Is there a silent majority that will decide this election?

[glenn1]

No we were well past the wave of 'murica and Democrats were finally finding their voice and the courage to oppose the WOT. Kerry was positioned well to win and fumbled worst than Gore.

Although if Clinton loses to Trump that will be the greatest choke of all time. OF ALL TIME

Incumbency played a part but moreso it was that Kerry didn't run a particularly good campaign. Putting a huge focus on his limited military experience as a primary qualification wasn't smart and wound up backfiring on him when the Swiftboat guys came around. His reputation (fair or not) as a flip flopper was a strike against him and saying things like "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" made him look like an idiot to voters. Finally his position and votes on Iraq didn't really create a clear distinction between he and Bush for voters to favor him. http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/kerry-spins-his-record-on-iraq/

Not saying he would have been a bad choice or that he would have done better than Bush, but you can't shoot yourself in the foot and expect to win either. What perplexes me is why Gore didn't run again in 2004 because he would have done far better than Kerry IMHO and would have won the second go-around.

 

[Zor Prime]

Agreed. The only local Trump supporters I am personally blessed to know are the rednecks and trailer park folks who see Trump as a big broom to sweep away the darkies. The only Trump Policies they care about are his willingness to use nukes and the crusades against Mexicans and Muslims. To a woman (and a few men) they are quite excited about going to war because they are so scared of anyone who is not lily white. They have not one clue of his economic policies and truthfully they are mostly on welfare already anyhow. It truly is deplorable.

Trump isn't going to begin any 'new' wars, he's a pacifist that tells a tall tale so these people you describe would be sorely disappointed. Note I said began, if America got attacked we'd hit back harder (i.e., like he does with words). Now if you want to begin a war, Clinton's your gal.

There is a sizable number of Trump supporters at my place of employment, one of the big traditional IT companies. Far cry from your rednecks. And a lot of them don't announce they're supporting Trump, but I know they are from personal conversations. At work, I don't even know of a single Hillary supporter (I'm sure they're around, somewhere, has to be).

Funny how different areas bring different results.

 

[theeedude]

I haven't seen any open Trump support. I think most people here at least know better than to announce to the world that they are stupid enough to vote for Trump.

 

[Roflmouth]

Agreed. The only local Trump supporters I am personally blessed to know are the rednecks and trailer park folks who see Trump as a big broom to sweep away the darkies. The only Trump Policies they care about are his willingness to use nukes and the crusades against Mexicans and Muslims. To a woman (and a few men) they are quite excited about going to war because they are so scared of anyone who is not lily white. They have not one clue of his economic policies and truthfully they are mostly on welfare already anyhow. It truly is deplorable.

Yes, I'm sure these people you've completely invented out of whole cloth are real. BTW, do you normally refer to minorities as "darkies?"

 

[pcgeek11]

Too true. At this point, Trump has managed to degrade discourse to the level of grunts & gossip.

I thought we were supposed to be an advanced civilization rather than Medieval witch burners.

Are you saying that Hillary is a Medieval Witch?

People wouldn't gossip as much if Hillary were more forthcoming with the actual truth, instead of the half truths and lies.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Are you saying that Hillary is a Medieval Witch?

People wouldn't gossip as much if Hillary were more forthcoming with the actual truth, instead of the half truths and lies.

We should just check her medical records to determine if she weighs the same as a duck and be done with it

 

[pcgeek11]

LOL.

 

[dainthomas]

Are you saying that Hillary is a Medieval Witch?

People wouldn't gossip as much if Hillary were more forthcoming with the actual truth, instead of the half truths and lies.

If she's not a medieval witch, why doesn't she just say so? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING HILLARY!?!?

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't know about a silent majority, but she is managing to piss off blue collar white voters with her deplorables comment and already pissed off millennials once it became obvious the DNC sabotaged Sanders. If she loses, it will be because she lost those demographics and also failed to excite and mobilize her core

 

[Roflmouth]

I don't know about a silent majority, but she is managing to piss off blue collar white voters with her deplorables comment and already pissed off millennials once it became obvious the DNC sabotaged Sanders. If she loses, it will be because she lost those demographics and also failed to excite and mobilize her core

No, you don't understand. Insulting millions of potential voters is the way to go. She just didn't call enough Americans "deplorables."

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump recently said half of americans are losers, not a peep from the media compared to HRC's.

 

[dainthomas]

No, you don't understand. Insulting millions of potential voters is the way to go. She just didn't call enough Americans "deplorables."

Trump and his fans dish it out constantly, but it is laughably obvious that they're incapable of taking it.

 

[theeedude]

Trump and his fans dish it out constantly, but it is laughably obvious that they're incapable of taking it.

They have been taking it since Reagan, just too stupid to realize how much they've been had. But I guess they think if only Trump wins, it will FINALLY trickle down.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't know about a silent majority, but she is managing to piss off blue collar white voters with her deplorables comment and already pissed off millennials once it became obvious the DNC sabotaged Sanders. If she loses, it will be because she lost those demographics and also failed to excite and mobilize her core

So, you assign racism, sexism, xenophobia & the rest to white blue collar workers? That probably pisses them off more than anything Hillary said. She didn't specify any class distinctions as to the economic status of "deplorables" but you apparently do. Just another way to look down on your social "inferiors", huh?

You then return to the well worn meme that Bernie was somehow sabotaged in the usual vague fashion of concern trolls stirring the shit with a canoe paddle.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Trump recently said half of americans are losers, not a peep from the media compared to HRC's.

An obvious example of the overt media support for Clinton.

 

[Artorias]

To be honest as an outside observe here in Canada I think that fact the Hillary isn't running away with it in a landslide(may still happen on election day) says a lot.

I think the best case scenario is Hillary serves two years, passes the torch to the VP to be interim and you Americans go to the polls again because you guys seriously need a do over.

I cant believe in a country with so much diversity all you get are these shitty politicians that rise to the top, seriously, choose some better nominees.

 

[dainthomas]

To be honest as an outside observe here in Canada I think that fact the Hillary isn't running away with it in a landslide(may still happen on election day) says a lot.

I think the best case scenario is Hillary serves two years, passes the torch to the VP to be interim and you Americans go to the polls again because you guys seriously need a do over.

I cant believe in a country with so much diversity all you get are these shitty politicians that rise to the top, seriously, choose some better nominees.

It's such a crap job no one with any sense would want it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So, you assign racism, sexism, xenophobia & the rest to white blue collar workers? That probably pisses them off more than anything Hillary said. She didn't specify any class distinctions as to the economic status of "deplorables" but you apparently do. Just another way to look down on your social "inferiors", huh?

You then return to the well worn meme that Bernie was somehow sabotaged in the usual vague fashion of concern trolls stirring the shit with a canoe paddle.

I am not making those connections, but the data is. Polls over the last two days are attributing Hillary losses amongst blue collar voters in PA, VA and OH to the deplorables comment. The deplorables comment was a miscalculation. Maybe some voters are tired of the identity politics fear driven nonsense. It's all over the media, even sites typically friendly to Clinton.

Similarly, the Bernie vote is breaking for Stein, Johnson and some even to Trump. Many Millenials feel burned by what the DNC pulled. It's not a meme. It was in the emails. DWS got canned for it.

Keep living in denial as the Clinton campaign has been since the convention.

 

[hal2kilo]

I am not making those connections, but the data is. Polls over the last two days are attributing Hillary losses amongst blue collar voters in PA, VA and OH to the deplorables comment. The deplorables comment was a miscalculation. Maybe some voters are tired of the identity politics fear driven nonsense. It's all over the media, even sites typically friendly to Clinton.

Similarly, the Bernie vote is breaking for Stein, Johnson and some even to Trump. Many Millenials feel burned by what the DNC pulled. It's not a meme. It was in the emails. DWS got canned for it.

Keep living in denial as the Clinton campaign has been since the convention.

I don't know what's worse, an actual Trump supporter, or you pretending you are not.

 

[MongGrel]

I always thought of the silent majority as some of a fantasy thing to begin with.

I'd suspect there might be silent groups of minority's ight play a big role in this election.

We'll see.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't know what's worse, an actual Trump supporter, or you pretending you are not.

I acknowledge Clinton as the more rationale choice. I have done so on many occasions. As an Eisenhower conservative with libertarian leanings, neither Trump nor Clinton appeal to me. I do find it amusing that all of the arguments of Clinton as the more experienced and electable candidate is starting to fracture as the polls inexplicitely tighten. She has a coughing fit during a debate or more damning emails come to light and she is toast.

And should that happen, who should we blame then? Those who nominated her.

 

[chowderhead]

Well, it was incumbency, but by the '04 election the Iraq War had become unpopular. No WMD's found + Abu Graib. Bush was vulnerable.

In 2004, Karl Rove and various state GOP got states to put on Constitutional votes banning gay marriage. The most important state voting was Ohio which brought out a lot of evangelicals to vote for the ban. Bush probably won Ohio because of the gay marraige ban vote. It was a good strategy for the GOP and the last time they won the popular vote.

 

[Slew Foot]

I was having a beer a couple nights ago with a friend and the TV above the bar was showing Trump and Clinton saying stuff, but we couldn't hear because the volume was turned down. I looked over and asked him what he thought about the whole thing and who did he think was gonna win? He said, if you look at the polls, sometimes I think Clinton, sometimes I think Trump, but the polls shift. I said I realize that, but in your gut who do you think is gonna win? He was like...I don't know. I pressed him again, who do you think will win....who would you like to win? He looked around him, looked at the bartender, then leaned over and sort of whispered...Trump. So, I asked, why do you think that? He said, I really don't want to talk about this in here. Whatever. We drank a couple more beers and shot the shit about misc stuff.

We finally tabbed out and headed out the door. Once in the parking lot, I asked him why he was so quiet about his thoughts on the election? He said there are so many people around that will call you names, racist, etc., if you show that you support Trump. He feels there are many like himself, who are afraid to be vocal about it. If that's the silent majority, it might make sense. In all fairness though, I don't find many people who openly support Clinton either. Who knows??? I find more support, for both candidates, in anonymous forums, where people can post what they think.

As for me, I'm completely off both candidates. If I had a choice I'd like a new election process with new candidates. This ain't cutting it!

Im certain there's a ton of people who are considering Trump but wont admit it because the liberal hate machine will villify anyone who doesnt grovel at the feet of their anointed queen.

 

[ivwshane]

Im certain there's a ton of people who are considering Trump but wont admit it because the liberal hate machine will villify anyone who doesnt grovel at the feet of their anointed queen.

Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not making those connections, but the data is. Polls over the last two days are attributing Hillary losses amongst blue collar voters in PA, VA and OH to the deplorables comment. The deplorables comment was a miscalculation. Maybe some voters are tired of the identity politics fear driven nonsense. It's all over the media, even sites typically friendly to Clinton.

Similarly, the Bernie vote is breaking for Stein, Johnson and some even to Trump. Many Millenials feel burned by what the DNC pulled. It's not a meme. It was in the emails. DWS got canned for it.

Keep living in denial as the Clinton campaign has been since the convention.

So Clinton was right? Or maybe it's just the result of the scurrilous attacks on her integrity over the fainting episode?