Is there nothing that conspiracy theorists won't doubt?

[Craig234]

Here's another important bit of history involving a 'conspiracy theory'.

Most here know about the 40 year Tuskagee expirement, where the US government told poor black men they were getting free US healthcare, but were actually given Syphillis.

But not man know about the US's research into LSD's effects, trying to find things to use for 'mind control', involving not only things like giving thousands of US servicement LSD and not telling them, but actually spraying LSD over an entire village in France, causing the people a lot of problems (and some loss of life).

People don't know it was done - nor that the plan to do it did have one of the scientists involved have moral objections, creating a security risk if he exposes it - and how they then killed him and made it look like he'd jumped from a building, a story that was accepted for many years.

A good book on the history is "A terrible mistake".

Then again, if you want a wild story, check out:

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monke.../dp/0977795306

The 1964 murder of a nationally known cancer researcher sets the stage for this gripping exposé of medical professionals enmeshed in covert government operations over the course of three decades. Following a trail of police records, FBI files, cancer statistics, and medical journals, this revealing book presents evidence of a web of medical secret-keeping that began with the handling of evidence in the JFK assassination and continued apace, sweeping doctors into coverups of cancer outbreaks, contaminated polio vaccine, the arrival of the AIDS virus, and biological weapon research using infected monkeys.

I'm not commenting one way or the other on that one at this time, haven't read this one.

 

[marvdmartian]

When JFK was killed, on a bright, sunny, warm day without any rain, photos show that one person in the crown had an umbrella - which they held closed as the motorcade approached, and which the person opened, as the shooting occurred. Clearly, one of the conspirators, signalling the shooters when to shoot. Why else would they have this mysterious umbrella opening?

Except, it was innocent. They found the person, confirmed it was them, and investigated them and determined they were not 'connected to a conspiracy'.

The person was objecting to Kennedy's policies in his own odd way. A coincidence.

Yeah, but I wonder if, after seeing Kennedy shot, that person was like, "OH, SH*T!! Now I'm going to have J. Edgar Hoover coming after my ass!!!"

 

[BoomerD]

Be more afraid of the interests who are trying to dominate our democracy - the Koch brothers and others like them, the massive military industry, etc.

I don't disagree with you Craig. Ike had it right...and no one listened.

BUT, ours is the best form of government that money can (and does) buy.

 

[Craig234]

Yeah, but I wonder if, after seeing Kennedy shot, that person was like, "OH, SH*T!! Now I'm going to have J. Edgar Hoover coming after my ass!!!"

He may well have. Or wondered what superpowers his umbrella had he didn't know about.

But he had little to worry about, since Hoover much preferred LBJ in office and was determined to sell the 'one gunman' explanation within minutes.

It's a little surprising he didn't come forward on his own sooner. But he wouldn't be exactly popular, I expect.

Another interesting tidbit: close Kennedy friends and aides Ken O'Donnell and Dave Powers riding behind the President, and as I recall experienced in combat, heard shots from the Grassy Knoll. But the FBI told them they can't have and the shots came from the Depository, and so they told the FBI a false story as they wanted.

This didn't come out until Tip O'Neill's memoir later, when he told the story about hearing this from them at dinner years later. They confirmed it.

Why did they do it? They said it was because they wanted to cooperate with the FBI and the family just wanted the matter behind them. Mistake, I think.

 

[HeXen]

one should be aware of fake evidence too, many of those documentaries you see on TV and many books are completely faked based on stories and are purposefully scripted to lead the viewer a certain direction. By the end, if you think about it, you were lead the whole time, most of the tell tales are in the credits, especially if you notice certain names...like fictional authors for scripting or companies that make CG footages, props...etc. They exist solely for the purpose to get viewers, played in repeats a few times then you never hear or see them again.
I love watching those credits, i look names up..etc. kinda funny but i love it more when i see something like "Alien 1..david whatever....housewife...Alecia whatever. lol i've seen a few like that, showing the actors names but they scroll them really quick.

 

[jagec]

I believe that Jews did the moon landing, NASA faked JFK's assassination, and that the towers were hit by multiple planes from different angles, but the FBI tampered with the evidence to support the "lone airplane" hypothesis.

 

[clamum]

Yeah they love to find a conspiracy in just about any news article. A couple of my friends (not close friends, but friends I suppose) are all about that crap. I think it started out with them back in the day smoking a ton of pot and surfing conspiracy websites, and I guess it stuck.

Questioning the official story is great, and should be done, but to vehemently and endlessly argue that 9/11 was an inside job is FUCKING STUPID.

 

[HeXen]

Certainly possible that a terrorist group would have several of their young guys get well educated and attempt to get hired into govt jobs...etc only to years later use them to their advantage...at least it has been shown that some of their guys have been Americanized for years yet still follow out a plan of destruction. I recall reading about a guy who roomed with one of them in college here in the states.
I wouldn't doubt if a spy or terrorist has not become into power in the past, though when i think of conspiracies, i think of men in black and aliens.

 

[waggy]

I do beleive some of them.. to a point.

the moon landing was real. as others said USSR had ways to track it and interecept transmissions. they would have come out if it was faked.

JFK shrug no clue on that.

but 9/11 amazes me. really. there are how many witness's? how many tens of thousands seen the planes hit. planes filled with fuel. and with how the towers were designed people still think its fake.

I even read one article where people think it was giant 3d projecters and not planes. ...WTF

 

[Iron Woode]

I love conspiracy theories! The more ridiculous the better. Not that I believe them, I just think they're hilarious.

Chemtrails made laugh like hell.

I got a kick out of Flying Rods. That was just priceless.

 

[waggy]

I love conspiracy theories! The more ridiculous the better. Not that I believe them, I just think they're hilarious.

Chemtrails made laugh like hell.

I got a kick out of Flying Rods. That was just priceless.

oh chemtrails. yeah those are insane. Whats even better is people think you can make them disparate by spraying something like vegetable oil in the air. Yeah like spraying something say 10ft off the ground is going to effect them 35k feet up..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdeAF_Prfo&feature=related

edit: oops its vinager! no wonder you need to sign a waiver for it! they don't want you to destroy teh chemtrails!

 

[tcG]

Would it surprise you to know that the idea behind chemtrails - spraying aerosolized metal particulate into the air in order to increase the earth's reflectivity of the sun's energy and thereby reduce global warming - is the subject of numerous scientific geoengineering patents, reports, conferences, and research documents? That the real question about chemtrails isn't whether what these crazy conspiracy theorists have dreamed up is true, it's whether all of the things already in the scientific literature are not being done (as the literature claims) or whether the geoengineering is in fact being done surreptitiously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfur_aerosols_(geoengineering)

There is actually evidence that stratospheric aerosols ARE being sprayed. You have things like soil samples with elevated levels of all the elements that are used in the aerosols. You have unprecedented levels of drought, climate aberration, and crop failure, which according to some meteorologists are what you would expect to see with geoengineering. Crops are showing signs of metal toxicity and the accompanying fungal overgrowth. There are the effects observable with the naked eye, which include sky tarnishing, sky whitening, less natural cloud formation, and the trails themselves, which are different from contrails and weren't apparent for the entire period we had jet travel from the 50's until around the late 90's, when the program started.

If you have an agenda, one of the best ways to make things happen is to provide a number of separate groups with incentives to see the thing you want to happen through to its realization. Chemtrails are part of a larger program of geoengineering in general. Futures traders who make billions of dollars by predicting what the weather is going to be like in certain parts of the world benefit from weather being controlled. The military has has released documents since the 1950's expressing their desire to control weather for military applications. Companies like Monsanto have patents on seeds that are resistant to the problems created by geoengineering.

 

[jagec]

Here's another important bit of history involving a 'conspiracy theory'.

Most here know about the 40 year Tuskagee expirement, where the US government told poor black men they were getting free US healthcare, but were actually given Syphillis.

I don't know how I missed this, but they were never GIVEN syphilis. Most of them already had it, and the ones who didn't were a control group. But instead of telling them that they had it or treating them (penicillin had been validated as an effective cure partway through the study), they were simply observed as the disease progressed. Still highly unethical, but not nearly as bad as you are suggesting.

 

[SandEagle]

how unoriginal of the OP to spin off of my thread. worse than hollywood

 

[Craig234]

I don't know how I missed this, but they were never GIVEN syphilis. Most of them already had it, and the ones who didn't were a control group. But instead of telling them that they had it or treating them (penicillin had been validated as an effective cure partway through the study), they were simply observed as the disease progressed. Still highly unethical, but not nearly as bad as you are suggesting.

Thank you for correcting my misremembered information.

Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study without treating any participants and withholding penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to others in the area.[4] The study continued, under numerous US Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press eventually resulted in its termination. The victims of the study included numerous men who died of syphilis, wives who contracted the disease, and children born with congenital syphilis.[5]

 

[Iron Woode]

Would it surprise you to know that the idea behind chemtrails - spraying aerosolized metal particulate into the air in order to increase the earth's reflectivity of the sun's energy and thereby reduce global warming - is the subject of numerous scientific geoengineering patents, reports, conferences, and research documents? That the real question about chemtrails isn't whether what these crazy conspiracy theorists have dreamed up is true, it's whether all of the things already in the scientific literature are not being done (as the literature claims) or whether the geoengineering is in fact being done surreptitiously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfur_aerosols_(geoengineering)

There is actually evidence that stratospheric aerosols ARE being sprayed. You have things like soil samples with elevated levels of all the elements that are used in the aerosols. You have unprecedented levels of drought, climate aberration, and crop failure, which according to some meteorologists are what you would expect to see with geoengineering. Crops are showing signs of metal toxicity and the accompanying fungal overgrowth. There are the effects observable with the naked eye, which include sky tarnishing, sky whitening, less natural cloud formation, and the trails themselves, which are different from contrails and weren't apparent for the entire period we had jet travel from the 50's until around the late 90's, when the program started.

If you have an agenda, one of the best ways to make things happen is to provide a number of separate groups with incentives to see the thing you want to happen through to its realization. Chemtrails are part of a larger program of geoengineering in general. Futures traders who make billions of dollars by predicting what the weather is going to be like in certain parts of the world benefit from weather being controlled. The military has has released documents since the 1950's expressing their desire to control weather for military applications. Companies like Monsanto have patents on seeds that are resistant to the problems created by geoengineering.

ok, 2 things.

1. I think spraying chemicals and what not high up in the atmosphere, in an effort to control weather, is not a good idea.

2. Chemtrail morons aren't thinking about weather control. They think chemtrails are for experiments in mind control and other extreme things. Like that crazy woman who thinks rainbows from her sprinkler indicates pollution of some sort.

 

[HeXen]

how unoriginal of the OP to spin off of my thread. worse than hollywood

jelly