Is there animosity against Elderly Asians from some in the black community?

[Indus]

I still think you are full of shit over the shopping cart mafia. You have refused to have any kind of meaningful discussion about your claims. Personally I think you took something very minor and in the way of so many of your posts blew it way up in your mind until it was a life and death struggle against evil to justify your own dislike of immigrants. Of course you have presented zero evidence of anyone being an immigrant to begin with so there is that as well.

Also the OP didn’t say anything about being there when the incident happened.

Also all these claims of assault and no one calls the police? Bullshit. In your case no store manager is going stand by while their customers are harassed over shopping carts. Like I said you are full of shit.

You can believe whatever the fuck you want because you're going to do that anyway.. just like an average Trumper.

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.. no what you show me isn't adequate proof.. I believe Trump anyways.

Why the fuck would I waste my time with you?

 

[brycejones]

You can believe whatever the fuck you want because you're going to do that anyway.. just like an average Trumper.

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.. no what you show me isn't adequate proof.. I believe Trump anyways.

Why the fuck would I waste my time with you?

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I am more than willing to look at evidence but your overly emotional response tells me you have none.

Surely the OP’s parents filed a police report. Surely you and your wife called the police to report the assault and filed a report. Shit did you even call the store to complain?

Prove me wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

I like the way that Brits look at things through the lens of the class war and Americans look at things through the lens of racial issues!

I like the way nobody looks at it the way it really is, projected self hate.

 

[trenchfoot]

Two words for you : Bell curve.

I may be dragging the thread OT, but I just wanted say that I would've been really happy to have had Donald Trump in any of my classes knowing just what he'd do to the class bell curve.

 

[Moonbeam]

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I am more than willing to look at evidence but your overly emotional response tells me you have none.

Surely the OP’s parents filed a police report. Surely you and your wife called the police to report the assault and filed a report. Shit did you even call the store to complain?

Prove me wrong.

I suppose that because I don’t lie I take people at their word on this forum when telling their stories. What the fuck do I lose if they are lying.

Am I married. If I were you would box me up and put me in your married chump box and if I said I was single I’d go into your single chump box any time either matter came up. It is the nature of self haters to use personal data to insult others. Self hate is almost universal.

 

[brycejones]

I suppose that because I don’t lie I take people at their word on this forum when telling their stories. What the fuck do I lose if they are lying.

Am I married. If I were you would box me up and put me in your married chump box and if I said I was single I’d go into your single chump box any time either matter came up. It is the nature of self haters to use personal data to insult others. Self hate is almost universal.

I do believe indus is honest in their dislike, hatred even of immigrants and Muslims to the point where there is motivation for them to be dishonest.

No one should be assaulted or subjected to threats of physical violence if those things happened to Indus and their wife that behavior is unacceptable. Also unacceptable is lying about or exaggerating minor interactions to stoke dislike of others. As described the infamous shopping cart incident appears to be the latter.

 

[Moonbeam]

I do believe indus is honest in their dislike, hatred even of immigrants and Muslims to the point where there is motivation for them to be dishonest.

No one should be assaulted or subjected to threats of physical violence if those things happened to Indus and their wife that behavior is unacceptable. Also unacceptable is lying about or exaggerating minor interactions to stoke dislike of others. As described the infamous shopping cart incident appears to be the latter.

I believe this is your honest opinion. What I question is your need to have it. Isn’t it enough to know that to be a bigot one has to lie to oneself? You are expressing contempt for bigoted behavior which to me can’t be justified because feeling contempt for others just harms you and will do nothing to improve the other person. A bigot is already fucked. Any lies they tell is just minor additional frosting on the cake.

What fractures the cold dead heart of a bigot, in my opinion is love. I know exactly the rage you feel toward the damage bigotry does and my whole life experience is a desire to curse the world I live in. I feel all the hate bigots do. Their presence in the world offends me. They trigger me, they make me feel like they do, but can this be what is really healthy?

Should I not feel instead compassion for their sickness, that they hate what they should love? The only bigot in the world I can maybe fix is me.

The brother of my stepmother was a football lineman jock, a specimen of physical beauty and an an enlisted Navy sailor, hit on by many a gay man he’d proudly talk about beating up. And low and behold he had two daughters, one a feminist and gay rights supporter and my other cousin, a wonderful brilliant full of life loving lesbian dynamo. Imagine what that did to the conservative bigotry of his and my deeply Republican Mother.

I cannot accept this feeling that it is others who soil my world because I believe there others who have left hatred behind. I have been in the presence of such people and think what I see is real.

At the moment I am trying to discover what payback I think I get from anger. It’s likely some sort of chemical addiction but I feel there is a subjective experience I need to find. I know that it, the anger, is there when I forget to be awake. So when that happens I try to be here in the now.

 

[brycejones]

I believe this is your honest opinion. What I question is your need to have it. Isn’t it enough to know that to be a bigot one has to lie to oneself? You are expressing contempt for bigoted behavior which to me can’t be justified because feeling contempt for others just harms you and will do nothing to improve the other person. A bigot is already fucked. Any lies they tell is just minor additional frosting on the cake.

What fractures the cold dead heart of a bigot, in my opinion is love. I know exactly the rage you feel toward the damage bigotry does and my whole life experience is a desire to curse the world I live in. I feel all the hate bigots do. Their presence in the world offends me. They trigger me, they make me feel like they do, but can this be what is really healthy?

Should I not feel instead compassion for their sickness, that they hate what they should love? The only bigot in the world I can maybe fix is me.

The brother of my stepmother was a football lineman jock, a specimen of physical beauty and an an enlisted Navy sailor, hit on by many a gay man he’d proudly talk about beating up. And low and behold he had two daughters, one a feminist and gay rights supporter and my other cousin, a wonderful brilliant full of life loving lesbian dynamo. Imagine what that did to the conservative bigotry of his and my deeply Republican Mother.

I cannot accept this feeling that it is others who soil my world because I believe there others who have left hatred behind. I have been in the presence of such people and think what I see is real.

At the moment I am trying to discover what payback I think I get from anger. It’s likely some sort of chemical addiction but I feel there is a subjective experience I need to find. I know that it, the anger, is there when I forget to be awake. So when that happens I try to be here in the now.

You do you

 

[pmv]

Personally I think you took something very minor and in the way of so many of your posts blew it way up in your mind until it was a life and death struggle against evil to justify your own dislike of immigrants.

Seems to me that everyone does that in one way or another. There's something psychologically-unsatisfying about concluding you just ran into an unpleasant individual and just being angry with that one person (that you'll probably never meet again). It feels much more satisfying if you can construct a general theory out of it and blame an entire category of people.

How many times have I seen newspaper articles by educated professional commentator types who should know better, launching into a 'decline of civilisation'/'young people today'/men-are-all-misogynists/cyclists-are-a-menace/society-is-falling-apart or other grand rant, based entirely on one random incident that just happened to them - e.g. that someone bumped into them with a shopping trolley in the supermarket and swore at them instead of apologising (IIRC that one triggered a "society is collapsing" thinkpiece from Alexander Chancellor)?

I've frequently done it myself - when I briefly lived in a small town, every time I had a bad interaction with a stranger, I'd find myself mentally constructing grand theories about how innately unpleasant small-town people are (see, it's because the pace of life is slower there, they have so much more time on their hands to get into pointless petty disputes).

It has to be something about the way our brains work - general theories and blaming large groups is just so much more psychologically consoling than just blaming random bad luck or being angry with one random stranger.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems to me that everyone does that in one way or another. There's something psychologically-unsatisfying about concluding you just ran into an unpleasant individual and just being angry with that one person (that you'll probably never meet again). It feels much more satisfying if you can construct a general theory out of it and blame an entire category of people.

How many times have I seen newspaper articles by educated professional commentator types who should know better, launching into a 'decline of civilisation'/'young people today'/men-are-all-misogynists/cyclists-are-a-menace/society-is-falling-apart or other grand rant, based entirely on one random incident that just happened to them - e.g. that someone bumped into them with a shopping trolley in the supermarket and swore at them instead of apologising (IIRC that one triggered a "society is collapsing" thinkpiece from Alexander Chancellor)?

I've frequently done it myself - when I briefly lived in a small town, every time I had a bad interaction with a stranger, I'd find myself mentally constructing grand theories about how innately unpleasant small-town people are (see, it's because the pace of life is slower there, they have so much more time on their hands to get into pointless petty disputes).

It has to be something about the way our brains work - general theories and blaming large groups is just so much more psychologically consoling than just blaming random bad luck or being angry with one random stranger.

I bet it has something to do with the way our brains work that we ask questions we have no desire to know the answers to and will ignore any who do know. What foods these morsels be.

 

[Moonbeam]

You do you

This is a dishonest reply. What you mean is to say is, “There’s no way in hell I will consider anything that challenges my deranged thinking.”

Do you seriously think I wouldn’t know your reaction? In my post I explicitly stated that I am you and I do do us. I simple added that we are insane. Like me, you are a coward.

“You may be a one-eyed Jack, dad, but I seen the other side of your face.”

 

[brycejones]

This is a dishonest reply. What you mean is to say is, “There’s no way in hell I will consider anything that challenges my deranged thinking.”

Do you seriously think I wouldn’t know your reaction? In my post I explicitly stated that I am you and I do do us. I simple added that we are insane. Like me, you are a coward.

“You may be a one-eyed Jack, dad, but I seen the other side of your face.”

have a good one moonie

 

[Moonbeam]

have a good one moonie

Can anybody be truly happy while others suffer?

 

[brycejones]

Can anybody be truly happy while others suffer?

Sure because you point out we are all insane.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure because you point out we are all insane.

What bothers you most, the fact that I am part of that 'we', or that you might be?

 

[HomerJS]

Update, both my elderly Asian parents were assult by a black woman today. This is now personal for me

Let’s see, two assaults within <3 years? In addition to those very long odds even assuming you in the OP blamed the first attack on racism. Now because nobody paid attention to you we have yet another attack which I assume you blame on racism again?

I am officially in the camp of you are completely full of horseshit. Nice try at a creation of a boogeyman. Even if your so called first physical assault happened you gave no evidence race was a motive. People are victims of random crime. My car was stolen earlier this year. Since I don’t know who it was let’s just say it was racist Guatemalans

 

[WelshBloke]

I like the way nobody looks at it the way it really is, projected self hate.

I'm not sure you can reduce "inequality exists but we look at it in different ways because of the culture we are brought up in" to "inequality exists because you hate yourself"!

 

[cytg111]

Wonder why this popped one month out.....

 

[brycejones]

Wonder why this popped one month out.....

Exactly

 

[WelshBloke]

Wonder why this popped one month out.....

Divide and rule!

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not sure you can reduce "inequality exists but we look at it in different ways because of the culture we are brought up in" to "inequality exists because you hate yourself"!

Have you noticed that often when someone wants to dispute or question some point someone else made as is the case here, they will often restate the the point in question in terms that make it sound obviously ridiculous? It seems to me that you have put what I said about the origins of two different phenomenon into a cause, 'inequality' that I was not trying to make. Take the examples I equated here, racism and class consciousness. These are two things that amount to or create social inequality but that is not my point.

What I see in each that amounts to the same thing, namely self hate, is that in the case of the race consciousness the motivation behind it is need to justify a feeling of superiority to someone else based on meaningless racial differences and in the second, the need to feel superior to other people based on social rank. All emotional needs to feel superior to others are based on a fear of being inferior and exposed to the ridicule people heap on inferior people because they themselves fear that very judgment themselves.

You can't fear inferiority without having experiences that kind of ridicule yourself. Nobody feels inferior to anything without learning first hand what it feels like to be told you are worthless yourself. And the only way you can feel worthless is to have bought in to the feeling that you actually are if you dare ever to cast off whatever chains you have been made to wear. Have to go now.

 

[WelshBloke]

Have you noticed that often when someone wants to dispute or question some point someone else made as is the case here, they will often restate the the point in question in terms that make it sound obviously ridiculous? It seems to me that you have put what I said about the origins of two different phenomenon into a cause, 'inequality' that I was not trying to make. Take the examples I equated here, racism and class consciousness. These are two things that amount to or create social inequality but that is not my point.

But that is the point that's being discussed. Coopting an argument to make an entirely different point is disingenuous and suggests that you are pushing a narrative.

What I see in each that amounts to the same thing, namely self hate, is that in the case of the race consciousness the motivation behind it is need to justify a feeling of superiority to someone else based on meaningless racial differences and in the second, the need to feel superior to other people based on social rank. All emotional needs to feel superior to others are based on a fear of being inferior and exposed to the ridicule people heap on inferior people because they themselves fear that very judgment themselves.

Again this aligns with my above point.

You can't fear inferiority without having experiences that kind of ridicule yourself. Nobody feels inferior to anything without learning first hand what it feels like to be told you are worthless yourself. And the only way you can feel worthless is to have bought in to the feeling that you actually are if you dare ever to cast off whatever chains you have been made to wear. Have to go now.

I mean people are treated as inferiors without any internal self inflicted things. That's what racism and clasism is. When you turn around and do the "but self hate..." thing it's throwing the blame in entirely the wrong direction.

 

[positivedoppler]

Let’s see, two assaults within <3 years? In addition to those very long odds even assuming you in the OP blamed the first attack on racism. Now because nobody paid attention to you we have yet another attack which I assume you blame on racism again?

I am officially in the camp of you are completely full of horseshit. Nice try at a creation of a boogeyman. Even if your so called first physical assault happened you gave no evidence race was a motive. People are victims of random crime. My car was stolen earlier this year. Since I don’t know who it was let’s just say it was racist Guatemalans

The woman bounced my mother's head against the cement ground so FU! you total piece of shit.

 

[brycejones]

The woman bounced my mother's head against the cement ground so FU! you total piece of shit.

Court case? Police report? Local media?

 

[HomerJS]

The woman bounced my mother's head against the cement ground so FU! you total piece of shit.

Still not buying it. You blame the first attack on racism yet provided ZERO evidence. You expect people to but a SECOND attack??

Two assaults within 3 years coincidently by black people BOTH racially motivated? Get the hell outta here!

This is such a Trumpian accusation like black people stealing and eating pets. Frankly I'm tired of it. The Haitians of Springfield have more to fear than you. Bomb threats.

Busnisses with Haitian employees threatened

A Springfield businessman defended Haitians. Now neo-Nazis are threatening his family

‘They come to work every day. They don’t cause drama. They’re on time’, Jamie McGregor had said

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Haitians having guns aimed at them.

Springfield man accused of aiming gun at Haitian neighbors

SPRINGFIELD, Ohio (WKEF) -- A Springfield man is being accused of aiming a gun at his Haitian neighbors. on Saturday, September 21 at 10:40 p.m.According to a C

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This is called EVIDENCE