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Is the word "wuss" anti-gay?

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Well, women on average still do not make the same amount as men on average for the same position. The gap has closed a lot since 1970, but it's still there.

But do these statistics take into account women leaving work to care for kids? I've known of many women who chose to leave work for a few years to care for kids and decide later to return to work once the kids were in school. Meanwhile their male couterparts spent those few years continuing to work and moving up the payscale. Plus, at many companies, if you leave the company and return later you start back at square one in terms of pay, vacation time, etc... This has nothing at all to do with any bias against women, but can easily create a gap that can then be misinterpreted as a bias.

The company I work for has pay divided into grades and each grade has a pay range. Each job has a starting grade. Male or female, if you are a new hire you get the starting pay determined by the grade. As you work you move up through the pay range for that grade. But if you leave the company for any reason, if you ever choose to come back it's as if you never worked there before. You are back at the bottom of the pay range again.

 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
Why do you resort to personal attacks? I thought that you were "open to other's opinions."

Telling someone they don't shut up isn't a personal attack. Telling someone they're a wuss that doesn't shut up is closer to a personal attack. But this? Pfffft. It's merely a stout observation.
 
These statistics are based on 2002. Everyone thinks they magically disappeared but they haven't. It's amazing what you all think you know, but don't!
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
"Wuss" is a derivative of "Pussy" which refers to either a woman, or a cat. Both of which are skittish and run away from danger.

Now, if you had called him a pansy... that would be different. 😛

I am amused at how many of you all consider yourself "liberals," but do not address gender/sex issues. Yes, I believe calling some one a wuss is anti-gay. You are telling them that they aren't macho enough, and that their gender is not what it should be. If you really believe in gay-rights, then don't belittle them because they are different.

so what does it mean then if you call a straight person a wuss? does that imply you are also calling them gay?

anyone who thinks wuss is anti-gay is an idiot.
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
These statistics are based on 2002. Everyone thinks they magically disappeared but they haven't. It's amazing what you all think you know, but don't!

IronOxide, I have taken a class on gender and sex inequalities(Soc. class), and I realize you are spewing your lines right out of a goddamn textbook. Calling someone a *wussy* is NOT being offensive, especially when it is about a third party that has NO relationships with either of the original parties. Regardless, way to play the token liberal knee-jerk moron card like a pair of aces.

I hate people that recite out of a textbook and ignore the reality of situations. Pyscho-babble from idiots like you are the reason the workplace is so freaking hostile to begin with. If someone ties their shoes in a certain way it *might* be offensive to Person X. Cry me a freakin' river. Reason number 9,000,999 I will open my own firm or work for myself when I finish my degree. I simply cannot tolerate illogical textbook fanatics that REFUSE to see your point, because they are blinded by what some douche Professor made up and called "facts." Anyway, I've met people like you before. They totally embrace textbooks just to be anti-conformity. Well guess what? I will never conform to your anti-conformity, so I"m going to create a tautological circle that kills us both.

/goes mad
/pours rubbing alcohol in his eyes
/eats feces

/cries
 
It's not derogatory by definition:

2 entries found for wuss.
wuss ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ws)
n. Slang
A person regarded as weak or timid and especially as unmanly: ?Cats are for wusses, dog men say? (Laura Blumenfeld).


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[Probably blend of wimp, and pussy1.]
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i don't think it's anti-gay. i mean, isn't it just a milder evolution of "pussy?" you might say it's anti-female, but it's not anti-gay. unless gay people suddenly own all female references in addition to female preferences. 😉 personally i won't use that word for the gender reason, but it has nothing to do with homosexuality (though i won't use anti-gay words either).

also, the singer for the smashing pumpkins could probably kick your ass. that guy is freaking huge and his hands are the size of volleyballs. you don't notice it too much because most of the other people that were in the band were huge, too. but if you look at the drummer, who's pretty meaty and buff looking, and then see the two next to each other, the drummer's like a midget compared to him.
 
Print this off and give it to your friend. Perhaps he will STFU. It's not a direct response to the usage of the word "wuss," but it has the same point.

Gay Jargon

In recent years, the public view towards homosexuality has been at the forefront of political discourse in the United States. Gay marriage, employee benefits, political correctness, and many other important issues have been presented for public discourse. No matter what our personal opinions tend to be on these subjects, they all tend to relate back to a single issue: definitions. What is the definition of marriage? Who decides which meaning is the correct definition? Can a long-accepted definition be modified to better fit the current societal definition? All of these questions are difficult to answer, hence the seemingly endless array of media coverage, political banter, and dialogue within our very own lives. Recently, one such topic has been the usage of the word ?gay? in our everyday language.

The English language is a living language. The usage of specific words, pronunciations, and even the meanings of words are constantly changing. A century ago, the word ?gay? was accepted to mean ?merry,? ?joyous,? or ?glad.? Even today, this remains the primary definition found in all major dictionaries. Of course, we all know that the word ?gay? has come to have many other meanings. Most notably, it has progressed into the politically correct word for ?homosexual.? The roots of this specific meaning can be traced back to Victorian England, where female and male prostitutes were called ?gay.? However, it wasn?t until the 1920?s that the sexual meaning was directly applied to homosexual males. By the 1980?s, the usage of ?gay? as a replacement for ?homosexual? became widespread, forever dowsing the original meaning into the annals of the spoken English language.

Today, the word ?gay? seems to be taking on an entirely new meaning. Rather than the most recent sexual definition, it has become a slang word meaning ?inferior? and ?stupid.? In recent months, this seemingly natural progression of language has been met with widespread opposition, most notably from homosexuals. As a result, a sort of societal movement has begun to form in order to combat the widespread use of ?gay? as what many consider to be a derogatory term. From college campuses to corporate offices, the use of the word ?gay? in any manner other than as a substitute for ?homosexual? is met with disdain from numerous individuals, most notably those in administrative positions.

Many adversaries claim that this recent slang adaptation of ?gay? is hurtful to the homosexual community. They seem to believe that since ?gay? is used as a replacement for ?stupid,? this infers that homosexuals and homosexuality must also be inferior. Although one could argue that the slang definition has become so commonplace that most people do not even consider this connection while using it, I argue that it doesn?t matter. Let?s assume that the members of the populace that use the word ?gay? to mean ?stupid? truly believe that homosexuality is inferior. Is it not their right as a citizen of the United States to hold this conviction? Whether or not an outside party agrees or disagrees is completely irrelevant. If homosexuals find this truth to be hurtful, that is a personal issue, not a societal problem.

Other than the issue of possible hurt feelings, the only other plausible explanation for being against the evolution of the meaning of the word ?gay? in our everyday language is the desire to resist change. Let?s face it: for the past twenty years or so, the goal of most homosexuals in the United States has been to gain acceptance for their sexuality and lifestyle. This was the primary basis for the increase in homosexual awareness during the 1980?s, and remains one of the top guiding factors in modern day gay-related issues. As a result, it?s no surprise that homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers see the latest slang usage of ?gay? as a possible threat to their cause rather than a step forward in linguistic evolution. I, like many others, truly understand this sentiment. However, limiting the word usage of others is not a viable solution to this supposed problem.

I don?t use profanity in my language. Sure I may tell a joke or quote another work that involves a swear word, but I don?t see the value in using profanity in everyday discourse. However, when others use profanity, I do not get offended, or try to limit their use of swear words. Similarly, if one feels that it is hurtful to the homosexual community to use the word ?gay? rather than ?stupid,? then by all means, he/she has every right to refrain from doing so. However, just because he/she has decided to make the conscious decision to adjust his/her usage of specific words doesn?t mean that everyone else should do the same. I don?t think that majority of you would limit your use of swear words if I asked you to do so, so please don?t ask me, or anyone else for that matter, to do the same with other words that you may disagree with.

Before anyone gets the idea that I am anti-homosexuals (or homophobic, as it has come to be known), consider this: I also believe that this tenet should be applied to many other words used in the English language. Take, for example, the racially explosive expressions in our society, including ?great person,? ?my lover,? ?beloved patriot,? and ?cracker.? I, like many others, choose not to use them in our language. However, that does not make our decision the correct assessment, nor does it disqualify the opposing opinions.

If anyone disagrees with my opinion in the previous paragraphs, I urge him/her to come forward and answer the following questions:

What is the definition of ?gay??

Who decides which meaning is the correct definition?

Can a long-accepted definition be modified to better fit the current societal definition?

Why is it that some progressions of language are deemed acceptable in our society, while others are not?

We all need to realize that English language is alive and thriving. As such, it is always changing. However, at the end of the day, language is nothing more than what each individual makes it to be. I think Lewis Carroll said it best in his book, Through the Looking Glass:

?When I use a word,? Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ?it means just what I choose it to mean ? neither more nor less.?

?The question is,? said Alice, ?whether you can make words mean so many different things.?

?The question is,? said Humpty Dumpty, ?which is to be master ? that's all.?

We have a choice: we can either allow trivial definitions to determine our course of actions, or we can live our lives to the fullest regardless of what others say and do. I, for one, certainly will not allow my lexis or the language of others to control my life; and I highly suggest that others try to do the same. After all, they?re only words.
 
Originally posted by: Jigga
Hahahahaa "BumRush"

Hey Hey 🙂 I joined this forum to talk about hardware and gaming, hence my old Quake name... Then one day i got sucked in to the ATOT.
 
"Let?s assume that the members of the populace that use the word ?gay? to mean ?stupid? truly believe that homosexuality is inferior. Is it not their right as a citizen of the United States to hold this conviction? Whether or not an outside party agrees or disagrees is completely irrelevant. If homosexuals find this truth to be hurtful, that is a personal issue, not a societal problem."

Hitler's ideas of anti-semetism spread pretty quickly and look what happened.
 
Originally posted by: brigden
"Let?s assume that the members of the populace that use the word ?gay? to mean ?stupid? truly believe that homosexuality is inferior. Is it not their right as a citizen of the United States to hold this conviction? Whether or not an outside party agrees or disagrees is completely irrelevant. If homosexuals find this truth to be hurtful, that is a personal issue, not a societal problem."

Hitler's ideas of anti-semetism spread pretty quickly and look what happened.

Acting on convictions is very different than holding convictions.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
No, your co-worker is just an uppity little bitch.

- M4H

This is correct.

If someone is offended by something, it's their fault, not the fault of the person who made the comment.
 
this thread is so gay.

<-- longs for a return to the sensibilities of 80's movies like Fast Times and Sixteen Candles where "wussy" and "that's gay" were legitimate, permissible insults 😛
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i don't think it's anti-gay. i mean, isn't it just a milder evolution of "pussy?" you might say it's anti-female, but it's not anti-gay. unless gay people suddenly own all female references in addition to female preferences. 😉 personally i won't use that word for the gender reason, but it has nothing to do with homosexuality (though i won't use anti-gay words either).

also, the singer for the smashing pumpkins could probably kick your ass. that guy is freaking huge and his hands are the size of volleyballs. you don't notice it too much because most of the other people that were in the band were huge, too. but if you look at the drummer, who's pretty meaty and buff looking, and then see the two next to each other, the drummer's like a midget compared to him.

He's 6'3, 200 lbs.

He's also the same age as me (37).
 
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
Why do you resort to personal attacks? I thought that you were "open to other's opinions."
So now telling somebody that they don't stop talking is a personal attack?
 
Wuss is not anit-gay. (Is that the term nowadays? Better than homophobe, I guess, but still lacking something)

However, since it implies femininity on the part of the target, and also has a negative connotation, it implies that femininity is a bad thing.
Thus, it is sexist.

Of course, that's something only a pussy would say.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: Amused
"Wuss" is a derivative of "Pussy" which refers to either a woman, or a cat. Both of which are skittish and run away from danger.

Now, if you had called him a pansy... that would be different. 😛

I am amused at how many of you all consider yourself "liberals," but do not address gender/sex issues. Yes, I believe calling some one a wuss is anti-gay. You are telling them that they aren't macho enough, and that their gender is not what it should be. If you really believe in gay-rights, then don't belittle them because they are different.

I was about to ask who the panty-waist liberal whiny bitch was. Thanks for answering my question before it was asked. You can put your head back in the sand now until the Scary World passes you by.

- M4H

M4H, will you civil unionize with me?
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: IronOxide
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

The thing about "you" is that "you" never shut the hell up.

- M4H
Why do you resort to personal attacks? I thought that you were "open to other's opinions."
So now telling somebody that they don't stop talking is a personal attack?

It is to hardcore wusses.
 
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