Hi, i did it, sort of, oh and Rifter=Rifter1 just so ya know, the problem was the dynamic disks, win98 cant see them, and they allow you to change the File system no problem, the problem is converting them back to basic disks, to do that you have to delete ALL the partitions off them, which brings me to problem #2, it wouldnt let me delete the system partion(no kidding huh) so how do i convert it to basic? easy i dont, i reformat it with PM and i suffer the loss of all my data. Maybe. It is sitting on my 30GB drive right now wheich i out it on after i started all this mess, its a 30GB HD formatted with FAT32. Problem is win98 doesnt see it, well it sees it but its got all screwed up characters and nothing looks right. Question, why cant win98 see it? answer, i dunno, i have been at this for hours, since my first post actually, i fought hard to get it to boot to a dos prompt(you try that with win2k) anyways im going to bring the HD upstairs to my dads comp tommorow which is running win2k and see if i can read the disk, if i can then ill transfer data off it over the network, if not i guess ill have to take the loss.