Is there any other V8 that sounds anywhere near as good as a Mustang GT's?

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sharkeeper

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I know for a fact that a 4.6 with 10# boost (blown) can run with a 911-993 at full boost down VA-66 from 70mph through 140mph until we ran out of road. Pretty impressive for a 13k (invested) car if you ask me. A few suspension mods to the 'stang for 1.0g skidpad handling, and it would be a serious driver if you ask me.

Of course traction will always be a problem where the 911 has none to speak of on dry pavement. :)
 

Jenova314

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i've never really liked the sound of muscle cars... for the most part, the unmodded versions are all-noise, no speed. in fact, i've never quite understood the mystical fascination many americans have with large, inefficient, unrefined, and downright obnoxiously loud engines. i suppose they are simply meant to be modded. in the campus garages (San Jose State), i see people with GT's revving up, setting off car alarms, and possibly neutering themselves. i mean, what's the point of showing off an engine that makes so much noise and vibration? i find this almost as annoying as rice rockets, except the ricers only try to emulate the sound with their coffee-can mufflers (pretty darn sad, IMHO).

the japanese and germans have almost always managed to produce more horsepower and torque given the same/similar displacement. example:

350Z:
base price: ~$27k
engine: 3.5L V6
1/4 mile: 14.1 @ 101
0-60: 5.4s
max hp: 287hp @ 6200
max torque: 274 ft-lbs @ 4800

mustang GT deluxe coupe (cheapest V8 version, somebody correct me if i'm wrong):
Edited:base price: ~$25k
engine: 4.6L V8
0-60 mph: 5.3?7.0 sec (C/D)
1/4-mile: 14.0?15.5 sec (C/D, couldn't find mph)
max hp: 300hp @ 5750
max torque: 320 ft-lbs @ 4500

even while giving ford the benefit of the doubt and going with the lower C/D figures, it still goes to show that it takes an american V8 to beat/match a japanese V6. i suppose in some ways, it's comparing apples and oranges... a tasty orange and a rotten apple.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: Jenova314
i've never really liked the sound of muscle cars... for the most part, the unmodded versions are all-noise, no speed. in fact, i've never quite understood the mystical fascination many americans have with large, inefficient, unrefined, and downright obnoxiously loud engines. i suppose they are simply meant to be modded. in the campus garages (San Jose State), i see people with GT's revving up, setting off car alarms, and possibly neutering themselves. i mean, what's the point of showing off an engine that makes so much noise and vibration? i find this almost as annoying as rice rockets, except the ricers only try to emulate the sound with their coffee-can mufflers (pretty darn sad, IMHO).

the japanese and germans have almost always managed to produce more horsepower and torque given the same/similar displacement. example:

350Z:
base price: ~$27k
engine: 3.5L V6
1/4 mile: 14.1 @ 101
0-60: 5.4s
max hp: 287hp @ 6200
max torque: 274 ft-lbs @ 4800

mustang GT deluxe coupe (cheapest V8 version, somebody correct me if i'm wrong):
Edited:base price: ~$25k
engine: 4.6L V8
0-60 mph: 5.3?7.0 sec (C/D)
1/4-mile: 14.0?15.5 sec (C/D, couldn't find mph)
max hp: 300hp @ 5750
max torque: 320 ft-lbs @ 4500

even while giving ford the benefit of the doubt and going with the lower C/D figures, it still goes to show that it takes an american V8 to beat/match a japanese V6. i suppose in some ways, it's comparing apples and oranges... a tasty orange and a rotten apple.


Hey, you like those style motors, that's fine. It just sounds like to me you don't understand the whole american V8 thing...
 

MasterAndCommander

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Originally posted by: Jenova314
i've never really liked the sound of muscle cars... for the most part, the unmodded versions are all-noise, no speed. in fact, i've never quite understood the mystical fascination many americans have with large, inefficient, unrefined, and downright obnoxiously loud engines. i suppose they are simply meant to be modded. in the campus garages (San Jose State), i see people with GT's revving up, setting off car alarms, and possibly neutering themselves. i mean, what's the point of showing off an engine that makes so much noise and vibration? i find this almost as annoying as rice rockets, except the ricers only try to emulate the sound with their coffee-can mufflers (pretty darn sad, IMHO).

the japanese and germans have almost always managed to produce more horsepower and torque given the same/similar displacement. example:

350Z:
base price: ~$27k
engine: 3.5L V6
1/4 mile: 14.1 @ 101
0-60: 5.4s
max hp: 287hp @ 6200
max torque: 274 ft-lbs @ 4800

mustang GT deluxe coupe (cheapest V8 version, somebody correct me if i'm wrong):
Edited:base price: ~$25k
engine: 4.6L V8
0-60 mph: 5.3?7.0 sec (C/D)
1/4-mile: 14.0?15.5 sec (C/D, couldn't find mph)
max hp: 300hp @ 5750
max torque: 320 ft-lbs @ 4500

even while giving ford the benefit of the doubt and going with the lower C/D figures, it still goes to show that it takes an american V8 to beat/match a japanese V6. i suppose in some ways, it's comparing apples and oranges... a tasty orange and a rotten apple.

Don't know what kind of drivers C/D have :confused: I'm assuming the higher figures are for the V-6. Not really intrested in 'paper' racing anyways. The best track run I've seen so far for a stock GT is 13.3. I believe the top speed is limited to 145mph by the computer. The Nissan VQ series of 3.5's are very nice and have Ward's 10 best list several times...but this year, Ford's new 3v 4.6 made it too because it makes 300 ponies on 87 regular gas!

edited R/T sez 0-60 in 4.9s, 1/4 mile in 13.5 @ 102.4mph.....on 87 gas for $25k - let's see an import do that for that price ;)
 

Jenova314

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Hey, you like those style motors, that's fine. It just sounds like to me you don't understand the whole american V8 thing...

well, no, i do. hearing a loud engine is a statement in itself, and i can see why that would excite some people. i think the thing that turns me off about the sound of american V8's is that they do too much "grunting," as opposed to "singing," for my taste, if that makes any sense. i personally don't like the "whine" of japanese four-bangers, either. what does it for me are the high-displacement japanese 6s (3.2~3.5) and BMW 8s (think M5 and 6-series... good god, have you guys heard these????).
 

302efi

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I had to reply to this thread :D

As for the Chevy (LS1, LS6, ect...) mullet, Joe Drit drivers: Could you please get a REAL dual exhaust setup !!!...A single pipe exhaust is for sorry ass imports :confused:

The SOHC & the DOHC GT's and Cobra's sound about as good as your gonna get for
that classic american V8 muscle car sound" with some headers, off road H-pipe or X-pipe or the Mac Pro Chamber and a nice Catback set up as well (Flowmaster, Mac, Magna flow ect..)

Also, it as depends on the kinda sound you like..the chambered mufflers give you more off that throaty growl where abouts a straight through mufflers sound more raspy and high pitched.

Also Engine work has alot to do with sound as well...you do cam & heads and that will sound totally different.

I'm a old school Foxbody 5.0 guy so:..Fvck what everybody says, the pushrod 5.0 sounds better then them all...but as a side note, I could care less about the way the car sounds, that has NOTHING to do with the way it runs !

 

millivolts

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I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: millivolts
I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust

um k...
you do know adding an headers xpipe/hpipe with bigger diameter pipes flowmasters or dynomax or borla and a good set of tails can GREATLY increase horsepower and torque...

stock systems are VERY restrictive...

so ill take a slightly louder car that got a 20-50 hp increase (specially with motor head or cam work)
 

millivolts

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: millivolts
I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust

um k...
you do know adding an headers xpipe/hpipe with bigger diameter pipes flowmasters or dynomax or borla and a good set of tails can GREATLY increase horsepower and torque...

stock systems are VERY restrictive...

so ill take a slightly louder car that got a 20-50 hp increase (specially with motor head or cam work)

Yes I know all about it.

I also know that, in my OPINION when I hear something like that I compare it DIRECTLY to a ricer.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: millivolts
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: millivolts
I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust

um k...
you do know adding an headers xpipe/hpipe with bigger diameter pipes flowmasters or dynomax or borla and a good set of tails can GREATLY increase horsepower and torque...

stock systems are VERY restrictive...

so ill take a slightly louder car that got a 20-50 hp increase (specially with motor head or cam work)

Yes I know all about it.

I also know that, in my OPINION when I hear something like that I compare it DIRECTLY to a ricer.

That means your OPINION sucks. That's my OPINION. :)
 

DaTT

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: millivolts
I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust

um k...
you do know adding an headers xpipe/hpipe with bigger diameter pipes flowmasters or dynomax or borla and a good set of tails can GREATLY increase horsepower and torque...

stock systems are VERY restrictive...

so ill take a slightly louder car that got a 20-50 hp increase (specially with motor head or cam work)

Not all stock systems are very restrictive......my 2005 Mustang GT for example:

2 1/2" exhaust with smooth bends. Many people have put cat-back systems on and gained very little in HP. Even with headers, you gain very little. Ford has done an excellent job with this setup.
 

finbarqs

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The "Spyder" editions of ferrari's are merely just convertible editions of their hard top counter part. I.E. 360 Spyder is just the convertible edition of the 360 Modena. BTW, the 360 Challenge Stradale is music to my ears. The Road version, of the track version, of the Road car. Gotta love that. They sound like Le Mans racing cars to me... I guess i'm just not big on muscle cars, because once you hit that corner, you're toast. No skill in launching a vehicle, but it takes a lot of skill to corner properly. With that said, European cars and Japanese cars has the Americans beat.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: finbarqs
The "Spyder" editions of ferrari's are merely just convertible editions of their hard top counter part. I.E. 360 Spyder is just the convertible edition of the 360 Modena. BTW, the 360 Challenge Stradale is music to my ears. The Road version, of the track version, of the Road car. Gotta love that. They sound like Le Mans racing cars to me... I guess i'm just not big on muscle cars, because once you hit that corner, you're toast. No skill in launching a vehicle, but it takes a lot of skill to corner properly. With that said, European cars and Japanese cars has the Americans beat.

LOL... that's why the Viper beat all those European cars at LeMans. It only lost... when the Corvette took over. :p
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: millivolts
I enjoy a muffled v8. These loud obnoxious throaty v8's are just like ricers in my book.



give me an s4, or bmw 4.5 or merc v8 anyday... with stock exhaust

um k...
you do know adding an headers xpipe/hpipe with bigger diameter pipes flowmasters or dynomax or borla and a good set of tails can GREATLY increase horsepower and torque...

stock systems are VERY restrictive...

so ill take a slightly louder car that got a 20-50 hp increase (specially with motor head or cam work)

Not all stock systems are very restrictive......my 2005 Mustang GT for example:

2 1/2" exhaust with smooth bends. Many people have put cat-back systems on and gained very little in HP. Even with headers, you gain very little. Ford has done an excellent job with this setup.

there are like 4 2005 GTs here Ive seen on the road.. i drive by Freeway ford every day hoping they will ahve one I can stop and see.... not one yet =/ seen one on the road not up close....
I want one soooooo bad =/

 

finbarqs

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: finbarqs
The "Spyder" editions of ferrari's are merely just convertible editions of their hard top counter part. I.E. 360 Spyder is just the convertible edition of the 360 Modena. BTW, the 360 Challenge Stradale is music to my ears. The Road version, of the track version, of the Road car. Gotta love that. They sound like Le Mans racing cars to me... I guess i'm just not big on muscle cars, because once you hit that corner, you're toast. No skill in launching a vehicle, but it takes a lot of skill to corner properly. With that said, European cars and Japanese cars has the Americans beat.

LOL... that's why the Viper beat all those European cars at LeMans. It only lost... when the Corvette took over. :p

prove it. I have NEVER heard of the Viper SRT-10 win any LeMans. Show me proof, and i'll stand corrected. If i remember correctly, the Viper SRT-10 is slow around the Top Gear test track. lemme pull a link for you. BTW the LeMans Viper SRT-10 is a Highly Modified Viper that isn't even street legal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

those cars are all street legal. It's just a pity they didn't show the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ 320, rankig in at a 1:26.0 exactly. They even have the C6 corvette on their test laps.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: finbarqs
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: finbarqs
The "Spyder" editions of ferrari's are merely just convertible editions of their hard top counter part. I.E. 360 Spyder is just the convertible edition of the 360 Modena. BTW, the 360 Challenge Stradale is music to my ears. The Road version, of the track version, of the Road car. Gotta love that. They sound like Le Mans racing cars to me... I guess i'm just not big on muscle cars, because once you hit that corner, you're toast. No skill in launching a vehicle, but it takes a lot of skill to corner properly. With that said, European cars and Japanese cars has the Americans beat.

LOL... that's why the Viper beat all those European cars at LeMans. It only lost... when the Corvette took over. :p

prove it. I have NEVER heard of the Viper SRT-10 win any LeMans. Show me proof, and i'll stand corrected. If i remember correctly, the Viper SRT-10 is slow around the Top Gear test track. lemme pull a link for you. BTW the LeMans Viper SRT-10 is a Highly Modified Viper that isn't even street legal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

Well the Porschess and Ferraris they were racing against aren't street legal either... :p

The Viper GTS-R won the GT2 class in the 1998 LeMans... 1-2. Before that they won both drivers and constructors GT2 championship in the FIA GT in 1997... and again in 1998. They're not as bad as you think they are. :p

 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: finbarqs
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: finbarqs
The "Spyder" editions of ferrari's are merely just convertible editions of their hard top counter part. I.E. 360 Spyder is just the convertible edition of the 360 Modena. BTW, the 360 Challenge Stradale is music to my ears. The Road version, of the track version, of the Road car. Gotta love that. They sound like Le Mans racing cars to me... I guess i'm just not big on muscle cars, because once you hit that corner, you're toast. No skill in launching a vehicle, but it takes a lot of skill to corner properly. With that said, European cars and Japanese cars has the Americans beat.

LOL... that's why the Viper beat all those European cars at LeMans. It only lost... when the Corvette took over. :p

prove it. I have NEVER heard of the Viper SRT-10 win any LeMans. Show me proof, and i'll stand corrected. If i remember correctly, the Viper SRT-10 is slow around the Top Gear test track. lemme pull a link for you. BTW the LeMans Viper SRT-10 is a Highly Modified Viper that isn't even street legal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

those cars are all street legal. It's just a pity they didn't show the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ 320, rankig in at a 1:26.0 exactly. They even have the C6 corvette on their test laps.

you say no skill in launching a vehicle. there is this thing, its called reaction time... thats skill. pretty sure you couldnt launch like some of the NHRA drivers do.

also, your fact that "American cars cant corner" maybe was true back in the 60-80's but now adays the Corvette can hang with most Luxo Sports cars, and the Z06 hasnt even been tested by Top Gear. also, you mention the SRT-10 i cant find any info really on wins etc, but again American cars with the LeMans event last year, wasnt it a 1-2 placing also?

i was staying out of this thread because there are some ignorant posts by just about everyone. but i just had to post a few things

Jenova314: here are a few more things about your 3.5L v6, vs say the LS2.

the weight of the 3.5L V6 im pretty sure is as much if not more than the LS2, and a few others of the Small block variant. that is why the small blocks are such large and attractive is because they are lightweight and very easy to modify.

MIKE
 

finbarqs

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on top gear, the ferraris and porsches are street legal. They come stock that way. Same as the viper. Okay the viper isn't slow, but it isn't worth all that buzz. American cars can corner, just not as well as the europeans. The focus on european cars has never been brute force. It usually was never about pushing as much HP as possible. But rather, they like to focus on the Power to weight ratio. How many HP's they can crunch per liter. Just like AMD and Pentium M processors. It's not the L2 cache that makes it amazingly fast, but it's the instructions per clock.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: finbarqs
on top gear, the ferraris and porsches are street legal. They come stock that way. Same as the viper. Okay the viper isn't slow, but it isn't worth all that buzz. American cars can corner, just not as well as the europeans. The focus on european cars has never been brute force. It usually was never about pushing as much HP as possible. But rather, they like to focus on the Power to weight ratio. How many HP's they can crunch per liter. Just like AMD and Pentium M processors. It's not the L2 cache that makes it amazingly fast, but it's the instructions per clock.

Different culture obviously... those European cars you mention aren't exactly around the same price as a Viper or a Z06. If you want to bring up your FQ 400... that's a specialty vehicle... if you want to go that way you might as well bring along a Dodge Viper ACR. I don't even know why I'm defending domestics here since I'm not a domestic fanboy. I hope you don't mean power/weight = HP/liter... because that's how I read that.