Is the US turning Japanese?

[FaaR]

and 20 times as many children born out of wedlock.

So what? Why would you care if kids have married parents or not, unless you're an imbecile? I should think we've evolved somewhat beyond victorian England as a society by now - or at least most of Europe has. The US is still mired in overly religious thinking (sometimes bordering on, or even deep into the fanatical at times). The constant invoking of "god" by mainstream US politicians and other talking heads is part of this problem.

 

[alzan]

So what? Why would you care if kids have married parents or not, unless you're an imbecile? I should think we've evolved somewhat beyond victorian England as a society by now - or at least most of Europe has. The US is still mired in overly religious thinking (sometimes bordering on, or even deep into the fanatical at times). The constant invoking of "god" by mainstream US politicians and other talking heads is part of this problem.

He cares. He blames most of the U.S.'s problems on pregnant women having the right to make their own decisions about abortion or carrying to term thereby forcing men to work to support them. He also blames liberalism for a lot of problems as well.

Also, was your second question to him rhetorical?

 

[shortylickens]

Umm, no. We're turning into North Mexico.

 

[nehalem256]

So what? Why would you care if kids have married parents or not, unless you're an imbecile? I should think we've evolved somewhat beyond victorian England as a society by now - or at least most of Europe has. The US is still mired in overly religious thinking (sometimes bordering on, or even deep into the fanatical at times). The constant invoking of "god" by mainstream US politicians and other talking heads is part of this problem.

You mean besides the fact that the poverty rate for single mothers is 5 times that for married couples?

Or perhaps you think child poverty is a good thing?

 

[FaaR]

Being single is not the same thing as being unmarried. Please engage brain before typing...

 

[nehalem256]

Being single is not the same thing as being unmarried. Please engage brain before typing...

If you have a problem with what I am saying take it up with the US Census

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstables/032011/pov/new07_100_01.htm

 

[FaaR]

Yes, I have a problem with what you're saying (regardless of what the census says) because you're talking about something else than what I was talking about, IE, two different things.

...Unless you're saying that all women who become mothers should be forced to marry I don't really see what your point is, at least in relation to my original reply.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes, I have a problem with what you're saying (regardless of what the census says) because you're talking about something else than what I was talking about, IE, two different things.

...Unless you're saying that all women who become mothers should be forced to marry I don't really see what your point is, at least in relation to my original reply.

It is not necessary to force them to marry. Simply deny them the copious amount of support given to single mothers.

No more special "head of household" tax filing status.
No more government forcing their baby daddy to give them child support.
No more WIC
No more food stamps
No more medicaid
No more public housing
No more government subsidized day care
etc.

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean besides the fact that the poverty rate for single mothers is 5 times that for married couples?

Or perhaps you think child poverty is a good thing?

Obviously, you think child poverty is a good thing, given this-

It is not necessary to force them to marry. Simply deny them the copious amount of support given to single mothers.

No more special "head of household" tax filing status.
No more government forcing their baby daddy to give them child support.
No more WIC
No more food stamps
No more medicaid
No more public housing
No more government subsidized day care
etc.

 

[Slew Foot]

America's wishes it was turning into Japan. The Japanese would kill themselves before becoming a burden on their society, Americans would kill their mom for a ten cent off coupon for shake and bake.

 

[Infohawk]

America's wishes it was turning into Japan. The Japanese would kill themselves before becoming a burden on their society, Americans would kill their mom for a ten cent off coupon for shake and bake.

Why would people wish for a society where they kill themselves if they are a "burden." Anyway, with all the stories of young people who never leave their bedroom in their parents' place in Japan, I don't think your generalization is even that accurate.

 

[nehalem256]

Obviously, you think child poverty is a good thing, given this-

While this is off topic. The way poverty is measure none of those things reduce it ^_^

 

[FaaR]

It is not necessary to force them to marry. Simply deny them the copious amount of support given to single mothers.

Yeah, that sounds ENTIRELY logical... Well, actually, to be completely honest that sounds totally nuts.

No more special "head of household" tax filing status.
No more government forcing their baby daddy to give them child support.
No more WIC
No more food stamps
No more medicaid
No more public housing
No more government subsidized day care

Ok, so they shouldn't get child support, food, medicine, house to live in etc, but also no day care, and thus not be able to work to support themselves and their child? Yeah, this is surely the douchiest solution to a made-up problem I've ever seen.

Oh, and by the way... Why shouldn't poor daddy have to contribute financially to the life he was instrumental in bringing into this world?

 

[unokitty]

So what? Why would you care if kids have married parents or not, unless you're an imbecile? I should think we've evolved somewhat beyond victorian England as a society by now - or at least most of Europe has. The US is still mired in overly religious thinking (sometimes bordering on, or even deep into the fanatical at times).

I'm not sure what your hatred of religion has to do with the impact of single parent families on society. The facts are pretty well documented. And the facts show that children in single parent homes start out with some pretty significant vulnerabilities.

Calling people names won't change that...

Some statistics.

A child with a nonresident father is 54 percent more likely to be poorer than his or her father.
Source: Sorenson, Elaine and Chava Zibman. “Getting to Know Poor Fathers Who Do Not Pay Child Support.” Social Service Review 75 (September 2001): 420-434.

An analysis of child abuse cases in a nationally representative sample of 42 counties found that children from single-parent families are more likely to be victims of physical and sexual abuse than children who live with both biological parents. Compared to their peers living with both parents, children in single parent homes had:

a 77% greater risk of being physically abused
an 87% greater risk of being harmed by physical neglect
a 165% greater risk of experiencing notable physical neglect
a 74% greater risk of suffering from emotional neglect
an 80% greater risk of suffering serious injury as a result of abuse
overall, a 120% greater risk of being endangered by some type of child abuse.
Source: Sedlak, Andrea J. and Diane D. Broadhurst. The Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect: Final Report. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. Washington, D.C., September 1996.

Children in father-absent homes are five times more likely to be poor. In 2002, 7.8 percent of children in married-couple families were living in poverty, compared to 38.4 percent of children in female-householder families.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Children’s Living Arrangements and Characteristics: March 2002, P200-547, Table C8. Washington D.C.: GPO, 2003.

In a study of INTERPOL crime statistics of 39 countries, it was found that single parenthood ratios were strongly correlated with violent crimes. This was not true 18 years ago.
Source: Barber, Nigel. “Single Parenthood As a Predictor of Cross-National Variation in Violent Crime.” Cross-Cultural Research 38 (November 2004): 343-358

A 2002 Department of Justice survey of 7,000 inmates revealed that 39% of jail inmates lived in mother-only households. Approximately forty-six percent of jail inmates in 2002 had a previously incarcerated family member. One-fifth experienced a father in prison or jail.
Source: James, Doris J. Profile of Jail Inmates, 2002. (NCJ 201932). Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report, Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, July 2004.

A study of 3,400 middle schoolers indicated that not living with both biological parents quadruples the risk of having an affective disorder.
Source: Cuffe, Steven P., Robert E. McKeown, Cheryl L. Addy, and Carol Z. Garrison. “Family Psychosocial Risk Factors in a Longitudinal Epidemiological Study of Adolescents.” Journal of American Academic Child Adolescent Psychiatry 44 (February 2005): 121-129.

Based on birth and death data for 217,798 children born in Georgia in 1989 and 1990, infants without a father’s name on their birth certificate (17.9 percent of the total) were 2.3 times more likely to die in the first year of life compared to infants with a father’s name on their birth certificate.
Source: Gaudino, Jr., James A., Bill Jenkins, and Foger W. Rochat. “No Fathers’ Names: A Risk Factor for Infant Mortality in the State of Georgia, USA.” Social Science and Medicine 48 (1999): 253-265.

Of course, if you are a True Believer in Political Correctness, you'd never let the facts get in the way of your beliefs anyway.

Best of luck,
Uno

 

[nehalem256]

Yeah, that sounds ENTIRELY logical... Well, actually, to be completely honest that sounds totally nuts.


Ok, so they shouldn't get child support, food, medicine, house to live in etc, but also no day care, and thus not be able to work to support themselves and their child? Yeah, this is surely the douchiest solution to a made-up problem I've ever seen.

Sounds to me like what you are saying is that single motherhood is inconsistent with reality without massive government bailouts

Oh, and by the way... Why shouldn't poor daddy have to contribute financially to the life he was instrumental in bringing into this world?

Screwing for an "hour" or CHOOSING to carry the child for 9 months. Who is really the one who is instrumental in bring the child into the world? Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

 

[FaaR]

I'm not sure what your hatred of religion has to do with the impact of single parent families on society. The facts are pretty well documented. And the facts show that children in single parent homes start out with some pretty significant vulnerabilities.

Well like I already mentioned, just because you're not married doesn't mean you're single. Ok?

And the religious angle (your hyperbole aside, labelling it as "hatred") stems from the generally US-only idea that it's bad that unmarried women have children, due to the high level of christian religious dogma permeating that society.

This, of course, comes from old colonial days when lots of christian fundies emigrated from Europe to settle in NA. It's a well-established historical fact.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm not sure what your hatred of religion has to do with the impact of single parent families on society. The facts are pretty well documented. And the facts show that children in single parent homes start out with some pretty significant vulnerabilities.

Ironically it is the "Christian" nation which has the 20x higher out-of-wedlock birth rate. Japan, which is not a Christian nation in any sense is the one with the 2% rate.

 

[nehalem256]

Well like I already mentioned, just because you're not married doesn't mean you're single. Ok?

And the religious angle (your hyperbole aside, labelling it as "hatred") stems from the generally US-only idea that it's bad that unmarried women have children, due to the high level of christian religious dogma permeating that society.

This, of course, comes from old colonial days when lots of christian fundies emigrated from Europe to settle in NA. It's a well-established historical fact.

Which of course explains why it is Japan which does not have a high level of christian religius dogma permeating society that has a 2% out of wedlock birth rate right?

 

[FaaR]

Sounds to me like what you are saying is that single motherhood is inconsistent with reality without massive government bailouts

Not sure what gave you that idea. I commented on your crazy notion that all legs should be kicked out from under single mothers of limited financial means, thus permanently miring them and their children in deepest poverty unless they manage to find themselves someone to support them financially.

That's all.

Screwing for an "hour" or CHOOSING to carry the child for 9 months. Who is really the one who is instrumental in bring the child into the world? Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

Buddy, it takes two to tango, surely you understand this if you've been taught that bit about flowers and the bees etc. If you don't want a kid, wear a rubber, or better yet don't go poking strange ladies left and right in the first place. This is just common sense.

Be a man, take responsibility for your own actions, don't dump that over onto someone else and then try to dodge with a terribly lame excuse. Real men don't do that.

The idea that a woman should go through an abortion because you don't want to pay for a baby which you created is just massively fascist and offensive. Shame on you!

 

[cybrsage]

America's wishes it was turning into Japan. The Japanese would kill themselves before becoming a burden on their society, Americans would kill their mom for a ten cent off coupon for shake and bake.

They still make that? I will have to try it out again, I remember it being YUMMY!

 

[cybrsage]

Be a man, take responsibility for your own actions, don't dump that over onto someone else and then try to dodge with a terribly lame excuse. Real men don't do that.

What about real women? Do they dump their responsibilities? Is it only the fake women who dump their responsibilites?

The idea that a woman should go through an abortion because you don't want to pay for a baby which you created is just massively fascist and offensive. Shame on you!

I agree, only you did not go far enough. The idea that a woman should go through an abortion because she does not want the baby she created is just massively fascist and offensive. Shame on anyone who believes she should be able to do so!

 

[nehalem256]

Not sure what gave you that idea. I commented on your crazy notion that all legs should be kicked out from under single mothers of limited financial means, thus permanently miring them and their children in deepest poverty unless they manage to find themselves someone to support them financially.

That's all.

No. I do not think single women should be having children in the first place.

Buddy, it takes two to tango, surely you understand this if you've been taught that bit about flowers and the bees etc. If you don't want a kid, wear a rubber, or better yet don't go poking strange ladies left and right in the first place. This is just common sense.

Be a man, take responsibility for your own actions, don't dump that over onto someone else and then try to dodge with a terribly lame excuse. Real men don't do that.

I see someone does not realize that condoms, the only reversible birth control available to men has one of the highest failure rates.

Funny how ideas about taking responsibility for your actions is EXACTLY the Republican argument for outlawing abortion. So I guess according to you responsiblity is something a man has.

The idea that a woman should go through an abortion because you don't want to pay for a baby which you created is just massively fascist and offensive. Shame on you!

Or you know the woman could take responsibility for her CHOICE and support the child by herself. Women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle right?

 

[FaaR]

Which of course explains why it is Japan which does not have a high level of christian religius dogma permeating society that has a 2% out of wedlock birth rate right?

Yeah, because no other cultures featured the concept of matrimony until christianity came along? Please... What brand of stupid pills are you taking?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[nehalem256]

Yeah, because no other cultures featured the concept of matrimony until christianity came along? Please... What brand of stupid pills are you taking?

I was responding to what you said

So what? Why would you care if kids have married parents or not, unless you're an imbecile? I should think we've evolved somewhat beyond victorian England as a society by now - or at least most of Europe has. The US is still mired in overly religious thinking (sometimes bordering on, or even deep into the fanatical at times). The constant invoking of "god" by mainstream US politicians and other talking heads is part of this problem.

You were clearly linking "Religious Right" Christian beliefs with out-of-wedlock child births being unacceptable.

Japan vs. US is the perfect evidence to the contrary.

 

[FaaR]

No. I do not think single women should be having children in the first place.

Then clearly you only have sex with women you've married. Thus, problem solved, eh?!

Because you're not suggesting that your own personal ideals on who's allowed to have babies (and with whom, presumably) should apply universally, to everyone? That'd be - and please pardon the french here - the most fking presumptious thing I've ever heard. Well, actually no. But relatively close-ish anyhow.

I see someone does not realize that condoms, the only reversible birth control available to men has one of the highest failure rates.

Oh, I understand that just fine, which is why I gave you the choice of either abstaining, or failing that, paying for your own actions by supporting the child you yourself fathered. Why's this so hard to grasp, are you really that inhumane and devoid of morals?

So I guess according to you responsiblity is something a man has.

Grownups have responsibilities, certainly. Why wouldn't they? What's your point?

Or you know the woman could take responsibility for her CHOICE and support the child by herself.

And women around the world are also doing that, typically ending up working far more than most men in the process. However that aside, it's not too much to ask of you that you carry your half of the financial burden, considering the kid carries one half of your genes and all.

Women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle right?

Strawmen sure are popular on the far-right fringe.