Is there any percievable legitimacy to the Iraqi 'insurgency' ?

[Todd33]

If a foreign power ever invades my country, bombs women and children, tortures innocents in prison and installs a puppet government, I might take up arms against them. Call me a terrorist I guess.

I don't like Bush, but I don't want France to roll in and overturn the government on my behalf. Call me old fashioned.

While our press may make us look like liberators, I suspect the typical Iraqi looks at things differently. Not to mention a Christian nation invading a Muslim one, with the president calling it a "crusade". It doesn't look good, despite our intentions.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20
Bush is not going to invade Iran or Syria, so stop shivering.

But Iran needs to be slowed down, by putting sanctions and limiting their resources to enhance their advanced nuke program.

Why would i be shivering about that? I am nowhere near either nation and have no relatives anywhere near them, i DO however have relatives in Israel so if i were to be for an invasion of Iran at least i would have a reason.

I thought sanctions were worthless? And who is going to put sanctions on them? The US alone or are you going to ask some irrellevant international organization?

And what is it exactly that made the case for invading Iraq that isn't present with Iran now, i mean, if pursuing nukes isn't "WMD program related activities" then what is? And if they are, as you are saying they are, funding terrorist to a much greater extent than SH ever did, then what is the case against invasion?

It would not surprise me if, if Bushie boi wins of course, the US would invade either or both of these nations after having won the elections.

The EU is iran's major trade partner, so they probably should. Sanctions put by the UN is worthless since they are more corrupt than any politician will ever get.

We cant invade Iran due to its great size and large military. We can only take on a few nations at one time

I thought the EU were what was corrupt with the UN, the largest EU nations were accused of it.

The EU will discuss this among the nations and come to a conclusion, we'll see what comes out of it.

Oh poor you, maybe if you had some allies?

the EU is not the UN. ever thought of that?

The EU will not put sanctions on Iran since they get a lot of their oil from it cheaply. So Iran will most likely have a nuke bomb in a very short time, they may already have one. Our european and russian friends have helped Iran tremendously.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20
Bush is not going to invade Iran or Syria, so stop shivering.

But Iran needs to be slowed down, by putting sanctions and limiting their resources to enhance their advanced nuke program.

Why would i be shivering about that? I am nowhere near either nation and have no relatives anywhere near them, i DO however have relatives in Israel so if i were to be for an invasion of Iran at least i would have a reason.

I thought sanctions were worthless? And who is going to put sanctions on them? The US alone or are you going to ask some irrellevant international organization?

And what is it exactly that made the case for invading Iraq that isn't present with Iran now, i mean, if pursuing nukes isn't "WMD program related activities" then what is? And if they are, as you are saying they are, funding terrorist to a much greater extent than SH ever did, then what is the case against invasion?

It would not surprise me if, if Bushie boi wins of course, the US would invade either or both of these nations after having won the elections.

The EU is iran's major trade partner, so they probably should. Sanctions put by the UN is worthless since they are more corrupt than any politician will ever get.

We cant invade Iran due to its great size and large military. We can only take on a few nations at one time

I thought the EU were what was corrupt with the UN, the largest EU nations were accused of it.

The EU will discuss this among the nations and come to a conclusion, we'll see what comes out of it.

Oh poor you, maybe if you had some allies?

the EU is not the UN. ever thought of that?

The EU will not put sanctions on Iran since they get a lot of their oil from it cheaply. So Iran will most likely have a nuke bomb in a very short time, they may already have one. Our european and russian friends have helped Iran tremendously.

The EU isn't the UN? No sh!t sherlock, but from what i have seen the EU has been carrying the blame for what is wrong with the UN since they opposed Bushie boi's great adventure in Iraq.

Well, we could have been allies, but you told us that we are irrelevant and then kept the contracts to yourselves, and now we are supposed to help you out? You want international support in Iraq but you don't want to change the contracts, you want the EU to step up and take a hold of Iran but you are not prepared to even ask for it.

Don't worry though, we will, there are already communications open between the EU and Iran and plans of sanctions are already there.

 

[cpumaster]

I think what runner20 is saying is we need to put our leader's national interest above all other soverign nations, including allies if necessary. After all, why buy something if we can just take them for free. Why do you want peace if spreading fear is easier policy. Why not take advantage of our military power right now, just in case 50 years from now we might not be the strongest nation on earth.
Sort of the same logic used by a little dictator name Hitler and a country called Germany in the past (yes I am equationg runner20 logic with that).

 

[rextilleon]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: rextilleon

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

It would take 1 minute to conquer Syria.

But we cant invade Iran for a while. And theres no point in attacking Iran, it will be our loss.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: rextilleon

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

It would take 1 minute to conquer Syria.

But we cant invade Iran for a while. And theres no point in attacking Iran, it will be our loss.

Just like Iraq was "easy" the plan is ten years. You bit off a bit mor than you can chew and Syria would kick your butts even further.

LOL, you are like the worst arm chair general in the history of times.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: rextilleon

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

Russian made means nothing, you probably don't know that since you don't seem to know ANYTHING at all but like to keep your mouth running.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: rextilleon

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

It would take 1 minute to conquer Syria.

But we cant invade Iran for a while. And theres no point in attacking Iran, it will be our loss.

Just like Iraq was "easy" the plan is ten years. You bit off a bit mor than you can chew and Syria would kick your butts even further.

LOL, you are like the worst arm chair general in the history of times.

Noone said Iraq would be easy, Bush even said and says the road will be tough but we must be strong and resiliant.

And I do not support invading Iran or Syria. jee

 

[sandorski]

Iraq is in a state of Civil War that is somewhat muted due to the presence of US Troops, but you can be sure that as soon as US Troops leave, all Hell will break loose.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: rextilleon

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So all those weapons must be coming from Iran and Syria.... never mind that many insurgents appear to be ex Iraqi military, still toting their issued arms. Never mind that right after Saddam's regime collapsed there was looting of the weapons caches, which has been extensively documented in the media. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and Syria were sending arms into Iraq, but there certainly wasn't a shortage of arms inside Iraq, or insurgency minded people in Iraq.

Zephyr

Weapons dealers will sell to anyone--Who knows where their weapons are coming from--seem to have lots of Russian made ordinance. By the way, I was being tongue and cheek about invading Syria or Iran---After all, unlike my right wing friends--I dont believe in nation building!

It would take 1 minute to conquer Syria.

But we cant invade Iran for a while. And theres no point in attacking Iran, it will be our loss.

Just like Iraq was "easy" the plan is ten years. You bit off a bit mor than you can chew and Syria would kick your butts even further.

LOL, you are like the worst arm chair general in the history of times.

Noone said Iraq would be easy, Bush even said and says the road will be tough but we must be strong and resiliant.

And I do not support invading Iran or Syria. jee

Yeah, you be strong, a superpower against insurgents, you stay strong. LMAO.

I really couldn't care less what you support, you are a puppet who would change his mind if they invaded Syria to " i do not support invading Iran" until they invade Iran, then you will be all of non supporting arguments.

Invading Iraq for FVCKING WHAT? NO WMD'S NO TERRORIST CONNECTIONS?

Pull your head out from your ass you stupd fvck, there was no reason to invade Iraq either, it still happend!

You have to realiz that you are told what to believe or fvcked in the head and believe in it anywayz.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Iraq is in a state of Civil War that is somewhat muted due to the presence of US Troops, but you can be sure that as soon as US Troops leave, all Hell will break loose.

I agree, a civil war will happen, there are three opposing sides and none agree, the strongest will win and the government will be theocratic with one dictator.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Iraq is in a state of Civil War that is somewhat muted due to the presence of US Troops, but you can be sure that as soon as US Troops leave, all Hell will break loose.

True dat, well funded "Militant Islamic Terror Mecca"tm here we come!

 

[DeeKnow]

al-sadr is a politician jostling for power in the post-war Iraq. they dont have elections or free speech or media campaigns out there. what they have is cheap guns and hired killers, so that's what he uses...