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Is there such a thing as an American company anymore?

slash196

Golden Member
It seems in this age of globalization that our economic thinking is a few steps behind of the reality. When multinational companies post record profits politicians take it as a sign of a booming economy. But when no Americans are being paid to produce the products sold in America, it's a net loss for the American economy. So the question becomes, what have the "American" corporations done for America lately? They set up tax shelters, screwing the government out of billions of dollars in revenue, while creating no wealth in America, instead choosing to exploit the undeveloped labor laws of satellite countries, while collecting billions more from taxpayers in corporate welfare. I don't see a single thing in that equation that creates GDP for America. Why are we bending over backwards for these ingrates?

It seems to me like America has been screwed by the companies that once made her the most powerful country in the world. The question is, what is she (we) going to do about it?
 
Quit supporting them when you have American options. For example, Stanley tools moved their corporation to Bermuda (I think) so they could escape paying American taxes...Still have some manufacturing here, and of course, we are their #1 market, they just don't want to support the country that built their company...so, I refuse to buy ANYTHING made by Stanley. Many other similar situations as well. If you REALLY care, there are almost always options...(except, it appears, electronics) I go out of my way NOT to buy anything Made in China...it's tough sometimes, and impossible other times, but when I have options, I pay a bit more and support America first, free countries 2nd...
Fvck China...
 
Times change, we live in a reality of global trade unlike hardly anyone envisioned.

There are still tons of "American" (by your definition even) companies.
 
Well thats fine for my personal peace of mind but I doubt losing one customer is going to send much of a message, and there will always be people who put money over their soul. At the very least we need some sort of system to stop all these off-shore tax shelters.

The funny thing is, these companies are killing the economy, but are trading like hotcakes on the street, so most people just look at the Dow and assume the economy is fine. It seems difficult for people to separate the success of individual companies and the success of the market as a whole (which is why you hear screams of horror from the right whenever you try to so much as lay a finger on big business).
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Times change, we live in a reality of global trade unlike hardly anyone envisioned.

There are still tons of "American" (by your definition even) companies.

"Times change" is not a solution, it's an explanation, actually more of an excuse. The simple fact is that the US government is scratching the backs of multinationals and getting no scratching in return (except for huge campaign contributions and bribes).
 
Originally posted by: slash196
Originally posted by: K1052
Times change, we live in a reality of global trade unlike hardly anyone envisioned.

There are still tons of "American" (by your definition even) companies.

"Times change" is not a solution, it's an explanation, actually more of an excuse. The simple fact is that the US government is scratching the backs of multinationals and getting no scratching in return (except for huge campaign contributions and bribes).

That assumes there is a "solution" to this. I think more governemnt interference in trade will only be harmful and make us unable to compete globally, which is a requirement for many industries.
 
Nice try, you are attempting to discount globalization, tax incentives, trade, wealth, revenues, gdp, corporate relations in one half-assed lame brained paragraph...congratulations!

First off, globalization is merely the integration of many economies allowing countries to focus on their strengths. Much like we do in our everyday lives, you trade your goods and services for the goods and services of other professionals. Why should I grow food, assemble a car when my specialization is education; trade is defined as a mutually beneficial relationship. Most of the best economic growth and wealth generation have occured as trade barriers have been reduced and/or eliminated.

Outsourcing is a mere extension of globalization, except the labour prices are far more exaggerated than they were with Canadian and even Mexican trade. I am a firm supporter of outsourcing when it is financially viable as not only does it offer reduced costs for our consumers, the vast majority of profits remain within our borders, and third world nations have the ability to raise their standard of living. The key to this sentance is "financially viable", meaning once you consider costs of transport, storage on both sides of the pacific, spoilage, reduced lead times, costs of closing up shop in North America; the product still has a significant price advantage.

Corporations are in business to serve their customers and nothing more; this means if the consumer demands the absolute lowest price, this is what the corporations strive for. Similarly if the consumer demands a quality or specialty product, they are less concerned with the cost and companies are less threatened by competition and will continue to pay the higher rates of pay. I'm not saying the consumer is wrong in this mindset, they have every right to the least expensive products the world has to offer. It has been shown time after time, consumers when given the choice between american made expensive item vs. china made inexpensive item, the chinese object usually wins. Fault of the corporation? I think not.

The tax incentives made by the government is merely a result of two things; tax rates that are too high and handouts by politicans who were elected on the backs of corporate interests. You are right, America should not be bending over backwards for corporations, it is not the government's place to get involved in business unless a company has prevented a natural market from existing.(ie. monopoly) As long as the company is serving the requirements set forth by the consumer; labour and environmental regulations are met, they are not doing anything wrong and should not be looked at in such a bad light.

What is happening overseas is truely great, people with little or nothing to offer the world are working, putting food on the table, learning skills they would have never experienced, and at the same time getting a taste of freedom, capitalism and wealth. As these people make these products, they will work extra hours and try their absolute hardest to one day afford the luxuries of the western world. We see it everyday in China, people are buying cellphones, cars, etc. Are their labour and environmental laws as strict as ours? No. But we are by no means good either and we have lived through the progression asia is currently going through; child labour and factory conditions. With time they will understand the benefits of a healthy population and their people will demand the same rights of the west; this will take time, just as we did years ago. People expect a 3rd world country to instantly develop into an upstanding 1st world nation overnight not understanding the poeple will choose the rights and freedoms they want and this tends to follow in the steps of wealth generation.

One thing one must realize when considering the manufacturing sector is the ideal number of jobs is zero. With the progression of technology and efficiency, it no longer requires the labour content it once did; the net result will be zero manufacturing jobs. Cocacola, a company who produces all American products domestically has a dark factory in Texas, it never turns on the lights as it runs itself. This is where manufacturing is headed; very few people are actually supported by this facility. Does it matter if this is done overseas or domestically? Of course not. This has happened in the agriculture sector as well where many people farmed in the past, but as of late there have been very few farmers. Human nature is to strive towards efficiency and reduced costs through innovation or alternative methods. Personally when it comes to manufacuring, I would much rather see the 3rd world utilize what they have to offer the rest of the world (labour) than us selfishly attempting to keep the minimal jobs domesitically (progression of manufacturing).

I've always wondered why people fear a service based economy, i mean the vast majority of jobs are already in this sector, they are all high paying and respectable jobs; just because we have less button pushers doesn't mean the economy is any worse off. Examples of sectors considered "Service" are: Healthcare/Hospitals, Insurance, Government, Tourism, Banking, Retail, Education, Franchising, Restaurants, Entertainment, News media, Leisure industry / hotels, Consulting, Transport, Utilities, Infrastructure, Wholesaling. Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Accountants are all respectable positions and now form the backbone of the eoncomy; and I am not ashamed of this.

Fact of the matter is, the US GDP is growing in part because all areas of the economy are more efficient, American investments are doing well, people are educated, and population continues to grow. It is still the wealthiest nations in the world after decades of fewer trade barriers, and outsourcing/globalization. The American people are able to afford more products and services than they have been in the past, and even if blue collar manufcaturing work is on the decline (either through outsourcing or the natural progression of humankind) the American people will continue to get cheap products, and corporations who still have administrative offices, warehousing operations, not to mention all the service sectors out there...will give profits to the rich who in turn buy luxury items manufactured domestically and will invest profits into the economy. The wealth distrobution will continue as there is a wide range of skills, abilities and education.
 
Totally!

I'm learning to make speakers, and hope to sell them.

I'm buying the parts from either a store in town, or a guy in Oregon.

I recieve no tax benifits/incentives. (Actually, I've yet to make enough to be taxed.)

I might be buying some Chinese-made PCBs, though. Etching is a pain in the kiester.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Quit supporting them when you have American options. For example, Stanley tools moved their corporation to Bermuda (I think) so they could escape paying American taxes...Still have some manufacturing here, and of course, we are their #1 market, they just don't want to support the country that built their company...so, I refuse to buy ANYTHING made by Stanley. Many other similar situations as well. If you REALLY care, there are almost always options...(except, it appears, electronics) I go out of my way NOT to buy anything Made in China...it's tough sometimes, and impossible other times, but when I have options, I pay a bit more and support America first, free countries 2nd...
Fvck China...

Their booming economy is what is making China move so fast towards a western, capitalist economy. So in fact by refusing to buy their products you are supporting communism 😛
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Nice try, you are attempting to discount globalization, tax incentives, trade, wealth, revenues, gdp, corporate relations in one half-assed lame brained paragraph...congratulations!

First off, globalization is merely the integration of many economies allowing countries to focus on their strengths. Much like we do in our everyday lives, you trade your goods and services for the goods and services of other professionals. Why should I grow food, assemble a car when my specialization is education; trade is defined as a mutually beneficial relationship. Most of the best economic growth and wealth generation have occured as trade barriers have been reduced and/or eliminated.

Outsourcing is a mere extension of globalization, except the labour prices are far more exaggerated than they were with Canadian and even Mexican trade. I am a firm supporter of outsourcing when it is financially viable as not only does it offer reduced costs for our consumers, the vast majority of profits remain within our borders, and third world nations have the ability to raise their standard of living. The key to this sentance is "financially viable", meaning once you consider costs of transport, storage on both sides of the pacific, spoilage, reduced lead times, costs of closing up shop in North America; the product still has a significant price advantage.

Corporations are in business to serve their customers and nothing more; this means if the consumer demands the absolute lowest price, this is what the corporations strive for. Similarly if the consumer demands a quality or specialty product, they are less concerned with the cost and companies are less threatened by competition and will continue to pay the higher rates of pay. I'm not saying the consumer is wrong in this mindset, they have every right to the least expensive products the world has to offer. It has been shown time after time, consumers when given the choice between american made expensive item vs. china made inexpensive item, the chinese object usually wins. Fault of the corporation? I think not.

The tax incentives made by the government is merely a result of two things; tax rates that are too high and handouts by politicans who were elected on the backs of corporate interests. You are right, America should not be bending over backwards for corporations, it is not the government's place to get involved in business unless a company has prevented a natural market from existing.(ie. monopoly) As long as the company is serving the requirements set forth by the consumer; labour and environmental regulations are met, they are not doing anything wrong and should not be looked at in such a bad light.

What is happening overseas is truely great, people with little or nothing to offer the world are working, putting food on the table, learning skills they would have never experienced, and at the same time getting a taste of freedom, capitalism and wealth. As these people make these products, they will work extra hours and try their absolute hardest to one day afford the luxuries of the western world. We see it everyday in China, people are buying cellphones, cars, etc. Are their labour and environmental laws as strict as ours? No. But we are by no means good either and we have lived through the progression asia is currently going through; child labour and factory conditions. With time they will understand the benefits of a healthy population and their people will demand the same rights of the west; this will take time, just as we did years ago. People expect a 3rd world country to instantly develop into an upstanding 1st world nation overnight not understanding the poeple will choose the rights and freedoms they want and this tends to follow in the steps of wealth generation.

One thing one must realize when considering the manufacturing sector is the ideal number of jobs is zero. With the progression of technology and efficiency, it no longer requires the labour content it once did; the net result will be zero manufacturing jobs. Cocacola, a company who produces all American products domestically has a dark factory in Texas, it never turns on the lights as it runs itself. This is where manufacturing is headed; very few people are actually supported by this facility. Does it matter if this is done overseas or domestically? Of course not. This has happened in the agriculture sector as well where many people farmed in the past, but as of late there have been very few farmers. Human nature is to strive towards efficiency and reduced costs through innovation or alternative methods. Personally when it comes to manufacuring, I would much rather see the 3rd world utilize what they have to offer the rest of the world (labour) than us selfishly attempting to keep the minimal jobs domesitically (progression of manufacturing).

I've always wondered why people fear a service based economy, i mean the vast majority of jobs are already in this sector, they are all high paying and respectable jobs; just because we have less button pushers doesn't mean the economy is any worse off. Examples of sectors considered "Service" are: Healthcare/Hospitals, Insurance, Government, Tourism, Banking, Retail, Education, Franchising, Restaurants, Entertainment, News media, Leisure industry / hotels, Consulting, Transport, Utilities, Infrastructure, Wholesaling. Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Accountants are all respectable positions and now form the backbone of the eoncomy; and I am not ashamed of this.

Fact of the matter is, the US GDP is growing in part because all areas of the economy are more efficient, American investments are doing well, people are educated, and population continues to grow. It is still the wealthiest nations in the world after decades of fewer trade barriers, and outsourcing/globalization. The American people are able to afford more products and services than they have been in the past, and even if blue collar manufcaturing work is on the decline (either through outsourcing or the natural progression of humankind) the American people will continue to get cheap products, and corporations who still have administrative offices, warehousing operations, not to mention all the service sectors out there...will give profits to the rich who in turn buy luxury items manufactured domestically and will invest profits into the economy. The wealth distrobution will continue as there is a wide range of skills, abilities and education.

This whole post makes me physically ill. As if spreading the gospel of consumerism was actually a positive thing!

This is nothing more than trickle-down economics on a global scale. The current American corporate climate is "anything for a buck". We should not be prepared to sacrifice our ethical, moral, or any other standards in pursuit of wealth. Companies can actually do good in this world and still make a profit, many do so, but many more still simply exploit the poor to their own gain. Just because you've been insulated from poverty by a comfortable capitalist existence, doesn't mean it isn't a brutal reality for millions of HUMANS around the world. You may not see their faces, you may not hear their stories, but you share in the responsibility of their suffering. As do we all. The only difference is, I see the problem and am willing to change. You see no problem and wouldn't change even if you did.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Quit supporting them when you have American options. For example, Stanley tools moved their corporation to Bermuda (I think) so they could escape paying American taxes...Still have some manufacturing here, and of course, we are their #1 market, they just don't want to support the country that built their company...so, I refuse to buy ANYTHING made by Stanley. Many other similar situations as well. If you REALLY care, there are almost always options...(except, it appears, electronics) I go out of my way NOT to buy anything Made in China...it's tough sometimes, and impossible other times, but when I have options, I pay a bit more and support America first, free countries 2nd...
Fvck China...

This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).
 
Originally posted by: slash196
Originally posted by: K1052
Times change, we live in a reality of global trade unlike hardly anyone envisioned.

There are still tons of "American" (by your definition even) companies.

"Times change" is not a solution, it's an explanation, actually more of an excuse. The simple fact is that the US government is scratching the backs of multinationals and getting no scratching in return (except for huge campaign contributions and bribes).

And hundreds of billions of tax dollars...
 
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Quit supporting them when you have American options. For example, Stanley tools moved their corporation to Bermuda (I think) so they could escape paying American taxes...Still have some manufacturing here, and of course, we are their #1 market, they just don't want to support the country that built their company...so, I refuse to buy ANYTHING made by Stanley. Many other similar situations as well. If you REALLY care, there are almost always options...(except, it appears, electronics) I go out of my way NOT to buy anything Made in China...it's tough sometimes, and impossible other times, but when I have options, I pay a bit more and support America first, free countries 2nd...
Fvck China...

Their booming economy is what is making China move so fast towards a western, capitalist economy. So in fact by refusing to buy their products you are supporting communism 😛



That's possibly the most ridiculous things I've heard here in quite a while...do you REALLY belive the communists are going to relinquist total control and allow the country to become western capitalist? ROFL!! How idealistic your world must be...they'll allow just enough to keep the masses happy, no more. Remember Tianamen square? If things get too out of hand, they will crack down hard again.


Originally posted by: slash196

This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).


And what do you consider "GOOD" automobiles? Hondas? Kias? Maybe Subarus? LOL! You fanbois can have your little ricerockets...
 
Originally posted by: slash196
This whole post makes me physically ill. As if spreading the gospel of consumerism was actually a positive thing!

This is nothing more than trickle-down economics on a global scale. The current American corporate climate is "anything for a buck". We should not be prepared to sacrifice our ethical, moral, or any other standards in pursuit of wealth. Companies can actually do good in this world and still make a profit, many do so, but many more still simply exploit the poor to their own gain. Just because you've been insulated from poverty by a comfortable capitalist existence, doesn't mean it isn't a brutal reality for millions of HUMANS around the world. You may not see their faces, you may not hear their stories, but you share in the responsibility of their suffering. As do we all. The only difference is, I see the problem and am willing to change. You see no problem and wouldn't change even if you did.
Sorry to hear of your illness...I would have guessed mentally ill, but I am no doctor...

Consumerism is the definition of democracy, do you realize how many customer trials take place for every given product? Every single object developed for production will be 'voted on' with people's wallets, the consumer will decide what he or she values in a product. The ability for the consumer to have a choice of several products is democracy in itself; do some people live beyond their means? Sure, but that's their choice and institutions are willing to take on the associated risks.

The ethics, morals and other standards are determined by the consumer and should be regulated by the government based on the will of the people. Most of the problems with companies do not stem from their ethics but the ethics of politicians who have the power to bend laws and create unfair monopolisitic conditions.

You now start ranting about all these unseen poor around the world. The number one wealth generator in the 3rd world is outsourcing; this has been the number one economic driver for India, China and the like. Their wealth is accelerating and I think it is nothing but amazing to see people progress towards wealth. Unfortunately people like you don't care about helping the poor, you are more preoccupied by the nationality and colour of people's skin. Where people are from should not matter, they should be judged on their will and ability, nothing more. If there's someone in China willing to work their ass off to provide for their family...so be it; I'd be happy to give him the means to bring himself out of poverty as long as it's "financial viable" for us. A mutually beneficial trade can take place.

It is quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: slash196
This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).
And what do you consider "GOOD" automobiles? Hondas? Kias? Maybe Subarus? LOL! You fanbois can have your little ricerockets...
The domestics have a competitive product; they didn't in the 90's where the quality of the Japanese automakers was nothing but exceptional. The quality playing field has now been somewhat leveled and now quality concerns now float model to model not make to make. The problem with the big 3 is they have not shaken the mindsets of the last decade and will continue to fight to get that respect back.

Unforunately with all the legacy costs and labour content within each vehicle, the big 3 are no long able to bundle the same accessories and features the other manufacturers can offer. Also stong union contracts of the past gave little incentive for big 3 plants to automate and invest in consolidation, flexline oportunities. Until we see some significant headway in union concessions, the Big 3 will continue their slide of markshare.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Sorry to hear of your illness...I would have guessed mentally ill, but I am no doctor...

Consumerism is the definition of democracy, do you realize how many customer trials take place for every given product? Every single object developed for production will be 'voted on' with people's wallets, the consumer will decide what he or she values in a product. The ability for the consumer to have a choice of several products is democracy in itself; do some people live beyond their means? Sure, but that's their choice and institutions are willing to take on the associated risks.

The ethics, morals and other standards are determined by the consumer and should be regulated by the government based on the will of the people. Most of the problems with companies do not stem from their ethics but the ethics of politicians who have the power to bend laws and create unfair monopolisitic conditions.

You now start ranting about all these unseen poor around the world. The number one wealth generator in the 3rd world is outsourcing; this has been the number one economic driver for India, China and the like. Their wealth is accelerating and I think it is nothing but amazing to see people progress towards wealth. Unfortunately people like you don't care about helping the poor, you are more preoccupied by the nationality and colour of people's skin. Where people are from should not matter, they should be judged on their will and ability, nothing more. If there's someone in China willing to work their ass off to provide for their family...so be it; I'd be happy to give him the means to bring himself out of poverty as long as it's "financial viable" for us. A mutually beneficial trade can take place.

It is quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
Dubya, how much did you have to pay, to get that young kid to let you use his picture? We all realize that it's you, since you're not only saying exactly what every other member of the Bushie clan says, but also because none of it makes any sense whatsoever. Although, I must admit, you do "speak" quite a bit better with your fingers than you do with your lips.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Quit supporting them when you have American options. For example, Stanley tools moved their corporation to Bermuda (I think) so they could escape paying American taxes...Still have some manufacturing here, and of course, we are their #1 market, they just don't want to support the country that built their company...so, I refuse to buy ANYTHING made by Stanley. Many other similar situations as well. If you REALLY care, there are almost always options...(except, it appears, electronics) I go out of my way NOT to buy anything Made in China...it's tough sometimes, and impossible other times, but when I have options, I pay a bit more and support America first, free countries 2nd...
Fvck China...

Their booming economy is what is making China move so fast towards a western, capitalist economy. So in fact by refusing to buy their products you are supporting communism 😛



That's possibly the most ridiculous things I've heard here in quite a while...do you REALLY belive the communists are going to relinquist total control and allow the country to become western capitalist? ROFL!! How idealistic your world must be...they'll allow just enough to keep the masses happy, no more. Remember Tianamen square? If things get too out of hand, they will crack down hard again.


Originally posted by: slash196

This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).


And what do you consider "GOOD" automobiles? Hondas? Kias? Maybe Subarus? LOL! You fanbois can have your little ricerockets...

China is now a Communist/Oligarchical system, the wealth is being concentrated in the hands of a very few, while the vast majority of its citizens are poor, third world poor and work as slaves to make Ipods and all the other crap that makes our lives more comfortable.

BoomerD - you obviously know nothing about cars, Honda's and Subaru's(and Toyota) make much better cars than any American company. There isn't a single American car that I would even consider buying, you are getting less car for your money, period. Calling other people fanbois is a pot/kettle situation for you, you just don't know what you are talking about, and your opinion makes it glaringly obvious.

Check the reliability ratings and resale values for some automobiles and get back to us.

Kia's are different, they are Korean, and still not up to par with the Japanese but they are getting there. Maybe in another 10 years.
 
Originally posted by: slash196
This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).

The bastards just asked the U.S. to bail them out to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.

They better not give them a penny.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: slash196
This is also tough when American companies make sh!t products (see: the big 3 automakers).
And what do you consider "GOOD" automobiles? Hondas? Kias? Maybe Subarus? LOL! You fanbois can have your little ricerockets...
The domestics have a competitive product; they didn't in the 90's where the quality of the Japanese automakers was nothing but exceptional. The quality playing field has now been somewhat leveled and now quality concerns now float model to model not make to make. The problem with the big 3 is they have not shaken the mindsets of the last decade and will continue to fight to get that respect back.

Unforunately with all the legacy costs and labour content within each vehicle, the big 3 are no long able to bundle the same accessories and features the other manufacturers can offer. Also stong union contracts of the past gave little incentive for big 3 plants to automate and invest in consolidation, flexline oportunities. Until we see some significant headway in union concessions, the Big 3 will continue their slide of markshare.


There is no way the american worker can compete with labor who live in countries where the cost is living is 1/10 of what it is here. We need a level playing field.

The big three is in trouble because they don't design/engineeer their products as well as other companies. Look at the Japanese car companies with factories in this country. They charge more for their finished product using the same labor.

The unions already gave big consessions to managment back in the Regan days and now they are in trouble again. Now here comes management to blame labor, again. They should address out their own problems/shortcomings, instead of pointing fingers. Then they can come ask for sonsessions, but they better be willing to make their own consessions at the same time.


 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Nice try, you are attempting to discount globalization, tax incentives, trade, wealth, revenues, gdp, corporate relations in one half-assed lame brained paragraph...congratulations!

First off, globalization is merely the integration of many economies allowing countries to focus on their strengths. Much like we do in our everyday lives, you trade your goods and services for the goods and services of other professionals. Why should I grow food, assemble a car when my specialization is education; trade is defined as a mutually beneficial relationship. Most of the best economic growth and wealth generation have occured as trade barriers have been reduced and/or eliminated.
Way to oversimplify in order to avoid the underlying problems inherent in globalization. If it were as simple as "we can't produce it here so let's offshore it to a country that can" your argument might have some merit, but we all know that isn't true.

Outsourcing is a mere extension of globalization, except the labour prices are far more exaggerated than they were with Canadian and even Mexican trade. I am a firm supporter of outsourcing when it is financially viable as not only does it offer reduced costs for our consumers, the vast majority of profits remain within our borders, and third world nations have the ability to raise their standard of living. The key to this sentance is "financially viable", meaning once you consider costs of transport, storage on both sides of the pacific, spoilage, reduced lead times, costs of closing up shop in North America; the product still has a significant price advantage.
While it is possibly true that most of the profits stay within our borders, they'll usually end up in the coffers of the stockholders and the rich rather than being spent in the US to improve our economy.
I, myself, have a huge problem with overdependence on foreign-made goods driving our economy. You are building a house of cards that can come crashing down with the first change in the politcal wind.

Corporations are in business to serve their customers and nothing more;
This line is so outrageous that I had to separate it from the rest of the paragraph. Corporations are slaves to their owners/stockholders. If they can get away with screwing the customer, they have no qualms about doing so. Luckily, consumer protection groups are making this harder to do, but the mere existence of such groups completely negates your assumption. Serving customers is just a means to an end.

this means if the consumer demands the absolute lowest price, this is what the corporations strive for. Similarly if the consumer demands a quality or specialty product, they are less concerned with the cost and companies are less threatened by competition and will continue to pay the higher rates of pay. I'm not saying the consumer is wrong in this mindset, they have every right to the least expensive products the world has to offer. It has been shown time after time, consumers when given the choice between american made expensive item vs. china made inexpensive item, the chinese object usually wins. Fault of the corporation? I think not.
As if you have never heard of, or know the implications of the "tragedy of the commons." It's a viscious cycle that will only end once we have gilded age economics.

The tax incentives made by the government is merely a result of two things; tax rates that are too high and handouts by politicans who were elected on the backs of corporate interests.
No. Tax incentives are created by corporations taking advantage of imbalances by pitting localities against each other. It's a race to the bottom.

You are right, America should not be bending over backwards for corporations, it is not the government's place to get involved in business unless a company has prevented a natural market from existing.(ie. monopoly) As long as the company is serving the requirements set forth by the consumer; labour and environmental regulations are met, they are not doing anything wrong and should not be looked at in such a bad light.
By its mere existence, a government is already involved in businesses. It creates the atmosphere which allows businesses to operate in the first place.

What is happening overseas is truely great, people with little or nothing to offer the world are working, putting food on the table, learning skills they would have never experienced, and at the same time getting a taste of freedom, capitalism and wealth. As these people make these products, they will work extra hours and try their absolute hardest to one day afford the luxuries of the western world. We see it everyday in China, people are buying cellphones, cars, etc. Are their labour and environmental laws as strict as ours? No. But we are by no means good either and we have lived through the progression asia is currently going through; child labour and factory conditions. With time they will understand the benefits of a healthy population and their people will demand the same rights of the west; this will take time, just as we did years ago. People expect a 3rd world country to instantly develop into an upstanding 1st world nation overnight not understanding the poeple will choose the rights and freedoms they want and this tends to follow in the steps of wealth generation.
All of this could just as easily happen without the need to leech off of our economy.

One thing one must realize when considering the manufacturing sector is the ideal number of jobs is zero. With the progression of technology and efficiency, it no longer requires the labour content it once did; the net result will be zero manufacturing jobs. Cocacola, a company who produces all American products domestically has a dark factory in Texas, it never turns on the lights as it runs itself. This is where manufacturing is headed; very few people are actually supported by this facility. Does it matter if this is done overseas or domestically? Of course not. This has happened in the agriculture sector as well where many people farmed in the past, but as of late there have been very few farmers. Human nature is to strive towards efficiency and reduced costs through innovation or alternative methods. Personally when it comes to manufacuring, I would much rather see the 3rd world utilize what they have to offer the rest of the world (labour) than us selfishly attempting to keep the minimal jobs domesitically (progression of manufacturing).
You start off this paragraph with this lofty goal, which I completely agree with (excluding the Terminator-esque vision of the future). However, you then do an about-face and say that it's better to outsource than to strive for the ultimate goal. By allowing outsourcing, you remove nearly all of the incentive to work towards efficiency/automation. Also, by moving overseas, ancillary jobs (maintainence, r&d, etc.) also move overseas.

I've always wondered why people fear a service based economy, i mean the vast majority of jobs are already in this sector, they are all high paying and respectable jobs; just because we have less button pushers doesn't mean the economy is any worse off. Examples of sectors considered "Service" are: Healthcare/Hospitals, Insurance, Government, Tourism, Banking, Retail, Education, Franchising, Restaurants, Entertainment, News media, Leisure industry / hotels, Consulting, Transport, Utilities, Infrastructure, Wholesaling. Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Accountants are all respectable positions and now form the backbone of the eoncomy; and I am not ashamed of this.
It's not that there is anything inherently wrong with service-based jobs. It's just that these jobs are relying too heavily on the output of other countries. See my wrap-up below for more on this.

Fact of the matter is, the US GDP is growing in part because all areas of the economy are more efficient,
cheaper!=more efficient
American investments are doing well
if you can afford to invest
people are educated
By what standard? Overall, the US certainly doesn't have the best educational track record.
population continues to grow.
How is this a good thing?!? As the population grows, resources are stretch thinner and thinner.
It is still the wealthiest nations in the world after decades of fewer trade barriers, and outsourcing/globalization. The American people are able to afford more products and services than they have been in the past
Speak for yourself. I may be able to afford different products and services from what my parents had, but the number is not increasing.
and even if blue collar manufcaturing work is on the decline (either through outsourcing or the natural progression of humankind) the American people will continue to get cheap products
until they can no longer afford them
and corporations who still have administrative offices
which can also be outsourced
warehousing operations
More money for the land owners FTW!
not to mention all the service sectors out there
which, again, have foundations on shaky grounds
will give profits to the rich who in turn buy luxury items manufactured domestically
For now and built from parts made overseas.
and will invest profits into the economy.
of China, South America, etc.
The wealth distrobution will continue as there is a wide range of skills, abilities and education.
and that wealth distribution is a bit top-heavy to be considered healthy.

Let's take the model of offshoring down the road a century or two:
Workers that are currently working for peanuts can eventually begin to afford the products that they manufacture. Due to limited resources, these products become available less and less to Americans as the Chinese buy them all up. Inflation in the US goes out of control as products become more and more expensive and, since they are manufactured outside of our borders, there is nothing that we can really do to stop it.

Now it's your turn. What protections do we currently have in place that will prevent this grim forecast from coming true?
 
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