Is there ANY point at all to orange painted crosswalks?

Ultima

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Never in my LIFE have I EVER seen a car stop for one of these, unless a cop was nearby, there was a crossing guard, or the person crossing was a mom pushing a baby stroller. What's the point of even painting these when crossing the road at these points is just as dangerous as jaywalking? At least when you're jaywalking you know you're breaking the law and you know that the cars have the right of way but it really really makes me irate when cars don't slow down for you in crosswalks.

Here's an example that happened earlier today: I was crossing my bike at a 6-lane boulevard with a 1 foot median at an orange crosswalk. The nearest lights were almost half a mile away in either direction. There's almost no traffic coming on my side except for two cars so I let those pass, and start walking the bike across. I go into the first lane on the other side when I see a whole bunch of traffic coming. They're about 500 feet away and I'm in the middle of the damn road now and I'm crossing legally so I keep going. The traffic keeps coming with no sign of slowing down. My heart rate starts rising. I'm in the second lane now. There's a car back in the first lane about 200 feet away, and a van in the lane in front of me about 200 feet away, and the car in MY lane is about 100 feet away and closing with no signs of slowing down. I'm probably going to get hit by that car so I start running and jump my bike over the curb, and the van in the third lane zooms by at 45mph two seconds later. Two seconds. If I was two seconds slower there could have been an accident and I would have been the loser in that accident. Insurance is no fault here, so compensation would have sucked.

Another example: There's another orange crosswalk near my college and once or twice during the semester I've gotten caught in the MIDDLE with cars zooming by on each side and adrenaline throbbing through my veins. Everytime that happens it takes at least 15 minutes to totally shake off the feeling.

Please tell me, why the hell do cities bother painting these crosswalks when they're obviously USELESS? Why not make it a damn *traffic light* instead!! A light that's green all the time except when someone who wants to cross presses a button, then it *instantly* turns yellow, then red and stays red for 30 seconds. I'm sure this is a problem elsewhere too, not just here, even though a recent newspaper article mentioned that in no other cities are crosswalks treated this badly.

Generally, I think our drivers are decent, usually signalling, yielding at intersections etc, I don't think the proportions of bad drivers is higher here than elsewhere, heck we don't have right turns on red which makes intersections a whole lot safer. There's just something about crosswalks though, that makes drivers think that they don't have to slow down and that the pedestrian there is just "going to get out of the way", and if he doesn't well too bad!! I hope I never become such a dick to people like that when I get my car.

 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Is there a stop sign, or "stop" written on the ground? If not, then they are useless.

No, the only markings are the orange lines on the ground and probably also a white sign on each side of the road that has a picture of a man on a crosswalk and an arrow pointing to the crosswalk. Near schools these white signs are yellow and show two kids, but its the same idea. No stop line or sign.
 

gopunk

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yea i usually stop for people at crosswalks, unless they show up too late and i'm going 40 with quite a few cars behind me (at which point it's just dangerous to stop).

a gripe i have is when i stop for pedestrians and they take their sweet time crossing. sure they have the right of way, but lets see some common decency here folks, you're holding up traffic! i do a jog when i cross streets so that i don't hold people up, and it just pisses me to see people walking reallllly slow.
 

Ultima

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I never jog across especially in the winter but I do try and walk fast. I don't like holding up people either but its nice if they show a little courtesy for me by stopping and not putting my life in danger.
 

amnesiac

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Screw them. There's a crosswalk I use near the restaurant I worked at, and people rarely stop.

I just wait until there's a big enough gap and start crossing, which gives people AMPLE time to slow down and stop. They won't volunteer five seconds to let me pass, so I MAKE them stop. No, I'm not worried about getting run over because the visibility is high, and it's easier than waiting until you find a person who's not totally rude (impossible in Brentwood)
 

FeathersMcGraw

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Originally posted by: Ultima

Please tell me, why the hell do cities bother painting these crosswalks when they're obviously USELESS? Why not make it a damn *traffic light* instead!! A light that's green all the time except when someone who wants to cross presses a button, then it *instantly* turns yellow, then red and stays red for 30 seconds. I'm sure this is a problem elsewhere too, not just here, even though a recent newspaper article mentioned that in no other cities are crosswalks treated this badly.

People don't know how to drive. Obviously, rules on right-of-way vary from state to state, but around here, cars are required to yield to pedestrians who have begun to cross within a designated crosswalk. Unfortunately, "yield right of way" usually translates into "avoid braking unless you're going to hit someone".

That being said, don't assume that the right of way will ever keep you safe.

Adding traffic lights isn't always a solution, though. They have a cost in both installation and maintenance, and may have impacts on traffic flow, especially in densely urban areas.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
Originally posted by: Ultima

Please tell me, why the hell do cities bother painting these crosswalks when they're obviously USELESS? Why not make it a damn *traffic light* instead!! A light that's green all the time except when someone who wants to cross presses a button, then it *instantly* turns yellow, then red and stays red for 30 seconds. I'm sure this is a problem elsewhere too, not just here, even though a recent newspaper article mentioned that in no other cities are crosswalks treated this badly.

People don't know how to drive. Obviously, rules on right-of-way vary from state to state, but around here, cars are required to yield to pedestrians who have begun to cross within a designated crosswalk. Unfortunately, "yield right of way" usually translates into "avoid braking unless you're going to hit someone".

That being said, don't assume that the right of way will ever keep you safe.

Adding traffic lights isn't always a solution, though. They have a cost in both installation and maintenance, and may have impacts on traffic flow, especially in densely urban areas.


Yes, unfortunately it takes a death or two before anything is done about a dangerous crosswalk.