is this a P&N thread?

[DigDog]

A bit of backstory.

Im in the UK where i am now working in the emergency team of a large insurance company. Call center job, nothing spectacular.
My team lead is a pretty decent guy and we get along well.

Yesterday just before close (yeah, working on sunday) he says he likes US politics, which is ok, i too watch ye olde politics-based comedy shows like Bill Maher and Steven Colbert. He then says he likes Trump. Which is ok, ah ah , funny joke. Brits and their sense of humour.

He then proceeds to go on a tirade of every-single-lie ever spewed by trump without leaving out a single word, he had them all, the whole shebang: Benghazi, Witchhunt, Hilary's Emails, Obama Drone Strikes, No Collusion, Barr Good Muller Bad, $35Million, MSNBC Ratings Down, seriously it's like someone cut out every trump meme and made a 2-minute pastiche.

By the end i was expecting him to say the earth is flat or something.

I'm genuinely trying to cope with this and thinking if i can ever work with the guy again. I'd not so sure i can cope with being sat next to a MAGA hat-wearin' person, i find it genuinely distressing and have been considering if i should bring up the "no politics in the office" rule.

He is otherwise reasonable, he's against Brexit so he's got *some* understanding of reality. Maybe i should just buy him a hat and accept him as he is.

 

[trenchfoot]

Once bitten, like the proverbial vampires of old, the only way for a possible cure is to have the master, the original bloodsucker be gotten rid of. 'Til then suffer the fool's infidelity with sanity and remember that if ever another aberration, another alluring racist isolationist protectionist uncompromisingly incompetent con man makes fools of those that would worship the bullshit he stands in, run, run away from those that would see these kinds of vermin as worthy of being role models to emulate.

 

[ecogen]

Against brexit and pro-Trump, that's quite the odd combination. Sounds like the guy just gets his info about U.S. politics from a single set of sources, which means you could probably get him to see reason eventually. Whether that's worth your time is a different conversation, how long are you going to be working there?

 

[mikeymikec]

+1 ecogen's post. As I'm an argumentative sod, I'd probably try my level best to bite my lip and ignore his BS, but after that period expired I'd probably go after the lowest-hanging fruit of his delusional opinions (provided it's a case of "that's clearly wrong, look at this undeniable evidence" - straight from trump's mouth is the most amusing way to debunk pro-trump arguments), and maybe he'll start questioning the rest in an intelligent manner himself.

 

[DigDog]

That may have to be it, i'll just pretend it didn't happen and carry on.

 

[cytg111]

A bit of backstory.

Im in the UK where i am now working in the emergency team of a large insurance company. Call center job, nothing spectacular.
My team lead is a pretty decent guy and we get along well.

Yesterday just before close (yeah, working on sunday) he says he likes US politics, which is ok, i too watch ye olde politics-based comedy shows like Bill Maher and Steven Colbert. He then says he likes Trump. Which is ok, ah ah , funny joke. Brits and their sense of humour.

He then proceeds to go on a tirade of every-single-lie ever spewed by trump without leaving out a single word, he had them all, the whole shebang: Benghazi, Witchhunt, Hilary's Emails, Obama Drone Strikes, No Collusion, Barr Good Muller Bad, $35Million, MSNBC Ratings Down, seriously it's like someone cut out every trump meme and made a 2-minute pastiche.

By the end i was expecting him to say the earth is flat or something.

I'm genuinely trying to cope with this and thinking if i can ever work with the guy again. I'd not so sure i can cope with being sat next to a MAGA hat-wearin' person, i find it genuinely distressing and have been considering if i should bring up the "no politics in the office" rule.

He is otherwise reasonable, he's against Brexit so he's got *some* understanding of reality. Maybe i should just buy him a hat and accept him as he is.

Brad Parscale. Fear him.
If you get a chance, ask him to show you his facebook, twitter etc. See what kind of content social media shoves down his throat.

 

[zinfamous]

Against brexit and pro-Trump, that's quite the odd combination. Sounds like the guy just gets his info about U.S. politics from a single set of sources, which means you could probably get him to see reason eventually. Whether that's worth your time is a different conversation, how long are you going to be working there?

yeah, that makes no sense. Sounds like the guy has the potential to be a reasonable person if, at least, he sourced his US news from the non-crazy spots.

Just don't do politics at work, period. He's your boss and you need the job, right? Nothing good can come from workplace antagonistic politics/religion discussions.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I avoid talking politics and religion at work for this very reason. Once that seal is broken it can't be unbroken. Some things are best kept a mystery.

 

[mikeymikec]

I avoid talking politics and religion at work for this very reason. Once that seal is broken it can't be unbroken. Some things are best kept a mystery.

Doesn't that make socialising with work colleagues difficult?

While I make efforts to avoid discussing either of those topics with customers I visit, sometimes I'll engage on such topics once I've got a reasonable impression of the person and that such a topic isn't going to be divisive.

For example, upon hearing that my wife is German, I've had quite a few customers in recent months feel the need to apologise on behalf of the British for the referendum result

 

[dank69]

yeah, that makes no sense. Sounds like the guy has the potential to be a reasonable person if, at least, he sourced his US news from the non-crazy spots.

Just don't do politics at work, period. He's your boss and you need the job, right? Nothing good can come from workplace antagonistic politics/religion discussions.

Or, just tell him you are bro-Brexit now because Trump is pro-Brexit and who would argue with a genius.

 

[Majes]

Or, just tell him you are bro-Brexit now because Trump is pro-Brexit and who would argue with a genius.

This. This 100%

 

[Bitek]

That may have to be it, i'll just pretend it didn't happen and carry on.

This is why the "no politics at work" rule is paramount to maintaining good office relations.

Unfortunately it's typically some ill-informed conservative nutjob who's most likely to openly opine on all the stupid shit they believe. Be thankful if it avoided wandering into racism.

When someone does this at work, I can never think about and respect them in the same way, particularly if they are diehard conspiracy theorist or Trump humper (often goes in hand).

 

[Indus]

I think he's being pro Trump only because the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Ofcourse I could be wrong but discussing politics overseas is a lot tamer than discussing politics locally.

I've known some guys who like the footy.. I'm a huge Man City supporter and they are United supporters but till they started talking up Trump I didn't think they were conts. After that I refused to hang out and get pissed with them. Fuck em.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Doesn't that make socialising with work colleagues difficult?

While I make efforts to avoid discussing either of those topics with customers I visit, sometimes I'll engage on such topics once I've got a reasonable impression of the person and that such a topic isn't going to be divisive.

For example, upon hearing that my wife is German, I've had quite a few customers in recent months feel the need to apologise on behalf of the British for the referendum result

Generally I don't socialize with people I work with. i spend all day with these people. Don't want to spend my free time with them too!

That being said I'm outspoken when someone is maligning people. I speak out and since I have to see and interact with these people daily I know I'm better served just not going down that road to begin with.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

A bit of backstory.

Im in the UK where i am now working in the emergency team of a large insurance company. Call center job, nothing spectacular.
My team lead is a pretty decent guy and we get along well.

Yesterday just before close (yeah, working on sunday) he says he likes US politics, which is ok, i too watch ye olde politics-based comedy shows like Bill Maher and Steven Colbert. He then says he likes Trump. Which is ok, ah ah , funny joke. Brits and their sense of humour.

He then proceeds to go on a tirade of every-single-lie ever spewed by trump without leaving out a single word, he had them all, the whole shebang: Benghazi, Witchhunt, Hilary's Emails, Obama Drone Strikes, No Collusion, Barr Good Muller Bad, $35Million, MSNBC Ratings Down, seriously it's like someone cut out every trump meme and made a 2-minute pastiche.

By the end i was expecting him to say the earth is flat or something.

I'm genuinely trying to cope with this and thinking if i can ever work with the guy again. I'd not so sure i can cope with being sat next to a MAGA hat-wearin' person, i find it genuinely distressing and have been considering if i should bring up the "no politics in the office" rule.

He is otherwise reasonable, he's against Brexit so he's got *some* understanding of reality. Maybe i should just buy him a hat and accept him as he is.

"I can't believe that everyone doesn't agree with my point of view!"

Politics isn't simple. People differ in many ways, thoughts, issues, etc...

 

[hal2kilo]

yeah, that makes no sense. Sounds like the guy has the potential to be a reasonable person if, at least, he sourced his US news from the non-crazy spots.

Just don't do politics at work, period. He's your boss and you need the job, right? Nothing good can come from workplace antagonistic politics/religion discussions.

Thus we are here.

 

[DigDog]

Ok well, a couple of things i need to say seeing the replies here.

First .. he's otherwise normal. he's fairly smart and we've chatted on other occasions, i really was taking a liking to him. It actually made my brain think "what if im wrong" for a second.
(you know, like every good scientist should)

And it's not really different opinions on politics. Im not a pure left-wing and i don't love Clinton, and while i thought Obama was cool i would likely have voted Giuliani. So im kinda middle-ground conservative. I think gays should marry but i really don't like SJWs. Im with Ben Shapiro when it comes to gender issues, and if a gay couple grosses you out you're totally free to not bake them a cake.

Im ok with people of different opinion. Mostly. It's really been a case of really poor representation by the right during the last 20 years, but otherwise i see myself as a conservative.

I do not condone Trump. I do not accept that anyone can like Trump and be a reasonable person at the same time, just like i don't accept that someone can claim the earth is flat and then trust them to do anything that requires responsibility. Trump is just such a sack of shit that eery president before pales in comparison. Richard Nixon, nice guy. Reagan, great dude, really showed the russians. George W Bush, NOT THAT BAD, if compared to Trump.

If you swallow the bullshit that comes out of Fox Media, i cannot trust you.

besides, this guy is a brit. How the fuck did he ever get so deep in the hole. I mean, truck driving possum-eatin rednecks ok, but we have the BBC, and he's otherwise fairly well educated.

Anyway, i did go to work today, pretended it didnt happen, spoke to him about work, everything's fine.

yes i need the job.