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Is there a peaceful religion?

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
atheism is peaceful
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Either that is sarcasm, or that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.
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Over 50% of all wars are fought over religion. Trust me ... it's not sarcasm
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People will kill each other over anything. Religion is a nice, easy way to paint the enemy as evil, but trust me, those who use religion as a reason to kill would quickly switch to some other reason were religion to just disappear.

That's what I don't get about the fanatical internet teenage atheists. They pick something that they feel is bad, like religion, and just hammer away at it, twisting facts and statements to fit their reasoning. They pull numbers completely out of their asses like this guy. They're doing to religion what their evil-examples did with religion, yet they feel superior.

It's an amazing thing.
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Can you prove his statement wrong?

BTW its not just "fanatical internet teenage atheists" as you say.

Most of the entire continent of Europe is moving away from Christiantity.

That being said, I do believe that Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists are in general more peaceable people then their western counterparts. There are many geo-social issues that play into this but this seems to be a very good hypothesis.
 
I have to sleep now (have lot's to do and study for school), but here's a passage of scripture that sums up the human condition succinctly and exactly. The first verse should be familiar to even some non-Christians:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." -John 3:16

V see verse in sig as well
 
Originally posted by: Crono
I have to sleep now (have lot's to do and study for school), but here's a passage of scripture that sums up the human condition succinctly and exactly. The first verse should be familiar to even some non-Christians:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." -John 3:16
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Are you just blindly quoting or do you know what that actually means?
 
Originally posted by: Crono

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." -2 Peter 1:20

Someone can claim to be Christian, but if they do not obey His Word, he is nothing but a liar or he is living in sin. The mark of a true Christian is someone who loves the Word of God and seeks to do it. There are no interpretations of the Word apart from what the Spirit gives to the man of God. That is why it is imperative for each Christian to know and obey the Word, and to have a right relationship with God. All other good things ("every good and perfect gift is from God") will follow. What were the two great commandments given before all? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind; and love your neighbor as yourself. If you follow those two commandments earnestly, you will really know peace.
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There is no way that you can prove that the Holy Spirit has given you the correct interpretation of what you read in the bible. The zealots who "misinterpret" the same words that you live by may, can, and do believe that they are directed by the Lord in their actions.

How can you place your convictions above theirs? How can you be so sure that the beliefs of others who claim the same or similar religion are not as divinely correct as your own? Did God tell you? Or do you believe that your "interpretation" is better than theirs?

If you truly believe that God accepts your view and they truly believe that God accept theirs then where does that leave someone who is trying to find the real Truth of the matter based on the convictions of the opposing sides?
 
Christianity is peaceful
Islam is peaceful (and those who think otherwise are uneducated and ignorant)
Judaism is peaceful

It's the morons who think "their way" is the "ONLY WAY" that conflict, hatred, wars, and death occurs. It's sad...but that's the way it is.

There is no ONE right religion, for someone to actually believe so is ridiculously ignorant. Logic dictates otherwise.

We have billions of people in the world...most believe one way or another based on geographic location, nothing else. Why are they wrong for believing what they believe?

Bottom-line, they're not.
 
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: Crono
I have to sleep now (have lot's to do and study for school), but here's a passage of scripture that sums up the human condition succinctly and exactly. The first verse should be familiar to even some non-Christians:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." -John 3:16
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Are you just blindly quoting or do you know what that actually means?
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Yes, I know what it means. In fact, it's very clear by itself, which is why I posted it straight as it is. If there is something you don't understand, please let me know, and, God willing, I will explain what I have understood as revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.
 
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Christianity is peaceful
Islam is peaceful (and those who think otherwise are uneducated and ignorant)
Judaism is peaceful

It's the morons who think "their way" is the "ONLY WAY" that conflict, hatred, wars, and death occurs. It's sad...but that's the way it is.

There is no ONE right religion, for someone to actually believe so is ridiculously ignorant. Logic dictates otherwise.

We have billions of people in the world...most believe one way or another based on geographic location, nothing else. Why are they wrong for believing what they believe?

Bottom-line, they're not.
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Logic dictates otherwise, yes.

But scriptures from all three religions do not.
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: Crono
I have to sleep now (have lot's to do and study for school), but here's a passage of scripture that sums up the human condition succinctly and exactly. The first verse should be familiar to even some non-Christians:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." -John 3:16
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Are you just blindly quoting or do you know what that actually means?
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Yes, I know what it means. In fact, it's very clear by itself, which is why I posted it straight as it is. If there is something you don't understand, please let me know, and, God willing, I will explain what I have understood by the Spirit and power of God.
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Please go to bed already.
 
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Can you prove his statement wrong?
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Why do I have to prove him wrong? Have you ever debated anything before? If you make a statement, especially an objective statement, the burden of proof is on you. I can say "I'm magical! Prove I'm not!".

BTW its not just "fanatical internet teenage atheists" as you say.

Most of the entire continent of Europe is moving away from Christiantity.
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Most of the entire continent of Europe may be moving away from Christianity, but do they make statements like the kids on this forum? Do they rationaly discuss the issue, or do they just say that everyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong and call people that disagree with them "sheeple" or "idiots" or what-have-you? That is the specific behavior that I am addressing here.

Do you disagree with my opinion that people would kill each other if there were no religion?
 
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Christianity is peaceful
Islam is peaceful (and those who think otherwise are uneducated and ignorant)
Judaism is peaceful

It's the morons who think "their way" is the "ONLY WAY" that conflict, hatred, wars, and death occurs. It's sad...but that's the way it is.

There is no ONE right religion, for someone to actually believe so is ridiculously ignorant. Logic dictates otherwise.

We have billions of people in the world...most believe one way or another based on geographic location, nothing else. Why are they wrong for believing what they believe?

Bottom-line, they're not.
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Logic dictates otherwise, yes.

But scriptures from all three religions do not.
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You want to show proof of that?

<--- Agnostic. I personally think being a part of organized religion is like being a sheep...but if it gives someone peace and makes him/her happy then I'm happy!
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Can you prove his statement wrong?
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Why do I have to prove him wrong? Have you ever debated anything before? If you make a statement, especially an objective statement, the burden of proof is on you. I can say "I'm magical! Prove I'm not!".

BTW its not just "fanatical internet teenage atheists" as you say.

Most of the entire continent of Europe is moving away from Christiantity.
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Most of the entire continent of Europe may be moving away from Christianity, but do they make statements like the kids on this forum? Do they rationaly discuss the issue, or do they just say that everyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong and call people that disagree with them "sheeple" or "idiots" or what-have-you? That is the specific behavior that I am addressing here.

Do you disagree with my opinion that people would kill each other if there were no religion?
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I'm quite sure they make more inflammatory statements against rednecks and other such people in America.

Maybe you should visit some European forums.
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Why can't everyone just be nice to each other? 🙁
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You don't get to the top of the evolutionary ladder by being nice. You do it by getting rid of everything in your way.
 
All this hand-waving about all religions being violent is sophistry. MANKIND is violent. Man will bend anything to his fallen purpose. (Pardon the Christian reference there.)

The logical extension of this is that, although atheists often reject religion by looking at the violence they cause, atheism is just as easily bent towards destruction when practiced by men who operate without the well-being of other people in mind; the two outstanding examples of this are Marxist Russia and China in the 20th century. Any "atrocity" that religion has brought about is easily matched by those two.

Violence against fellow man is always a result of the devaluation of the other man's life, be it because of their race, gender, religious beliefs, whether or not they are born, etc., and NOT because a person is Muslim or Christian.

So, the issue isn't that religion is inherently evil or destructive, but that we, as human beings, seem to have a knack for being destructive, regardless of what we classify ourselves as, hence the Christian idea of "original sin."
 
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?


 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Why can't everyone just be nice to each other? 🙁
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You don't get to the top of the evolutionary ladder by being nice. You do it by getting rid of everything in your way.
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LOL, sadly probably the only thing we agree on 🙂
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Buddism, Taoism and Confusionism arent religions. They're philosophies.

Sometimes people add them to their religion or use them as a substitute for religion.

But yes, the three big ones all pretty much talk about the same god, just in a different view.

I wont talk about Hinduism because I dont know much about it.
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Buddhism is a religion. It teaches about an afterlife.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?
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You are certainly right in a sense.

But I think Islam is slightly more violent because of the nature of its creation.

Muhammad was a warrior, Christ was a carpenter and a pacifist which shows through in his works.
 
to christian people....
how on earth did jesus saved us from sin by dying on the cross??
saved us from what? i dont remembering asking jesus or god for anything
 
ok, i lied.
i did ask for the 74 million dollar powerball.
but i guess he didnt answer my prayer. 🙁
 
My lack of history/background. So educate, plz 🙂:

Did Muhammad actually fight in any wars?
I know the Quran wasn't even written by Muhammad. It was written by a group of people who he preached to and they used his message to write the Quran.

I do agree that Islam is slightly less tolerant because they wanted to spread the faith. Religion doesn't spread easily on its own IMO. I believe religion is spread by violence/force. If you look at a map of Islamic states they are all touching each other (except the asian islands). It never spread beyond that because I guess someone stopped the Islamic warriors?

I am assuming this is how Christianity spread as well?

& what about Judaism? no violence? maybe that is why their numbers are soo lowww
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?
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The characterization of their gods are so different they are clearly different religions. Plus the fundamental difference in Jesus being God
 
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