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Is the word "wuss" anti-gay?

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Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
"Wuss" is a derivative of "Pussy" which refers to either a woman, or a cat. Both of which are skittish and run away from danger.

Now, if you had called him a pansy... that would be different. 😛
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I am amused at how many of you all consider yourself "liberals," but do not address gender/sex issues. Yes, I believe calling some one a wuss is anti-gay. You are telling them that they aren't macho enough, and that their gender is not what it should be. If you really believe in gay-rights, then don't belittle them because they are different.
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There are straight people who are wusses and gay people who are wusses. There are straight people who are macho-men and gay people who are macho men.

How macho one is has little to do with one's sexuality.

There is social liberalism, and then there is knee-jerk political correctness.

Guess which one you just qualified for?
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Yes, but all you are doing in reinforcing men to be this super-macho hero that can win anything by force. If you take a look at any sort of media you will realize that this is how men are portrayed. Now if you think that men are supposed to be aggressive and mean, then you have a different problem. Gender issues are real, and need to be considered.
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Please tell me you're joking. Men are portrayed as macho because that's the way they're programmed from the factory. Ever hear of testosterone? Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule, but exceptions don't represent the majority. It would be one insanely boring world if men and women both behaved the same. That's just silly talk.
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How is it right then to pick on those that are different. I am not saying that most men are not macho. But you're right, that's how they are "programmed." I don't want to get into a nuture vs. nature argument. Just consider other people's feelings. BTW women have testosterone as well.

P.S. Don't say silly or people will call you a wuss 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
So, I was talking to a co-worker the other day about the lead singer for Smasking Pumpkins and described him as a little wuss. My co-worker, who is gay, threw a little temper tantrum and said that using that type of language was inflammatory towards gay people and that I should take the time to tolerate people that are different. My reaction was one of shock, I had no intention of offending him and do not see his point at all..
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If someone told me that something I said was offensive:

1. I would apologize and say that I did not intend to be offensive.

2. I would try not to say the word or phrase again or at least when the person who had the problem with it was around.

I do not take for granted or assume that other people have the same background and experiences as I do. I have found that only an a$$hole would consciously behave in an offensive manner.
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There is a problem with this. Surround yourself with enough people and you'll find that nearly everything you say will be offensive to at least one of them.

One must weed out what is rational, and what is not. Being offended by the word "wuss" because one assumes it is anti-gay is irrational.
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
"Wuss" is a derivative of "Pussy" which refers to either a woman, or a cat. Both of which are skittish and run away from danger.

Now, if you had called him a pansy... that would be different. 😛
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I am amused at how many of you all consider yourself "liberals," but do not address gender/sex issues. Yes, I believe calling some one a wuss is anti-gay. You are telling them that they aren't macho enough, and that their gender is not what it should be. If you really believe in gay-rights, then don't belittle them because they are different.
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There are straight people who are wusses and gay people who are wusses. There are straight people who are macho-men and gay people who are macho men.

How macho one is has little to do with one's sexuality.

There is social liberalism, and then there is knee-jerk political correctness.

Guess which one you just qualified for?
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Yes, but all you are doing in reinforcing men to be this super-macho hero that can win anything by force. If you take a look at any sort of media you will realize that this is how men are portrayed. Now if you think that men are supposed to be aggressive and mean, then you have a different problem. Gender issues are real, and need to be considered.
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Please tell me you're joking. Men are portrayed as macho because that's the way they're programmed from the factory. Ever hear of testosterone? Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule, but exceptions don't represent the majority. It would be one insanely boring world if men and women both behaved the same. That's just silly talk.
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How is it right then to pick on those that are different. I am not saying that most men are not macho. But you're right, that's how they are "programmed." I don't want to get into a nuture vs. nature argument. Just consider other people's feelings. BTW women have testosterone as well.

P.S. Don't say silly or people will call you a wuss 🙂
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/swings down from vine
/clubs IronOxide
/beats hairy chest
/hoots and hollers

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide

Dear Mickey Mouse,
I do not right the law, simply understand sexual harassment. You could not be sued off of one instance. However, if the harassment continues, you could be sued. It's what we call "hostile environment." IF the co-worker was unable to work because of how YOU treated her/him then it is possible for them to sue you. If you would like to risk this amount of trouble because you felt the need to call someone a wuss, go right ahead. I will just keep my mouth shut at work, and live a happy life. Good luck to you in the future.

P.S. Take a class on gender, and open your mind.
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And so we've turned this thread from asking if "wuss" is anti-gay to a class on sexual harassment. Good job. Great hijack 😉

I agree that a repeated offense (after an initial complaint, mind you... if the harasser doesn't know s/he's being offensive to the crowd, then they're not at fault) could be and should be acted on. But I still side on the fact that hypersensitivity has done nothing but bad for todays work places. I've worked in places before that women make stories up to get ahead, but were never questioned because the employer was too scared to challenge the "victim". It's ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
So, I was talking to a co-worker the other day about the lead singer for Smasking Pumpkins and described him as a little wuss. My co-worker, who is gay, threw a little temper tantrum and said that using that type of language was inflammatory towards gay people and that I should take the time to tolerate people that are different. My reaction was one of shock, I had no intention of offending him and do not see his point at all..
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If someone told me that something I said was offensive:

1. I would apologize and say that I did not intend to be offensive.

2. I would try not to say the word or phrase again or at least when the person who had the problem with it was around.

I do not take for granted or assume that other people have the same background and experiences as I do. I have found that only an a$$hole would consciously behave in an offensive manner.
Click to expand...

There is a problem with this. Surround yourself with enough people and you'll find that nearly everything you say will be offensive to at least one of them.

One must weed out what is rational, and what is not. Being offended by the word "wuss" because one assumes it is anti-gay is irrational.
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The company I work for has a very diverse work force. The city I live in has a very diverse population. I am surrounded by a lot of different people and I have not found this to be a problem.

 
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: IronOxide

Dear Mickey Mouse,
I do not right the law, simply understand sexual harassment. You could not be sued off of one instance. However, if the harassment continues, you could be sued. It's what we call "hostile environment." IF the co-worker was unable to work because of how YOU treated her/him then it is possible for them to sue you. If you would like to risk this amount of trouble because you felt the need to call someone a wuss, go right ahead. I will just keep my mouth shut at work, and live a happy life. Good luck to you in the future.

P.S. Take a class on gender, and open your mind.
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And so we've turned this thread from asking if "wuss" is anti-gay to a class on sexual harassment. Good job. Great hijack 😉

I agree that a repeated offense (after an initial complaint, mind you... if the harasser doesn't know s/he's being offensive to the crowd, then they're not at fault) could be and should be acted on. But I still side on the fact that hypersensitivity has done nothing but bad for todays work places. I've worked in places before that women make stories up to get ahead, but were never questioned because the employer was too scared to challenge the "victim". It's ridiculous.
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What about the 100,000's of women that it has helped? Women are often denied jobs because of their sex. I hate it when people return to the one instance where they felt someone was cheated. That's like saying welfare is bad because billy down the street abuses it. Fact is, less than 1% are false. But anyways, I think I'm about done being abused for today. I'll leave you with this last thought:

The thing about privilege is that privilege hides privilege from those who are privileged.
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: IronOxide

Dear Mickey Mouse,
I do not right the law, simply understand sexual harassment. You could not be sued off of one instance. However, if the harassment continues, you could be sued. It's what we call "hostile environment." IF the co-worker was unable to work because of how YOU treated her/him then it is possible for them to sue you. If you would like to risk this amount of trouble because you felt the need to call someone a wuss, go right ahead. I will just keep my mouth shut at work, and live a happy life. Good luck to you in the future.

P.S. Take a class on gender, and open your mind.
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And so we've turned this thread from asking if "wuss" is anti-gay to a class on sexual harassment. Good job. Great hijack 😉

I agree that a repeated offense (after an initial complaint, mind you... if the harasser doesn't know s/he's being offensive to the crowd, then they're not at fault) could be and should be acted on. But I still side on the fact that hypersensitivity has done nothing but bad for todays work places. I've worked in places before that women make stories up to get ahead, but were never questioned because the employer was too scared to challenge the "victim". It's ridiculous.
Click to expand...

What about the 100,000's of women that it has helped? Women are often denied jobs because of their sex. I hate it when people return to the one instance where they felt someone was cheated. That's like saying welfare is bad because billy down the street abuses it. Fact is, less than 1% are false. But anyways, I think I'm about done being abused for today. I'll leave you with this last thought:

The thing about privilege is that privilege hides privilege from those who are privileged.
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The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide

How is it right then to pick on those that are different. I am not saying that most men are not macho. But you're right, that's how they are "programmed." I don't want to get into a nuture vs. nature argument. Just consider other people's feelings. BTW women have testosterone as well.

P.S. Don't say silly or people will call you a wuss 🙂
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How is potraying men in a manner that the majority behave picking on the minority? You can't cater to ALL groups ALL of the time. You're reading into things WAY more than you should.

People calling me a wuss doesn't bother me. I have thick skin and am not hypersensitive.

"Wuss" has NOTHING to do with sex or gender.

 
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: IronOxide

Dear Mickey Mouse,
I do not right the law, simply understand sexual harassment. You could not be sued off of one instance. However, if the harassment continues, you could be sued. It's what we call "hostile environment." IF the co-worker was unable to work because of how YOU treated her/him then it is possible for them to sue you. If you would like to risk this amount of trouble because you felt the need to call someone a wuss, go right ahead. I will just keep my mouth shut at work, and live a happy life. Good luck to you in the future.

P.S. Take a class on gender, and open your mind.
Click to expand...


And so we've turned this thread from asking if "wuss" is anti-gay to a class on sexual harassment. Good job. Great hijack 😉

I agree that a repeated offense (after an initial complaint, mind you... if the harasser doesn't know s/he's being offensive to the crowd, then they're not at fault) could be and should be acted on. But I still side on the fact that hypersensitivity has done nothing but bad for todays work places. I've worked in places before that women make stories up to get ahead, but were never questioned because the employer was too scared to challenge the "victim". It's ridiculous.
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Interacting with women at work can be downright scary for some guys! If I had a choice, I'd MUCH rather work at an all male place. You have to watch every little thing you say and every little mannerism that you have around women. I'm afraid to compliment a woman on her shoes or new haircut. That is fvcking sad. Oh sh!t - I went off on a tangent...

 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
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Why do you resort to personal attacks? I thought that you were "open to other's opinions."
 
Originally posted by: DougK62
Interacting with women at work can be downright scary for some guys! If I had a choice, I'd MUCH rather work at an all male place. You have to watch every little thing you say and every little mannerism that you have around women. I'm afraid to compliment a woman on her shoes or new haircut. That is fvcking sad. Oh sh!t - I went off on a tangent...
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OMG, and you wonder why women don't get hired, and why they make 60% of what men in the workforce do. Is anyone else see the "white male club" in this? Seriously!
 
This thread has taken a life far greater than I anticipated. There is no threat of sexual/gender harassment lawsuits. As I stated earlier we are friends and have no animosity towards each other. A very small part of me understands why he perceives wuss as inflammatory, heck, for all I know he was probably made fun of a lot when he was younger. It is obvious that he swings the other way the moment you meet him.

With that being said, I have no ill will towards gay people and live in a very multicultural city that has a huge gay population. This isn't about bashing on them, it was simple question about the use of a word. In my mind ?wuss? implied a weak male who is straight but acts a little feminine. To me a person who is a male and likes men is simply "gay" 😀
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
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Why do you resort to personal attacks? I thought that you were "open to other's opinions."
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I'm open to opinions, not bullshit.

OMG, and you wonder why women don't get hired, and why they make 60% of what men in the workforce do. Is anyone else see the "white male club" in this? Seriously!
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Such as that. Quit victimizing yourself and accept that you didn't get preferential treatment because you didn't warrant any.

- M4H
 
that is about as bad as when I told someone they were a "post nazi" they started bleating that I was anti semetic...

that guy is too sensitive, you should tell him to buy some looser fitting panties 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
This thread has taken a life far greater than I anticipated. There is no threat of sexual/gender harassment lawsuits. As I stated earlier we are friends and have no animosity towards each other. A very small part of me understands why he perceives wuss as inflammatory, heck, for all I know he was probably made fun of a lot when he was younger. It is obvious that he swings the other way the moment you meet him.

With that being said, I have no ill will towards gay people and live in a very multicultural city that has a huge gay population. This isn't about bashing on them, it was simple question about the use of a word. In my mind ?wuss? implied a weak male who is straight but acts a little feminine. To me a person who is a male and likes men is simply "gay" 😀
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Isn't it nice to create a nef thread? 😀

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
This thread has taken a life far greater than I anticipated. There is no threat of sexual/gender harassment lawsuits. As I stated earlier we are friends and have no animosity towards each other. A very small part of me understands why he perceives wuss as inflammatory, heck, for all I know he was probably made fun of a lot when he was younger. It is obvious that he swings the other way the moment you meet him.

With that being said, I have no ill will towards gay people and live in a very multicultural city that has a huge gay population. This isn't about bashing on them, it was simple question about the use of a word. In my mind ?wuss? implied a weak male who is straight but acts a little feminine. To me a person who is a male and likes men is simply "gay" 😀
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Sorry if I helped the thread get "off topic." My only intention was to show you that others may not feel the same as you do, even if it is just about a word. I've been putting a lot of thought into gender issues recently, and needed to vent a little. I just wish more people understood how things are.
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: DougK62
Interacting with women at work can be downright scary for some guys! If I had a choice, I'd MUCH rather work at an all male place. You have to watch every little thing you say and every little mannerism that you have around women. I'm afraid to compliment a woman on her shoes or new haircut. That is fvcking sad. Oh sh!t - I went off on a tangent...
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OMG, and you wonder why women don't get hired, and why they make 60% of what men in the workforce do. Is anyone else see the "white male club" in this? Seriously!
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You're damn funny. I don't know what world you're living in, but these days women get payed the same as men and get hired the same. Stop living on 1970 statistics. It's comical how you somehow twisted my fear of sexual harassment into "women treated unfairly" when it's just the opposite in that situation.

 
Originally posted by: DougK62
You're damn funny. I don't know what world you're living in, but these days women get payed the same as men and get hired the same. Stop living on 1970 statistics. It's comical how you somehow twisted my fear of sexual harassment into "women treated unfairly" when it's just the opposite in that situation.
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Well, women on average still do not make the same amount as men on average for the same position. The gap has closed a lot since 1970, but it's still there.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: DougK62
You're damn funny. I don't know what world you're living in, but these days women get payed the same as men and get hired the same. Stop living on 1970 statistics. It's comical how you somehow twisted my fear of sexual harassment into "women treated unfairly" when it's just the opposite in that situation.
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Well, women on average still do not make the same amount as men on average for the same position. The gap has closed a lot since 1970, but it's still there.
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The statistics that I've seen show that it's gone. Either way, the studies that DO still show a gap show a miniscule and negligible difference.

 
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