Is there any onboboard video as good as an ATI X 1650 Pro?

[Denis54]

Is there any motherboard (AMD or Intel) with onboard video that is as good or better than an ATI X1650 Pro?

I want to give my computer to my daughter and build a new one for me. I am not a gamer. If possible I would like to buy a MB with onboard performance at least equal to my X1650.

 

[happy medium]

This Gigabyte board has the 4200 Amd graphics on board for 80$ shipped.
Should be just a notch slower then a 1650 pro.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128394

Pair it with a x4 620 Amd cpu for 99$ more.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Sadly, no onboard is up there yet. You could purchase a new or used 1650 to a 3650 sub $30. on FS/FT and newegg at times i've see them that cheap.

The AMD 4550 is right in between the 1650 and the 2600 series if you decide to go to a new series.

 

[firewolfsm]

Actually I think the 4300 IGP will compete with the 1650. It only has 4 PPs which should compare well with 32 SPs.

 

[nyker96]

i think my 785g onboard is fairly good. it plays 1080p HD x264 no problem uses little cpu. but i wouldn't try playing games with it though, not for that type of thing.

it also has full acceleration in win 7.

 

[Fox5]

Yeah, the 785g should give it a good run.
So should nvidia's 9300.

 

[tcsenter]

Actually I think the 4300 IGP will compete with the 1650. It only has 4 PPs which should compare well with 32 SPs.

4300 is not an IGP.

 

[M0RPH]

If indeed the 785g is comparable, then you should also add Intel's new HD graphics IGP (found in Clarkdale i3's) to your list since the AT review showed it to be competitive wiith the 790gx (and 790gx > 785g).

 

[tcsenter]

785G would lose except perhaps in DX10 performance and decoding support for advanced HD formats. Not by much, but it would lose. OP wants an IGP that is "at least" equal in performance to X1650 PRO, which is another way of saying "not less than".

For that, he'll need to wait for the next generation of IGP products.

 

[Fox5]

785G would lose except perhaps in DX10 performance and decoding support for advanced HD formats. Not by much, but it would lose. OP wants an IGP that is "at least" equal in performance to X1650 PRO, which is another way of saying "not less than".

For that, he'll need to wait for the next generation of IGP products.

Hmm, I remember the x1650pro being laughed at for its poor performance when it came out (though not as much as the x1300), yet it holds at least a 2 to 1 fillrate advantage over the best igp.

 

[SlickR12345]

Maybe just buy a 8500GT? they go for around $25, or 20 euros.
Anyways the new Intel DH55TC has good enough, but Intel motherboards and CPU's are generally more expensive than AMD.

Other than that I'm not too sure about motherboards, especially the ones with IGP inside.

 

[tcsenter]

If past experience is any predictor, you'll want to wait for at least six months of driver refinement before taking the plunge on any new Intel IGP.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well if all the above is true just buy a $99 dollar I3 and I cheap M/B and your up todate with an ass kicking cpu to boot. Is that not true fellas.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If past experience is any predictor, you'll want to wait for at least six months of driver refinement before taking the plunge on any new Intel IGP.

Pure BS .

 

[blanketyblank]

Just get a cheap video card so you have more options on what mobo to get.
I've seen lots of video cards under $30 that are pretty decent.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Hay I got a an ati 120 add in card I will give you if you want it . But to be honest its crap

 

[ShawnD1]

i think my 785g onboard is fairly good. it plays 1080p HD x264 no problem uses little cpu. but i wouldn't try playing games with it though, not for that type of thing.

I'll agree with this one. The last computer I built has an integrated Radeon 4200 and it's pretty damn good. HD playback works perfect.

 

[tcsenter]

Pure BS .

Oh, you mean it is a figment of my imagination that Intel has taken MONTHS to get features working on their past few IGP launches?

 

[drew726]

Id get a used video card from the forums here

 

[Pederv]

Tom's Hardware graphic charts show the 1600 pro scoring below 1000 in 3DMark 2006, I have data on a 4850 X2 on 785 chipset scoring 1340 in 3DMark06.

 

[exar333]

Oh, you mean it is a figment of my imagination that Intel has taken MONTHS to get features working on their past few IGP launches?

Yes, you are grossly misinformed and it is obvious you have not read any Clarksdale reviews.

The IGP works great, and can even do HD-audio bit-streaming without any issues. The new IGP is pretty fast (not quite as fast at AMD/NV, but close) and has a lot of features.

 

[tcsenter]

Yes, you are grossly misinformed and it is obvious you have not read any Clarksdale reviews.

Thank you for the Intel PR spiel. And welcome to computers.

Those of us who have been doing this longer than six months keenly remember the past few Intel IGPs were launched with missing features that took MONTHS to enable or or bugs that took MONTHS to fix. e.g. X3000 and X3100 are perfect examples, which lacked hardware SM3.0/T&L support for nearly one year. And we also remember Intel freely admitting these problems:

"It is a fact that there have been problems with Intel graphics drivers in the past." -- Chuck DeSylva (Software Applications Engineering Manager @ Intel)

Intel continues to have mode-setting and repeater issues with external TVs and receivers due to piss-poor VGA BIOS and driver implementations, at rates that far exceed ATI or NVIDIA:

"As of the latest (15.8) Vista drivers, HDCP for a very common usage model is broken on Intel graphics (G965, GM965, G33, G35)...It is not happening with ATI or Nvidia solutions, nor with other HDMI devices (HD DVD or Blu-ray players). It's isolated to Intel graphics." -- Aaron Brezenski (Engineer/product developer @ Intel)

"G965 and G35 suffered from stuttering every 15 seconds or so at 24 Hz display refresh rate on Blu-ray before support for that refresh over HDMI was unceremoniously pulled in the 15.8 drivers...But currently on G45, 24 Hz refresh Blu-ray playback, which is of interest to those who want the best video quality, is still broken." -- Aaron Brezenski


Enthusiasts (with the assistance of Intel employees) have been forced to create "how-to" guides to address or work-around Intel's problems. Even creating software utilities to assist with some of the technical aspects.

Clarksdale (still broken):

Screen tearing during Blu-Ray playback at 24fps on Intel DH55DC / i3-530