Many of the synthetics cannot be fully metabolized at all. Degradation products of LSD stay in the cerebrospinal fluid for the rest of your life. The standard tests will pick it up within 6 months or so... if use was infrequent... but if they do an ELISA, they can detect LSD usage many many years later.
Pot is illegal because any politician that actually proposed legalization (or tried to ease policies in that general direction) would make himself instantly unelectable. It's the same reason that our drug penalties remain outrageous. It's just the state of political discourse.
Why should pot be illegal? Well, it damages your body, and it impairs you while you are under its effect. (I'm not interested in getting into a debate over this, if you think that smoking pot is as healthy as drinking green tea, good for you.) For that matter, so does alcohol. So it becomes a philisohpical question; some people who use pot will unfortunatly violate other people's rights because of its influence. Others will use it in a manner that is safe and respectful to others.
If you support the legalization of Pot, you should also support the legalization of coke, crack, heroin, LSD, meth, X, and every home chemistry concoction imaginable.
By the same tolken, if you think pot should be illegal, then you should also be fighting to make alcohol, tobacco, and caffine illegal as well.
If forced to choose, I would put myself with the former group. I just don't believe that hordes of people would run out to 7-11 to get a pack of crack because now it's legal. And the downward effect on crime would be unbelieveable.
Why should pot be illegal? Well, it damages your body, and it impairs you while you are under its effect. (I'm not interested in getting into a debate over this, if you think that smoking pot is as healthy as drinking green tea, good for you.) For that matter, so does alcohol. So it becomes a philisohpical question; some people who use pot will unfortunatly violate other people's rights because of its influence. Others will use it in a manner that is safe and respectful to others.
If you support the legalization of Pot, you should also support the legalization of coke, crack, heroin, LSD, meth, X, and every home chemistry concoction imaginable.
By the same tolken, if you think pot should be illegal, then you should also be fighting to make alcohol, tobacco, and caffine illegal as well.
If forced to choose, I would put myself with the former group. I just don't believe that hordes of people would run out to 7-11 to get a pack of crack because now it's legal. And the downward effect on crime would be unbelieveable.
Yes, those are the logical extensions, are they not? We feel the need to be consistant; are respected when we are consistant. Quite hard to be in the real world though, especially for anyone with influence.
And think of it this way: 'Should' and 'should think' ..what if someone believes alcohol is that much more dangerous than caffeine? Their knowledge/ belief would alter their need for consistancy, as they wouldn't put alcohol in the same world as caffeine, much less on the same line.
Anyway, you can't be fully consistant all the time, and if you tried I'm quite certain your life would become quite funky.
Other than abusers, though that really pertains to any abusive behavior, there is really no point in regulating drugs. Other than revenue generated to "fight the drug war", and pharmaceutical companies being the sole source to manufacture and distribute drugs "legally". The reasons why politicians won't persue the ideas, they care more about electability than resolving serious social issues.
We do too do that with alcohol. It's just that alcohol has generally completely left your system within 48 hours to where it is undetectable while marijuana traces can remain in your system for much much longer. If you were drinking heavy Saturday night and you get up and try to drive home Sunday morning, you are still drunk and if you are stopped, you can still be arrested. I have seen it happen. Have you ever noticed how people who smoke a lot of pot have that "burn out" look about them and are generally somewhat slow on the uptake? It is because they don't realize it but the drug lingering in their system is still affecting them. They don't "feel" high because of their tolerance. But the drug is still there and it is readily apparent to people around them that they are a "burn out." On the whole though, I feel alcohol is a much more dangerous thing. But I really can't see why either one is legal. They should both be legal or niether should be. But it's just one of those hypocrisies of America.
Marijuana shouldn't necessarily be LEGAL but simple possession should be decriminalized.
1) Punish people for selling it without a license (just like alcohol).
2) Harshly punish people for selling it to children (well . . . that should be like alcohol . . . oh well).
3) Throw the book at people that commit crimes while under the influence (just like alcohol).
4) Allow private enterprises to regulate CURRENT use at their whims:
a) if your employer says no CURRENT use or you lose your job . . . give up the bowl
b) if your health, auto, or life insurer denies coverage or raises premiums on CURRENT users . . . give up the bong
c) if your political party demands "purity" in order to run for office . . . avoid testing, have others "misplace" your records, and obfuscate
1) Punish people for selling it without a license (just like alcohol).
2) Harshly punish people for selling it to children (well . . . that should be like alcohol . . . oh well).
3) Throw the book at people that commit crimes while under the influence (just like alcohol).
4) Allow private enterprises to regulate CURRENT use at their whims:
a) if your employer says no CURRENT use or you lose your job . . . give up the bowl
b) if your health, auto, or life insurer denies coverage or raises premiums on CURRENT users . . . give up the bong
c) if your political party demands "purity" in order to run for office . . . avoid testing, have others "misplace" your records, and obfuscate
i wouldn't mind if pot was made legal, but it should be treated just like alcohol, like what balibabydoc said, i still wouldn't do it or date anyone who does it, from what i've seen alcohol seems to be more deadly than pot,
How many people do you know that have died becuae of marijuana? Now, tell me how many of you know of people who died because of alchohol or meth? I think it should be a loss-of-life issue. This particular herb should be classified as just that, an herb. There are plenty of other herbs that have hallucinogenic, and psychotropic effects. Salvia for example, can be purchased at any local head shop. Wormwood is another.
I personally don't smoke marijuana but, know many who do. I don't see the adverse effect. If you can maintain your lifestyle, without infringing on mine. Then i say go for it. I think it should only become a problem when, you let the drug control your life.
Mike
I personally don't smoke marijuana but, know many who do. I don't see the adverse effect. If you can maintain your lifestyle, without infringing on mine. Then i say go for it. I think it should only become a problem when, you let the drug control your life.
Mike
One thing that no one has mentioned is what would happen to public funds if it were legalized. Instead of spending $ Billions on enforcing possession and other infractions, the sale of Marijuana could be taxed and become a source of revenue for the government. Some of the tax dollars earned could be used to fund drug awareness education and drug rehabilitation. Other tax revenue could be used to reduce income tax burden or to fund any number of social programs.
n yusef
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The reason MJ is illegal is because there is no money in it. If a rich corporation that sold weed lobbied Congress, it would be legal with the snap of a finger. Since it's too easy to grow yourself and has no money behind it, it won't be leagalized any time soon.
BoomerD
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First off, you'd need an accurate field test for pot, similar to a breathalyzer, instead of having to wait for a lab analysis of urine/blood/ hair. There are the quick tests that will indicate it in the system, but they have to be lab confirmed to carry any legal weight. I've drug tested for over 20 years in the construction trade, and they get better every year, but none are anywhere 100% accurate.
Legalize it, tax the hell out of it (like alcohol) and sell it in liquor stores same as booze. Restrict it's use and posession to adults only, (18 or 21) and prohibit posession/usege by minors. Quit criminalizing simple posession, and controlling it's ues as I've laid out above, and you could :
1) reduce crime by
a)making it legal to posess/be under the influence of in certain circumstances
b) eliminating the criminal element in selling it
c)reduce the theft rate because price would drop
d)reduce the smuggling of it into the country
2)Reduce the number of people in jail/prison for minor pot related offenses, saving a LOT of money spent to house these "criminals".
3)Raise a LOT of money for governments thru the taxation of the drug. Federal taxes are already in place on pot. State, county and city taxes could be levied as well.
4)A good crop for farmers to make a ton of $$ growing. Nice cash crop with a high demand.
You'd need serious penalties (just a with alcohol) for driving under the influence, but you'd need to be able to test the difference between what someone smoked last weekend, and what the smoked 1/2 hr ago. Use on the job would also be regulated, just as with alcohol, since pot smokers tend to be a bit less careful.
As already mentioned, lots of people are killed because of alcohol related incidents. Many people become mean drunks, and look for fights, often resulting in death. I've never seen a pot smoker get mean, just develop a bad case of the munchies...HEY, tax munchies too!!
I haven't smoked the stuff in almost 20 yrs, but I'd still be in favor of legalizing it with some controls like I laid out above...
Legalize it, tax the hell out of it (like alcohol) and sell it in liquor stores same as booze. Restrict it's use and posession to adults only, (18 or 21) and prohibit posession/usege by minors. Quit criminalizing simple posession, and controlling it's ues as I've laid out above, and you could :
1) reduce crime by
a)making it legal to posess/be under the influence of in certain circumstances
b) eliminating the criminal element in selling it
c)reduce the theft rate because price would drop
d)reduce the smuggling of it into the country
2)Reduce the number of people in jail/prison for minor pot related offenses, saving a LOT of money spent to house these "criminals".
3)Raise a LOT of money for governments thru the taxation of the drug. Federal taxes are already in place on pot. State, county and city taxes could be levied as well.
4)A good crop for farmers to make a ton of $$ growing. Nice cash crop with a high demand.
You'd need serious penalties (just a with alcohol) for driving under the influence, but you'd need to be able to test the difference between what someone smoked last weekend, and what the smoked 1/2 hr ago. Use on the job would also be regulated, just as with alcohol, since pot smokers tend to be a bit less careful.
As already mentioned, lots of people are killed because of alcohol related incidents. Many people become mean drunks, and look for fights, often resulting in death. I've never seen a pot smoker get mean, just develop a bad case of the munchies...HEY, tax munchies too!!
I haven't smoked the stuff in almost 20 yrs, but I'd still be in favor of legalizing it with some controls like I laid out above...
Kadarin
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This is actually pretty close to the real answer, I think. There seems to be a strong puritan streak in much of the country where the general attitude that anything done purely for the pursuit of pleasure for its own sake is wrong. This includes sex and drugs like marijuana.
Kadarin
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Is there one good reason why marijuana should NOT be illegal?
If it comes down to an arbitrary decision of whether to make it legal or illegal, it should be made legal because making it illegal deliberately restricts our freedom.
ericlp
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Any Drug Abused... Is gonna damage the body...
They say THC counts are higher today then they were 40 years ago... SO????? Just smoke less of it. Doesn't mean you can't go to your local liquor store and buy 120 proof rum.
Have you ever seen a chronic alcoholic with that "Burn Out" Look? Yeah.... They abused it... Same goes for Marijuana....
Look at all the overweight people... When we were cave men woman we didn't have access to crap loads of pure sugar and salt. Food must of taste pretty bland in cave man days. Anyway my point is close to 60% of the USA abuses junk food and the really cronic you know them as 400 pounders are at risk for a huge number if medical problems that will eventually lead to death.
I was going to give come out give you a few facts about marijuana. But .... They are just that. The government and general public have gone back in fourth on what a certain drug does or does not do... I mean we can't even keep it straight for alcohol that if it were discovered today it would be classified as a class III hallucinogenic drug.
So the point I am trying to Drive Home is that any drug be it sugar to crystal meth and even Sex... *IF ABUSED* can and will cause great harm. The only answer to this is EDUCATION... We should have Drug Education classes in High School....
Next point is .... People are going to do what they WANT to do... How many psychologist does it require to change a light-bulb? None! The light-bulb has to WANT to change. Anyway... You can tell your kids/addicts all day long that drugs are bad ... In the end it is the user themselves that will seek out the need for change. Ommm, and if there is no funds for programs or educational classes that can help people do this then the chances are pretty slim that person is going to get the help they need to help themselves.
One way to change this is put a tax on everything sold from junk food / coffee / alcohol / Maryjane (if it became legal)... Use that tax to fund thousands of drug education centers across America.
Sorry but putting people behind bars and telling them don't do it is not the right way to help people. Just say no didn't work for Nancy and it's not going to work today. We need to change our ways... If it isn't working why not try something that will work? Why keep playing the same broken record?
They say THC counts are higher today then they were 40 years ago... SO????? Just smoke less of it. Doesn't mean you can't go to your local liquor store and buy 120 proof rum.
Have you ever seen a chronic alcoholic with that "Burn Out" Look? Yeah.... They abused it... Same goes for Marijuana....
Look at all the overweight people... When we were cave men woman we didn't have access to crap loads of pure sugar and salt. Food must of taste pretty bland in cave man days. Anyway my point is close to 60% of the USA abuses junk food and the really cronic you know them as 400 pounders are at risk for a huge number if medical problems that will eventually lead to death.
I was going to give come out give you a few facts about marijuana. But .... They are just that. The government and general public have gone back in fourth on what a certain drug does or does not do... I mean we can't even keep it straight for alcohol that if it were discovered today it would be classified as a class III hallucinogenic drug.
So the point I am trying to Drive Home is that any drug be it sugar to crystal meth and even Sex... *IF ABUSED* can and will cause great harm. The only answer to this is EDUCATION... We should have Drug Education classes in High School....
Next point is .... People are going to do what they WANT to do... How many psychologist does it require to change a light-bulb? None! The light-bulb has to WANT to change. Anyway... You can tell your kids/addicts all day long that drugs are bad ... In the end it is the user themselves that will seek out the need for change. Ommm, and if there is no funds for programs or educational classes that can help people do this then the chances are pretty slim that person is going to get the help they need to help themselves.
One way to change this is put a tax on everything sold from junk food / coffee / alcohol / Maryjane (if it became legal)... Use that tax to fund thousands of drug education centers across America.
Sorry but putting people behind bars and telling them don't do it is not the right way to help people. Just say no didn't work for Nancy and it's not going to work today. We need to change our ways... If it isn't working why not try something that will work? Why keep playing the same broken record?
No, the reason that MJ is illegal is because there is SO MUCH money in it. If you could smoke marijuana to relax, the cigarette sales would plummet, which is why Philip Morris etc. pay good bribes to politicians in order to keep the "drug war" going and pay good money to the media and religious groups to keep blabbing morons like Palehorse convinced. Of course the religious groups have their own stake in this, because they believe they own the patent for screwing people's brains out. They are afraid that if people learn how to do it themselves, they might not need the church anymore. It's exactly like the religious ban on masturbation.
There's a religious ban on masturbation?!?
I guess we are all going to hell...I'll lead the way!
Cerb
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Stale racism (blacks and slimy mexicans smoked it!).
Effective propaganda (facts have no meaning).
Big industry (textile, energy, pharma)
It's good business for the government, and it grows so easily that it's not as good if regulated.
Zombies/sheeple are afraid of free thought, which is a nasty side-effect of this, and other, plants, and even some man-made drugs.
SP33Demon
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Good post, but don't forget that you don't have to smoke the stuff to get high. So that opens up a BEVY of other industries other than cigarettes that could add THC to their products: soft drinks, olive oil (they sell this already in other countries), cookies and brownies! So definitely agree with #2, it would be a huge cash cow. Most of the risks associated with pot are from smoking (high tar) it, other than that you would only have to worry about addiction (which is much less than alcohol btw).
here is a paragraph from the libertarian party site
http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-oss.shtml
but i don't really agree with all of this, i think this paragraph should really only pertain to pot
http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-oss.shtml
but i don't really agree with all of this, i think this paragraph should really only pertain to pot
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From a medical standpoint you can't accurately dose it. Yeh you can weight it, but every ounce of pot contains varying amounts of THC. You just can't acurately measure it's strength.
Virtually any other legal drug has the ability to have the active ingredients measured and will provide *reasonably* predictable results for a given individual based on weight, gender, ect.
Virtually any other legal drug has the ability to have the active ingredients measured and will provide *reasonably* predictable results for a given individual based on weight, gender, ect.
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