is there a Software cable descrambler for Tv tuners?

lsd

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First off..
**i DO rent and pay for cable**

I got a tv tuner card beacuse i didn`t feel like buying another televison set for my home office. I thought All the channels i subscribe to on my cable account would show up, they don`t. Most cable channels are scrammbled.
Is their any software that can descrammble NTSC signals? I know their are many out for PAL.
thnx
 

dkozloski

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There are a myriad of schemes for scrambling cable TV signals. My local cable company inverts the video signal. Some amplitude modulate the video with 60 cycle AC. Some filter out sync pulses. Before you can start to descramble it you must first know what they are doing to it.
 

AndrewR

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Actually, there is a beta NTSC cable descrambler floating around the Net. Some guys in the Netherlands had it on their website for awhile before they were forced to pull it. It was somewhat of a port for the PAL version (Euro TV -- there are dozens of those), and I haven't checked on updates for it since my tuner is not connected right now.

However, it was only black and white and couldn't do sound. It did descramble the Hot Network though. ;)

My wife is on her computer right now, but I'll get the name of it when she's done -- it's sitting on that system.
 

Dark4ng3l

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well here you can get a "black box" witch will descramble every scrambled tv signal. I would think a program can be capable of doing this.
 

lsd

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Yeah i have that beta ntsc descrambler (freetv?). But it doesn`t do anything worth while for me. It produces only black and white images but with no sound. It also doesn`t work with win2k.
I found plans for a little descrambler box and i`m thinking about making one.
 

dkozloski

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When you get caught with a descrambler you get to go back and pay for every program that was available to be seen the entire time you had the device. In a notable case I read about on a news service, the offender was given the choice of admitting liability for hundreds of thousands of dolars in charges or years in the bucket. Theft of services can be prosecuted as a felony. Is anything to be seen in that vast wasteland known as TVland worth it? The service provider can file a criminal complaint against you, law enforcement can get a search warrant, and you get fitted for chrome bracelets. All it takes is some big-mouthed "friend" droppng the dime on you.
 

lsd

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Well i don`t know here you live dkozloskim, but "Cable stealing" is common in new york city. Chances of a paying subscriber getting caught is rather slim. TWC would rather go after the non paying subscribers.
 

dkozloski

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lsd, I hope you like he holding cells at Rikers Island. Bubba and LeRoy are waiting for you.
 

BW

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Sombody let me know if you find out somthing. BTW if you get cought here in kc,mo where i live its only a fine.Nobody's going to prison and getting ass fukked you freak.
 

RobsTV

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You ARE allowed to own your own method of descrambler, provided
you only descamble what you are paying for! Let's say you have a
box from the cable company that allows you to get Showtime. So you
pay the extra $20 a month for that 1 channel on that 1 TV. You can
use your OWN descrabler to also get that channel in another room
of your home, as long as you are not watching it with the original
box. You paid for the ability to watch it on 1 TV. It's up to you
how you go about that.

As to stealing cable, that is a joke. They are using scare tactics
to try to get you to pay for something that they can not tell if
you are paying or not. Invasion of privacy claims keeps them from
actually knowing what you are doing, and rightfully so. What they
say and what they do are 2 totally different things. If you do as
I did once before, and climb the pole to connect the cable, if they
find it connected they disconnect it and that's it! No fines or
bills or nothing. Just because cable is going into your home does
NOT mean you are using it. They will check back for a week or so
to see if it's connected again, and if so, they will send you a
warning letter that tells you to stop connecting the cable or you
will be fined. But, still no fine at that point, just a warning.
If you waited a few weeks to reconnect the cable, chances are you
are good to go again, until they have a need to climb the pole for
servicing another customer, which could be years. This is not guessing
on my part, (which it seems many people are doing here), but has
been tested by many.

My only point is that since this is the worst case of stealing cable,
yet they do nothing to 95% of the people, how or why do you expect
them to know or do anything about the 100's of thousands that are
paying for cable, yet getting a couple extra channels for free?

Of course a few cable employess will respond to this thread that I
am full of it, and that they prosecute all, and other shills will
say how there buddy got busted and thrown in jail. Don't believe it!
Unless you are making money off of this, they worst they will do is
give you a warning for a first offense, but they must first figure
out how to catch you.

BTW, I pay $400 a year month for basic cable, and I would never buy
a box that allows me to get every channel at no additional charge
for a one time fee of $150 to $200. Never. If the cable company
changes formats, the box could be useless. :D
 

anazoal

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It seems strange there are tens of programs to descramble European cable and satellite TV signals, yet nothing similar in the U.S. Could it be the threat of legal action?

RobsTV, I agree with you for the most part, but what if the cable company asked permission to enter your house to "service" something, and you (or someone in your house) was watching something illegally? ...One does tend to get careless after a time. I think software on a PC would be a lot "safer".
 

dkozloski

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If you want to see a channel in another room why not just pay the additional $3.00/mo. for a second descrambler box that's programmed to match the original. It won't take you 30 minutes to install a splitter and string a cable.
For all you people who want to play the odds on getting caught, just remember that having integrity is doing the right thing even when no one's looking. If you want to sell your integrity in exchange for the crap they show on TV these days, I guess you know what it's worth.
 

BW

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I already have 2 boxes from time warner. I pay 100.00 bucks a month for cable, 3 Hbo's and 2 maxe's plus another 40 bucks for my roadrunner connection. Im not about to pay another fee just so i can sit and see the movie channels on my tv card. It would be nice to have them though. So if somone finds a sofware to unscrammble this i wouldnt consider it stealing.
 

sandorski

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$100 US/month, holy crap man go get a satellite dish! Pay $50/month for all the channels you want, then get as many receivers you want using the one account.
 

dkozloski

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Rigoletto, as a matter of fact I designed and built my own cable descrambler about 15 years ago. The local cable company just inverts the video. I ran the video output of the tuner built into my VCR through the inverting side of a differential video amp to a Radio Shack channel 3/4 modulator used for old Pong games. I ran the audio output of the VCR througn an opamp for leveling to the audio side of the RS modulator. I had to add a few RC circuits for pulse shaping and DC restoration but the result was a pretty decent picture but some 60cycle buzz in the sound. I selected channels with the VCR and took the output from the RS modulator. After I proved to myself that I could do it, I took it out because I realized that: 1)There was nothing on TV worth risking time in the slammer. 2) I'm chicken. I noticed the gadget the other day while going through my junk box.