Is there really no match for Integra Type R?? anyone?

[MustangSVT]

well my friend is into cars and i hate how he keeps on telling me about that cars i like are "has bad handling" "only in straight line" "bad engine" blah blah. He does know alot about cars i guess. He has Integra 99 GS-R coupe. and keeps on telling me Type R is best for its price range.

He showed me why TypeR was so superior to others. It has double wishbone suspension. And engine has redline at 8400-rpm !.

Now, my cars of choices were MustangSVT (2k model) and MustangGT. it did have more hp but the car is also heavier and doesnt have double wishbone suspension which is the best for traction. And the Rpm peaks at much lower level then TypeR producing more torque but bigger engine size to keep up the power which messes up the balance or makes the car heavy. Damn but i love the new design!!! just so good looking!

is that true? is there really no challenge? please dont post if u dont know what you are talking about. I'm not looking for posts like, "(insert car name here) can kick it's ass!". But rather some explanation on any car that can beat TypeR for its performance/price.

Edit note- my previous troque comments were wrong )

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< Is there really no match for Integra Type R?? >>

ask Lozer

 

[Sephiroth_IX]

The Honda S2000 would spank it all around the track. The S2000 has 50/50 weight distribution, a 9300 redline VTEC, and 240 horsepower. It is lacking on torque, but overall it would flatten that Type R.

A S2000 is $30000, how much is a type r?

 

[SuperGroove]

don't you know yet? Lozer is fake.

AAAAnyways...how much can you get a brand spankin new Type-R for, including Dealer mark up? Wha...$28,000? Anyways...let's see how well it stacks up against the SVT Cobra and Camaro Z28 SS at the racetrack...pure brute speed, and grip...with mild understeer...you're sure to beat any Type-R.

Handling wise though...like SCCA stuffs...man the Type-R will kick some serious ass...well not comapred to a VR6 Corrado The Type-R=poor torque.

Paul

 

[Zucchini]

It seems pretty good for its price range, but probably best to wait a year or two. Current integra design is really growing long in the tooth. Hondas' gonna dump it soon.

 

[AlphaIVT]

MustangSVT, your name is reminiscent of mines IMO

Yeah, Lozer is fake, he made up a load of BS

 

[MustangSVT]

god damn! i want to show my friend how good mustang SVT is!!! I have beaten him on INtegra TypeR with Mustang SVT !!! on every track of GT2! but he says it's just cause i am better at that game!!
anyone have Mustang SVT and IntegraTypeR that i can borrow? ill return it in top shape!. anyways yes S2000 did kick TypeR's ass. I've seen this tv show in japan where they race those sports cars on real tracks. they showed that Civic typeR actually has better handling then Integra TypeR. And on that show they showed those top japanese cars like Evo-6 and Sky liner. But guess what, porsche carrara and Ferrari Spider they raced were so freakin fast! i was so amazed! even against NSX and TypeR and other cars they had, Ferrari out accererated them and out cornered them even at 100kmh speeds! damn those cars are nice.. ....

 

[lupin]

Integra Type R is a very good car, very competitive on Sports car racing.

but that doesn't mean that the Integra is a better car than the Mustang.

I would say that they're about equal. If your friend says that Type R is best for its price range, beating a mustang, I'd say he probably doesn't know what he's talking about.

The Mustang is a very good car for the money.



<< But guess what, porsche carrara and Ferrari Spider they raced were so freakin fast! i was so amazed! even against NSX and TypeR and other cars they had, Ferrari out accererated them and out cornered them even at 100kmh speeds! damn those cars are nice.. .... >>



Yep, I'd say that Ferrari is the most balanced car out there. The 355 and the 360 are amazing cars on the track.

 

[MustangSVT]

dang.. i told u i wanted some explanations. i really want to know if there are out performing cars. only if ford made cars with better suspension.. dang

 

[Imported]

Wish they'd bring the Nissan Silvia here from Japan. Sport Compact Car did a test of the best cars for under $30k, and the Silvia beat each stock car except at one test, where it tied the Miata on the skidpad, in it's stock trim. Against tuned cars, it also bested each except two on the skipad, a tuned Miata and a tuned A4 Avant. Around the same price range of the Type-R and it kicks serious ass. I wouldn't be suprised if it ran circles around the S2000 either.

The cars that were tested were a Civic Si, Prelude SH, Integra Type-R, Celica GT-S, A4 1.8T Quattro, Impreza 2.5RS, Focus ZX3, and Miata. Each also had a tuned model also.

 

[atom]

TypeR's are nice cars. Not many cars with a MSRP of 25k can match it's handling, even with mods. I don't think it's fair to compare a S2000 to a Type-R. With the 30k I would have to use to get a stock S2000 I could buy a Type-R, get a turbocharger kit and be doing 300 HP. I think it's more about how it feels than what the numbers will tell you. I feel comfortable taking turns in my friends Type-R but I always feel hesitant taking a hard turn in my other friends supercharged Mustang GT. The Mustang will win, but I just don't feel as confident in it for some reason.

Your friend must be smoking some good crack to think it has a lot of torque though. All honda 4 bangers have extremely poor torque, even honda freaks will admit that.

 

[MustangSVT]

atom atom. !!! u sound like u know what u know..(redundent?) anyway! so is there no match for TypeR? is Mustang that bad?

 

[NFS4]

A Celica GTS with a TRD pacakge would eat it up

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< Lozer is fake. >>


NO SHIT



ever heard of SARCASM ? !













dumb shits

 

[AlphaIVT]

shit

 

[NFS4]

LOL, you guys are a riot!

 

[jhu]

fecal matter of a male bovine

 

[lupin]

<< dang.. i told u i wanted some explanations. i really want to know if there are out performing cars. >>



Geez, you should be happy that at least I'm am trying to answer your question.

See, I think the problem with most new japanese cars owners (notice the word &quot;most&quot out there is lack of knowledge. They think they can buy a family sedan like an accord, lowered it a little, slap some coffee can exhaust, and get a sports car out of it.

Now that they are factory prepared, race ready cars like the Type R, they would think that it's the best car out there.

 

[BCYL]

I think it actually depends on how to define a &quot;better&quot; car... what area are you looking at?

Like for example, the Type-R's strong point is in handling... it is basically a car built for road racing, while keeping reasonable street drivability. So I think comparing stock to stock, on a road course or SCCA races a Type-R is surely better than the Mustang...

But the Mustang is better for drag racing, so it can surely beat the Type-R in that area...

At this kind of price range, there's no one car that is the best in all areas... There's always a main focus, and for the Type-R it's road course handling, while for the Mustang it's straight line speed...

Notice I did not say the Mustang is a bad handling car at all... I am just saying the focus when Ford built the car was speed...

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Imported]

Don't know about the &quot;perfect&quot; car, but IMHO, The Nissan Silvia comes very close for it's price. 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds and a 1/4 mile time of 13.9 seconds, it's almost on par with the SVT Mustang while having better handling than a Type-R. Wish Nissan would bring it over here in it's Japan-spec.

 

[eia430]

mustangsvt, I'll do my best to give you possible answers....

The Integra Type-R is a good car and if you challenge it on certain areas it will be relatively unbeatable. One area is if the challenge is on specific output of the motor per liter of engine displacement, you just can't beat it there. The Type-R motor is an all out effort by a major car company to get the highest hp per liter engine into mass production. Most have said that this task was impossible (before honda showed how wrong that line of thought was).

If your question of superiority is between two cars one being the integra type R (99) and the Mustang Cobra SVT (2k) the answer is not clear cut. You would have to specify under what terms and what conditions. Without this I'll try to answer blindly.

Both cars have a VERY different approaches to performance. The Integra Type R is a short wheelbase car, front drive, high-reving small displacement motor, and is pretty light. The Mustang SVT Cobra has a longer wheelbase,rear drive, larger displacement motor and is not so light. If you were to compare the two on an autocross track (very tight and windy) I would place my bets on the Integra Type R. This kind of enviroment heavily favors shorter wheelbase lighter cars. If you were to road race I would place my bets on the Mustang SVT Cobra. Road race (on a race track) enviroment favors longer wheelbase cars wider tires and higher horsepower. On the drag strip I would place my bets on the Mustang. The larger displacement engine will give power sooner. The rear drive will be able to deal with the center of gravity shift (traction loss on front drivers)better than the integra. Over all I think the disadvantage of weight by the Cobra will be more than made up for by it's other advantages and will be faster down the quarter mile.

Having said that the all important aspect of &quot;winning&quot; is driver skill. The differences advantages/disadvantages of the two cars in different enviroments can be made up for by driver skill or lack of quite easily. A person that thinks he or she is going to win (on a track) and is basing that soley on the make and model of the car is going to in for a very rude awakening. They can regurgitate all the memorized magazine junk all they want, but if they don't have the skill to back it up they will lose. I suggest to pick a battle zone... look up a local SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) chapter and start autocrossing and road racing with them. Then when some chump comes along and says that his car is better just tell him to prove it on the track. Then just proceed on ripping him a new hole on the track. Just remember to make sure that your own skills are up to par. When you join your local SCCA chapter (quite cheap) there will be a LOT of people there that are willing to help you improve your driving skills. And doing it on a closed track (autocrossing is often done on BIG stadium parking lots, roadracing is usualy done on all out race tracks) makes sure that if you make a mistake AND YOU WILL, you won't kill yourself or anybody else. Good luck!

 

[eia430]

mustangsvt, there are lots of issues that I did not touch on for fear of a multi page post.... but ask away and I'll try to answer...

 

[Doodoo]

In some mag i read they did a review on the type r, celica, prelude, and an integra gs-r (i think). They said the type r edged out the celica slightly...so there should be better cars out there if it only edged out a celica. I drive a celica and its good and all...but theres gotta be better.

 

[MustangSVT]

First of all I thank all of ppl that replied to help me out. THANK YOU.
And i send Special Thanx to eia430, Atom and BCYL for such a descriptive explanation on their answers. They helped me understand them much better. As u can tell im a super Newbie on performance on cars. But i like to learn the facts with an open mind.

Anyone know a good website where they have very detailed description on cars and Vs feature? (like Mustang Vs. Integra) or such. I am really getting interested in this car performance things and would like to learn more. And someday register with SCAA to actually use my knowledge!
THANX again guys!

 

[perry]

Heh. Good luck finding a Y2k Cobra. No such car. With all the troubles they had in 99, the didn't make em this year. Only souped up Mustang to get this year from the factory is a Cobra R, and good luck getting one of those with only 300 or something made with a $50,000 price tag.

Given the choice, I'd take the snake. But I'm a Ford guy. Gimme a big honkin V8 with torque to spare. With the IRS on the Cobra now, it should handle plenty good enough on a road course. If it doesn't, the power under the hood will make up for it on the straights.