I'd much rather take the Porsche 911. Porsche shouldn't be making SUVs, they're a exotic sports car company.
the porsche suv has got to be one of the ugliest vechicles on the road today. The front end is just awful. The designer must have been drunk/ blind from birth/ recently castrated to come up with that piece of ******. My friend's father has one. It is truly gross.
Haha, I think when they were building that car, they ran out of materials for the back, so they just slashed it.
The Touareg V10 is ~325 HP, but it 500+ Ft/Lbs of torque and gets nearly 30 MPG on the highway.
Touaregs were designed to be a great road car and off-road car. Withthe Air suspension, it can cross through just shy of two feet of water, has something like a 45 degree entry and exit angle, auto hill climb and descent and some other features.
The qualification is that you generally would want to swap rims for off-road use (don't want to scratch up the $500.00 alloys) and put a deeper / more off-roadish tire on.
I tried the Porsche (and all the other SUVs, American, Japanese, and German) ... the Touareg was the most comfortable for me. Second was the LR Sport. The BMW is just an SUV body on a 500 chassis ... bleh .. OK for snow, sucks off-road. The Touareg was built from scratch to be an either/or vehicle and can easily compete with Land Rover off-road.
I started with the '04 V6 ('04 was the first year, lots of electronics bugs). I traded up to an '05 V8. It's great. No problems in ~20,000 miles .... none. Air suspension is a very good thing (so is the heated seats, heated steering wheel, and the "rest" function that keeps the interior warm for ~half hour with the car turned off).
I've done some light off-roading with the Treg .. driving through the woods & up some sandstone hills in Wisconsin ... it's pretty good.
The Porsche is set up for 60/40 rear/front power (better for road), the Touareg is 50/50.
If you wanted to do some serious off-roading, then it's still hard to beat the Jeep Wrangler ... most discussions tend to bring up the advantages of a solid rear axle versus independent suspension.
Overall, It's a great car. I love it. It rides like a limo on the highway (If I set it to) and does pretty good in "sport" mode (tightens the suspension and raises the shift levels) for playing around.
Gas milage sucks (historical is ~14-15 mpg of mostly city driving / commuting) ... but I dont care. I knew it was a gas pig when I bought it.
So now, the dealer is tempting me into getting a V10 TDI Treg (~20 MPG city / ~30MPG highway)... maybe next year ...
Take one out & try it (nuts, take 'em all out and try 'em)
FWIW
Scott
Touaregs were designed to be a great road car and off-road car. Withthe Air suspension, it can cross through just shy of two feet of water, has something like a 45 degree entry and exit angle, auto hill climb and descent and some other features.
The qualification is that you generally would want to swap rims for off-road use (don't want to scratch up the $500.00 alloys) and put a deeper / more off-roadish tire on.
I tried the Porsche (and all the other SUVs, American, Japanese, and German) ... the Touareg was the most comfortable for me. Second was the LR Sport. The BMW is just an SUV body on a 500 chassis ... bleh .. OK for snow, sucks off-road. The Touareg was built from scratch to be an either/or vehicle and can easily compete with Land Rover off-road.
I started with the '04 V6 ('04 was the first year, lots of electronics bugs). I traded up to an '05 V8. It's great. No problems in ~20,000 miles .... none. Air suspension is a very good thing (so is the heated seats, heated steering wheel, and the "rest" function that keeps the interior warm for ~half hour with the car turned off).
I've done some light off-roading with the Treg .. driving through the woods & up some sandstone hills in Wisconsin ... it's pretty good.
The Porsche is set up for 60/40 rear/front power (better for road), the Touareg is 50/50.
If you wanted to do some serious off-roading, then it's still hard to beat the Jeep Wrangler ... most discussions tend to bring up the advantages of a solid rear axle versus independent suspension.
Overall, It's a great car. I love it. It rides like a limo on the highway (If I set it to) and does pretty good in "sport" mode (tightens the suspension and raises the shift levels) for playing around.
Gas milage sucks (historical is ~14-15 mpg of mostly city driving / commuting) ... but I dont care. I knew it was a gas pig when I bought it.
So now, the dealer is tempting me into getting a V10 TDI Treg (~20 MPG city / ~30MPG highway)... maybe next year ...
Take one out & try it (nuts, take 'em all out and try 'em)
FWIW
Scott
ScottMac, the Wrangler has TWO solid axles. I guess you already know that it will articulate much better-- independent suspension in front is bad enough, but independent all around is very bad for an offroad vehicle. At least the Touareg has lockers. It still doesn't have much ground clearance, and small tires, without any kind of lift available. If you DID find a way to lift it, the CV joints would wear faster.
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Hey, hey!
Twelve yards long, two lanes wide,
Sixty five tons of American pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
She blinds everybody with her super high beams
She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine
Canyonero! Canyonero! Canyonero!
Whoa, Canyonero! Whoa
Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Hey, hey!
Twelve yards long, two lanes wide,
Sixty five tons of American pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
She blinds everybody with her super high beams
She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine
Canyonero! Canyonero! Canyonero!
Whoa, Canyonero! Whoa
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If you truly care about the off-road aspect, it's nearly impossible to beat a custom CJ.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/featuredvehicles/34044_1982_jeep_cj5/index.html
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If you truly care about the off-road aspect, it's nearly impossible to beat a custom CJ.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/featuredvehicles/34044_1982_jeep_cj5/index.html
:heart:
H1... thats a REAL SUV... not a freaking 911 on a 4 door wannabe chassis..
its like the BMWs.. pointless for an SUV...
people forget that SUVs are supposed to be offroad vehciles.. not grocery getters.
Yeah, I'm not much of an off-roader ... but it was kinda fun toolin' around a friend's property up North. I'm just passing along what little I got from some discussions on other boards. www.clubtouareg.com has some pictures from folks out West off-roading ... there used to be a picture of a Treg pulling out a Hummer H1 that got stuck and / or broke their front suspension.
I learned to drive 4-wheel in an old CJ (vintage 1963); that was a pretty good time.
With the air suspension, I can crank it up for more clearence than the a standard (i.e., un-lifted) Jeep ... I think it's something like 11 or 12 inches clear. Full travel on the air suspension is ~6 inches or so (it can also be lowered by ~6 inches by adjusting the dial). In "Auto" mode, it adjusts the the height to your driving speed.
The Treg is excellent in the snow, which is most of my concern. With good tires (Nokian WRs) and the diff locks (mine has center and rear diff locking) it's pretty tough vehicle to get stuck.
I don't have skid plates either. If I was planning on going out for some serious off-roading, plates and brush bars would be a Good Thing (along with rims, tires, and winch).
VW is supposed to be bringing the V6 TDI to the US next year or the year after. I'm looking forward to checking it out; the torque of the V8 with with nearly double the economy of the V6 Gasser. It's been available in Europe for a couple years and people seem to like it.
The point that most of the above folks seem to miss is tha it's not likely that you'll want to compromise the paint job on your US$50K+ car to go seriously off-road. It's nice to know you can, if you have to but, it's not generally why you'd drop the cash on this class of vehicle.
FWIW
Scott
I dunno man... at the time our Expedition was brand new with factory lift and wheels and every option known to man in it.. it was a 40k truck.. and quess what.. it was bought for camping and hunting and generally spending its life off pavement..
its 10 years old now and still going strong... it was at least bought for its true purpose.. not for going to the local starbucks to look trendy..
12" is a lot of ground clearance. It probably doesn't have stuff hanging down like my Grand Cherokee. Jeep neglected off road for decades (hence the saying "real Jeeps are built not bought"), until Hummer forced them to pay more attention-- now the new Wrangler has something like 10" ground clearance at the diffs, and a very clean underbody..
In any case, you should think of the Touareg as an expedition type vehicle. With decent trails, it's probably fine. But Touareg off roaders think their vehicles are the BEST for everything, on and off road.
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