority bursting the berths that automatically makes them a GOP shill, a neocon lacky, a Bush fluffer.

Sorry TLC, I think your track record of posts does make you a basic neocon lacky and a Bush Fluffer. Your denials to the contrary do not trump the facts and the body of your posts. And unlike GWB who is dangerous, you are merely a laughable and misguided riot for thinking you fool anyone but yourself.

Many here don't board the USS Bushsux and still manage to stay credible, but the gang of three in TLC, heartsurgeon, and non Prof John seem to be total clones and totally biased. I hardly think I am alone in thinking you biased and willing to use any dubious logic to advance your agenda.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
As TLC now comes up with----You guys are a riot. You still don't get it, do you?

Your premise is completely flawed. You are operating under the grossly erroneous assumption that so many others in here also use as a rationale. That rationale is that if someone in this forum doesn't board the USS Bushsux with the rest of the majority bursting the berths that automatically makes them a GOP shill, a neocon lacky, a Bush fluffer.

Sorry TLC, I think your track record of posts does make you a basic neocon lacky and a Bush Fluffer. Your denials to the contrary do not trump the facts and the body of your posts. And unlike GWB who is dangerous, you are merely a laughable and misguided riot for thinking you fool anyone but yourself.

Many here don't board the USS Bushsux and still manage to stay credible, but the gang of three in TLC, heartsurgeon, and non Prof John seem to be total clones and totally biased. I hardly think I am alone in thinking you biased and willing to use any dubious logic to advance your agenda.
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I don't like him more than you do, but i think i like you even less because you STILL haven't learned how to hit the god damned quote button, half quoted posts or picking lines just makes whatever you have to say completely useless (i didn't read this post of your and i won't read any other of your posts either) and dishonest.

So get a fecking clue and learn to quote, it's no that hard, i can do it and i'm stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon lawMany here don't board the USS Bushsux and still manage to stay credible, but the gang of three in TLC, heartsurgeon, and non Prof John seem to be total clones and totally biased.
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The gang of three? You mean the 3 wise men? When I picture them, I like to picture them as a 3 headed dog guarding the gates of hell with giant devil horns, and singing lead vocal for Lynyrd Skynyrd with, like, a demon band. And I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Guilty of crimes:
  • OBL/SH when polls were down
  • WMD lies
  • linking 9/11 & Iraq
  • Libby/Plame
Guilty of bullshit:
  • NG duty -- Guilty of ducking his obligation to remain flight certification to avoid combat in Vietnam.
  • Lynch -- Guilty of lying and exagerating to turning it into a PR event.
  • Tillman -- Guilty of the covering up the friendly fire and abusing his name for PR.
  • Patraeus -- Guilty of spinning to hide Whitehouse authorship if the "Patraeus Report"
Speculative bullshit:
  • 9/11 -- I don't think they're smart enough to pull it off or stupid enough to try.
  • Are they innocent of them all? -- You're joking. :roll:
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OK Mr. Army reserves cook, why weren't you fighting over in Vietnam again? How exactly did you join the Army reserves as a cook when everyone else was getting drafted? At least Bush did something that takes some balls (flying a jet), unlike you, unless you consider being a cook dangerous.....Seems a little fishy to me, maybe you shouldn't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


Would you care to provide some proof for all of your allegations? Proof that GWB LIED?
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Does anyone here think that this current administration is innocent of every accusation against it? I don't have the desire to go thru every past thread accusing this admin of doing something dishonest, but there are a lot of them.

Just a few:

[*]Lynch

[*]Tillman

[*]9/11

[*]WMD lies

[*]Libby/Plame

[*]OBL/SH when polls were down

[*]NG duty

[*]Patraeus

[*]linking 9/11 & Iraq

[*]many, many others

Are they innocent of them all?
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Well, it seems that you care, and I don't...so we are back to zero.
Another person may think that they are guilty, another not...back to zero.

It's called a democracy, and thats the way it works,,,,,,unless there really is a conspiracy.
If there is, then it may be in my best interest to keep my opinion to myself, and accept that what I think really doesn't matter.🙁

 
If there was any proof that GWB&Co lied, he would have been brought up on charges by the Democrat congress by now. If there was actually proof, the American public would fully support congress, which would make the rest of the Repubs support the impeachment as well.

Maybe some of you believe there is actually proof out there but for some reason the Democrat congress isn't doing anything about it. I'm sure that you will refrain from voting for them again won't you? How would you feel if the Police didn't arrest a murderer because they didn't think the jury would convict him, even if they had solid evidence?
 
Originally posted by: JD50
If there was any proof that GWB&Co lied, he would have been brought up on charges by the Democrat congress by now. If there was actually proof, the American public would fully support congress, which would make the rest of the Repubs support the impeachment as well.

Maybe some of you believe there is actually proof out there but for some reason the Democrat congress isn't doing anything about it. I'm sure that you will refrain from voting for them again won't you? How would you feel if the Police didn't arrest a murderer because they didn't think the jury would convict him, even if they had solid evidence?
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So on one hand you have those who aren't doing anything about it and on the other hand you have those who enabled them to do what they did.

Hopefully when this disaterous Administration is out of power and aren't in a position to cover up their misdeeds if indeed there are misdeeds the truth will finally be revealed.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hopefully when this disaterous Administration is out of power and aren't in a position to cover up their misdeeds if indeed there are misdeeds the truth will finally be revealed.
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And we're back to two wrongs make a right. 😕

IF there is evidence and crimes were committed, AND nothing is being done about it - those in power are just as guilty as the ones who have committed the crimes.

But, as usual, you would seek to shield whichever side you happen to support.

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hopefully when this disaterous Administration is out of power and aren't in a position to cover up their misdeeds if indeed there are misdeeds the truth will finally be revealed.
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And we're back to two wrongs make a right. 😕

IF there is evidence and crimes were committed, AND nothing is being done about it - those in power are just as guilty as the ones who have committed the crimes.
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Yep if they have actual knowledge of the misdeeds and crimes

But, as usual, you would seek to shield whichever side you happen to support.
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Now how would I be able to shield anything? I am as insignificant in these matters as you are.

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hopefully when this disaterous Administration is out of power and aren't in a position to cover up their misdeeds if indeed there are misdeeds the truth will finally be revealed.
Click to expand...

And we're back to two wrongs make a right. 😕

IF there is evidence and crimes were committed, AND nothing is being done about it - those in power are just as guilty as the ones who have committed the crimes.

But, as usual, you would seek to shield whichever side you happen to support.
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Any investigation by Congress would be futile. Bush has clearly demonstrated that he will not cooperate. He'll claim national security and executive privilege. This administration is effectively immune from investigation. Congress won't have an investigation before there is the possibility of acquiring evidence they can act on. That will not happen until Bush is out and the Dems have a larger majority.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hopefully when this disaterous Administration is out of power and aren't in a position to cover up their misdeeds if indeed there are misdeeds the truth will finally be revealed.
Click to expand...

And we're back to two wrongs make a right. 😕

IF there is evidence and crimes were committed, AND nothing is being done about it - those in power are just as guilty as the ones who have committed the crimes.

But, as usual, you would seek to shield whichever side you happen to support.
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Sure there is evidence.

But first:

You have to find those million or so missing emails

You have to get access to Cheney's office - which he lets no one do

You have to get the cronies before a senate/judiciary panel UNDER OATH

etc COVERUP etc STONEWALLING etc
 
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