Is the Southern Strategy Dead?

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This article's author seems to think so.

I am not so sure. It fires up a very strong base that is committed through hate and fear. The most motivating factors in voters. I would say it is actively dying, sure. But to declare it dead already is a bit premature, IMO.

What are your thoughts?


The Southern Strategy is dead. Here’s to America’s future.
Opinion by Cornell Belcher
November 27, 2020 at 12:00 p.m. PST
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Cornell Belcher was a member of Barack Obama’s 2008 and 2012 polling teams and is an MSNBC analyst.

The Southern Strategy is dead. Long live the Southern Strategy.

The political scheme that Richard M. Nixon employed to cleave White voters from the Democratic Party in 1968 has finally run its course. It worked well for too long — far longer than expected. But the results from Georgia and Arizona are its death knell.

Joe Biden’s popular vote margin of victory (6 million votes, and still counting) suggests Republicans will be increasingly disadvantaged in presidential contests. The tribalism that confines the GOP in the main to a racially aggrieved cohort of the electorate is slow-motion political suicide. The future belongs to those who embrace a diverse America, not to those who reject it. To win the future, political campaigns will need to move away from tribalism. When that happens, America will prosper.

The death knell has been a long time coming. In 1964, Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, outlawing discrimination based on race. Signing the measure was an act of moral political courage: Johnson, a Southerner well acquainted with the ferocity of racism, understood that by embracing the rights of African Americans, his political party would suffer long-lasting consequences. Johnson is widely believed to have predicted to aides that the new law could cost his party votes in the South for a generation.

If that prophecy was right, it was also too narrow. Democrats didn’t lose the South for a generation; two generations is closer to the mark. Democrats have failed to come anywhere close to winning a majority of White voters in a presidential contest in the five decades since 1964. Jimmy Carter, a Southerner himself, won only 48 percent of the White vote in 1976. Even in the history-making race of 2008, Barack Obama won just 43 percent of the White vote. Such is the power of tribalism in the United States.

Nonetheless, I had expected Biden to do better than 41 percent among White voters. I had hoped Trump’s relentless efforts to fan greater racial division would backfire, but instead he garnered more White votes in 2020 than any candidate in history. The old ghosts of racial resentments are not easily exorcised in America.

But they are losing their power. America is not going to get whiter.

In 2004, about 77 percent of the electorate was White; in 2020, by exit poll estimates, 67 percent of the electorate was White. In 2024, I suspect the national presidential electorate will be around 65 or 64 percent White. You can see the challenge for Republicans: With each election, they must win a larger swath of a shrinking share of the electorate. They may conclude that only by energizing every last disaffected White voter can the party retain its seats in Congress and state legislatures. This strategy will make the GOP meaner, smaller and more nativist. It guarantees only diminishing returns.

Yet still the political pundits continue to ask: Can Democrats do better among working-class White voters? What they should be pointing out is that Republicans will never win another national election unless they do better among voters of color. It is no longer a sustainable strategy to lose voters of color by a 45-point margin. But judging by the reactions of those eyeing a bid for the 2024 GOP nomination, they have learned the wrong lesson from 2020. They will conclude, “We came so close.” Some will spend time trying to figure out how to outdo Trump at his own tribal game.

So, while the Southern Strategy is failing as a viable pathway to winning the White House, it will be revivified — and soon. It may have a different name or more modern dress. But at its core will be the same old White tribalism. And as that tribalism fails Republicans in the future, they will take more desperate measures, such as trying to steal elections instead of win them.
The Southern Strategy is dead. Long live the Southern Strategy.
 

uclaLabrat

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Trump made up enough ground with blacks and Hispanics to maybe delay the inevitable for a while. That and the failure of dems to break the back of gerrymandering in a lot of states means they still may lose state and congressional seats.
 
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Starbuck1975

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The southern strategy is dead, but Trump amazingly enough demonstrated that it is still viable to build a social conservative coalition.
 
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Good good... continue to think you will win elections while putting up establishment old hags up as your candidate...

History... most CERTAINLY... NEVER EVER...repeats itself.


I think probably the most comical part of the election cycles is how Democrats continue to throw blankets on black/brown people and other minority groups and say "Vote for us, because we care about you!" - even though they do absolutely nothing to help or support them during their tenure. They are just useless flyover states.

Now you're seeing that you can't just buy votes with virtue signaling and declaring your preferred pronouns.
 

MrSquished

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Good good... continue to think you will win elections while putting up establishment old hags up as your candidate...

History... most CERTAINLY... NEVER EVER...repeats itself.


I think probably the most comical part of the election cycles is how Democrats continue to throw blankets on black/brown people and other minority groups and say "Vote for us, because we care about you!" - even though they do absolutely nothing to help or support them during their tenure. They are just useless flyover states.

Now you're seeing that you can't just buy votes with virtue signaling and declaring your preferred pronouns.

Why do you keep pretending the Democrats do nothing to help or support black or brown people? Ever hear of DACA? Minimum wage increases that would help those in lower end jobs which are often black and brown people? The Voting Rights act by John Lewis to undo the damage of the SC decision that disenfranchised many minorities? To prohibit discrimination at financial institutions https://www.americanbanker.com/news...uld-ban-discrimination-in-financial-services? And plenty more.

You keep repeating the same tired shit all the time like it's true. You are like a muppet with Mitch McConnel's hand up it's ass spouting the same tired talking points.
 

Indus

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The southern strategy is dead, but Trump amazingly enough demonstrated that it is still viable to build a social conservative coalition.

Did he?

6 million more votes on the other side.

The electoral college and voter suppression makes it closer than it should be.
 

Fenixgoon

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Did he?

6 million more votes on the other side.

The electoral college and voter suppression makes it closer than it should be.

In an election year with higher than average turnout.

What will it look like in 2022? I'm not counting out the Southern Strategy just yet.
 
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The southern strategy morphed into white grievance politics & went nationwide a long time ago. Somebody said "Flyover Country" 30 years ago & they're still all butt hurt & persecuted feeling about it. Oh, and all the non-White people in those parts of the country should feel butt hurt, too, because reasons.
 
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MrSquished

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Why do you keep pretending the Democrats do nothing to help or support black or brown people? Ever hear of DACA? Minimum wage increases that would help those in lower end jobs which are often black and brown people? The Voting Rights act by John Lewis to undo the damage of the SC decision that disenfranchised many minorities? To prohibit discrimination at financial institutions https://www.americanbanker.com/news...uld-ban-discrimination-in-financial-services? And plenty more.

You keep repeating the same tired shit all the time like it's true. You are like a muppet with Mitch McConnel's hand up it's ass spouting the same tired talking points.
Crickets dipshit.
 

JEDIYoda

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Good good... continue to think you will win elections while putting up establishment old hags up as your candidate...

History... most CERTAINLY... NEVER EVER...repeats itself.


I think probably the most comical part of the election cycles is how Democrats continue to throw blankets on black/brown people and other minority groups and say "Vote for us, because we care about you!" - even though they do absolutely nothing to help or support them during their tenure. They are just useless flyover states.

Now you're seeing that you can't just buy votes with virtue signaling and declaring your preferred pronouns.
butt hurt much ? now that trump lost?? you really do noy know what you are talking about....
 
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The southern strategy morphed into white grievance politics & went nationwide a long time ago. Somebody said "Flyover Country" 30 years ago & they're still all butt hurt & persecuted feeling about it. Oh, and all the non-White people in those parts of the country should feel butt hurt, too, because reasons.
Maybe because they are not being fairly and honestly represented? Maybe because their values, jobs, interests aren't the same as those of the coastal elite? But of course not, elites like yourself are here to tell the peons what's good for them. They'd better like it or else......
 

Indus

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Maybe because they are not being fairly and honestly represented? Maybe because their values, jobs, interests aren't the same as those of the coastal elite? But of course not, elites like yourself are here to tell the peons what's good for them. They'd better like it or else......


They're bringing crime..
They're bringing drugs..
and some I assume are good people.

What's good for them is to go back where they came from


/sarcasm
 
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MrSquished

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Maybe because they are not being fairly and honestly represented? Maybe because their values, jobs, interests aren't the same as those of the coastal elite? But of course not, elites like yourself are here to tell the peons what's good for them. They'd better like it or else......
Yes. Such coastal elite values, like, you know, don't be racist. You do know what the southern strategy was all about don't you?

Racism.

As far as but being fairly represented, due to gerrymandering, 2 Senate seats per state and population caps on the house, less populated middle America is overrepresented.

You just don't know what you are talking about on any level.
 
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Indus

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Yes. Such coastal elite values, like, you know, don't be racist. You do know what the southern strategy was all about don't you?

Racism.

As far as but being fairly represented, due to gerrymandering, 2 Senate seats per state and population caps on the house, less populated middle America is overrepresented.

You just don't know what you are talking about on any level.

What the hell do you expect from a inbred fucktard that just shot himself full of heroin and ate 3 salted brisket today to lower his blood pressure but fuck coastal elites, fuck doctors, fuck everyone.. Go TRUMP.. pass him the bleach bro!
 
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Sunburn74

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Good good... continue to think you will win elections while putting up establishment old hags up as your candidate...

History... most CERTAINLY... NEVER EVER...repeats itself.


I think probably the most comical part of the election cycles is how Democrats continue to throw blankets on black/brown people and other minority groups and say "Vote for us, because we care about you!" - even though they do absolutely nothing to help or support them during their tenure. They are just useless flyover states.

Now you're seeing that you can't just buy votes with virtue signaling and declaring your preferred pronouns.
Actually if you were to follow history, you're generally more likely to win as an establishment hag than as someone new and completely unknown. That's actually what history teaches.

How did obama become president?
How did romney become senator?
How did rick scott become senator?
How did desantis or kemp become governors?
Why did rick perry or jeb bush get a legitimate shot at the presidency and were considered forerunners?
How did Kamala harris become VP?

The answer to these questions is they all were holding significant government positions of notoriety that allowed them to move up. The best way to move up in government is to already hold a government position. People like trump and mayor pete are far more the exception than the rule. Historically that has been true and it's still true today unfortunately.

Just saying before you open your mouth, use your brain and ask if what you're spouting is actually accuracy or just propaganda.
 
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What blows my mind are people that are actually dumb enough to make sweeping proclamations about stuff like "Southern Strategy dead" right after an election that basically subverted everyone's expectations (The right cannot seem to grasp that Trump lost, while the left is grappling with the fact that he got as many votes as he did and the massacre that was down ballot races).

We couldn't even figure this election out, but we've got all future elections sorted.

Yeah, ok.
 

trenchfoot

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Seems to me the more threatened an ideologically constrained and frustrated group becomes, the more hardened and resistant to change they become in response to the (perceived) threat. This seems to be where the Repub Party has settled into, unwilling to change with the times, unwilling to adjust, unwilling to adapt and join in on the fun. Locked themselves into self-imposed imprisonment, rigid, unyielding, isolated, insulated from the outside world where everyone else is moving forward in time.

And then the Conman Trump professed "Hey! Let ME be your leader because I feel your pain (you suckers) and I am the only one that can heal that pain (you losers), believe me, everybody knows this! (except you rubes) Come to me ye neglected and abandoned patriots and I will make you whole, I will get you the revenge you deserve against "the establishment!"

And LO AND BEHOLD.............lol
 

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Maybe because they are not being fairly and honestly represented? Maybe because their values, jobs, interests aren't the same as those of the coastal elite? But of course not, elites like yourself are here to tell the peons what's good for them. They'd better like it or else......

There remains a tremendous irony to grousing about "elites" when you voted for a billionaire fraudster who appointed people based on nepotism and enacted policies that favor the wealthy and corporations over everyday people.

You love elites, you worship them, you want to cede all power to them.
 

HomerJS

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Good good... continue to think you will win elections while putting up establishment old hags up as your candidate...

History... most CERTAINLY... NEVER EVER...repeats itself.


I think probably the most comical part of the election cycles is how Democrats continue to throw blankets on black/brown people and other minority groups and say "Vote for us, because we care about you!" - even though they do absolutely nothing to help or support them during their tenure. They are just useless flyover states.

Now you're seeing that you can't just buy votes with virtue signaling and declaring your preferred pronouns.
HAHA. You are a funny dude. Mitch McConnell is a new hag??

What is also funny you expect minorities to support Republicans when the are actively trying to take away their right to and disenfranchise their vote.

Also for you edification, Biden was pushed by Democrats because he was the only one acceptable to suburban white people. Someone like Corey Booker was too black after Obama. My early pick Mayor Pete was too gay for Republicans.
 
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woolfe9998

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I think the problem is that people read too much into a single election result. People assumed that the GOP was politically dead after Obama won in 2008. There was all kinds of analysis to support it. But it wasn't true.

Another example, people are up in arms about Trump winning 32% of the Hispanic vote, thinking Hispanics are moving toward the GOP. But forgetting that Bush won 42% of it in 2004. So Trump is nowhere near the most recent GOP record in that. This time around the jump probably had to do with poor presence of the Biden campaign in south Florida and south Texas.

Much that happens in elections has to do with the particularities of the individual candidates, their strategies and spending priorities, as well as the national mood which can shift by degrees from one election to the next.

Will the next GOP candidate be able to get Trumpian turnouts among conservative voters? We'll see.
 

MrSquished

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Maybe because they are not being fairly and honestly represented? Maybe because their values, jobs, interests aren't the same as those of the coastal elite? But of course not, elites like yourself are here to tell the peons what's good for them. They'd better like it or else......
Btw if you think Trump is not an elite, you are an idiot. But nevermind his cabinet and advisors are like a list of ivy league graduates.

You people are so so dumb.