Is the simplicity argument still valid for mac's?

[Nemesis 1]

I bought a mac just to learn how to use one. I don't care if people think I'm better or worse because of it.

I have a ruby setup here I keep in nice shape I really liked it. I still do . The baby really gets angry when his brother is on the gamer. He really really likes Ruby , I won't let him PLAY with it. OH Boy! This one is way to much like gramps for my taste, LOL

 

[Mike Gayner]

OS X is easy to use for the fact you don't need to dick with device drivers alone.

I reformatted my machine recently with Win 7 and didn't install any drivers except the video driver. And even that gets installed through auto update, though not the latest version I think.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Why on earth would you ask that here?

You may as well post a poll that says what's better? A rock or an Apple product...

You'll end up with 75% of posters voting for the rock and starting a flame war...

Not so sure; those unibody macbooks are pretty tough. They'll probably beat a hobo's head in just as effectively as a rock.

And if you install Windows, you can play games!

 

[MotionMan]

Not so sure; those unibody macbooks are pretty tough. They'll probably beat a hobo's head in just as effectively as a rock.

And if you install Windows, you can play games!

Yeah, but not very well because of the substandard hardware.

:whiste:

MotionMan

 

[corwin]

OS X is easy to use for the fact you don't need to dick with device drivers alone.

True that...you also don't have to sort through a ton of options for what hardware you want to install, they limit those choices for you so it's "easy"

 

[dr150]

Taylor Swift uses PC :thumbsup:

Wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KW6GqzJUu2M#t=486s

 

[AstroManLuca]

OS X is easy to use for the fact you don't need to dick with device drivers alone.

Yeah because so little hardware is compatible with it.

When I was a Mac user, I spent more time researching which peripherals were actually compatible than I ever spent messing with drivers as a Windows user (of course it helps that I never bothered with SoundBlaster products). Not to mention the Mac tax that gets applied to Mac-compatible products. Slap a Mac-compatible sticker on your webcam and boom, the price triples.

The question in general is hard to answer because both are very easy to use. I think OS X was better than Windows XP/Vista, and XP's main advantages were hardware freedom and gaming. But Windows 7 is such a step up that I believe it has basically achieved parity with OS X. Then it just comes down to personal preference - a computer noob who has only ever used Macs will obviously find Macs easier, and vice versa.

 

[vi edit]

In OSX I have yet to go to a website that has some sort of trojan embedded in it that slips past virus scanners, up to date IE security settings, and a cautious user and *still* manage to slip itself into an install and completely fuck up your PC needing you to boot into safemode and comb through registry settings, temp files, and Msconfig utilities.

That alone makes it the browsing machine of choice for me.

 

[Ns1]

In OSX I have yet to go to a website that has some sort of trojan embedded in it that slips past virus scanners, up to date IE security settings, and a cautious user and *still* manage to slip itself into an install and completely fuck up your PC needing you to boot into safemode and comb through registry settings, temp files, and Msconfig utilities.

That alone makes it the browsing machine of choice for me.

:thumbsup:

and this is true for all variants of windows (xp, vista, 7)

 

[AstroManLuca]

In OSX I have yet to go to a website that has some sort of trojan embedded in it that slips past virus scanners, up to date IE security settings, and a cautious user and *still* manage to slip itself into an install and completely fuck up your PC needing you to boot into safemode and comb through registry settings, temp files, and Msconfig utilities.

That alone makes it the browsing machine of choice for me.

Hmm, I've been running Common Sense 2011 alongside Firefox for almost a year now and have never run into that problem. Although I can see how it could be an issue for people like my mother in law who don't have it installed.

Or maybe I'm just lucky...

 

[lxskllr]

Hmm, I've been running Common Sense 2011 alongside Firefox for almost a year now and have never run into that problem. Although I can see how it could be an issue for people like my mother in law who don't have it installed.

Or maybe I'm just lucky...

The only virus I've ever gotten was one I explicitly installed out of temporary stupidity. Viruses aren't as common, or as hard to deal with as the other O/Ss claim.

 

[torpid]

I think the Mac gets simple things right. More advanced things feel easier on Windows, and feel somewhat buried in the Mac. That said, I still don't understand window management on the Mac. I minimize something and sometimes it shows up in task-switching tools such as expose, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it goes to the bottom of the screen, and sometimes it doesn't. It appears to vary by the application and some apps are not behaving in a standard way. I am unclear why MacOS allows this. That, or I am just stupid and it's a lot simpler than I am making it out to be.

 

[Ns1]

I think the Mac gets simple things right. More advanced things feel easier on Windows, and feel somewhat buried in the Mac. That said, I still don't understand window management on the Mac. I minimize something and sometimes it shows up in task-switching tools such as expose, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it goes to the bottom of the screen, and sometimes it doesn't. It appears to vary by the application and some apps are not behaving in a standard way. I am unclear why MacOS allows this. That, or I am just stupid and it's a lot simpler than I am making it out to be.

I hit 4 finger swipe to expose and don't think about it? Never encountered the issue you are talking about.

 

[gorcorps]

We say...

"Wrong forum."

MotionMan

I think he put it here so he can say "shit"

 

[vi edit]

The only virus I've ever gotten was one I explicitly installed out of temporary stupidity. Viruses aren't as common, or as hard to deal with as the other O/Ss claim.

It's not so much viruses as it is spyware/trojans that you pick up through websites. A couple weeks ago somebody linked to a comic page here and my antivirus (Avira) freaked out with a trojan alert. I had the AV deny access and then about 30 seconds later my system freaked out. It still installed. I managed to get it cleaned off but it still completly hosed my system. Shortcuts and application folders got wiped out and some other whacky problems.

A year ago on this very site some image exploit let malware get installed and that was a bitch to get off as well.

It's that kind of stuff that just annoys the hell out of me.

 

[nageov3t]

I hit 4 finger swipe to expose and don't think about it? Never encountered the issue you are talking about.

4 finger swipe -- perfectly intuitive design that anyone could figure out on their own.

 

[Ns1]

4 finger swipe -- perfectly intuitive design that anyone could figure out on their own.

well you COULD hit the bigass mission control/expose icon in the dock...or be a pro and learn how to abuse multi-touch gestures.

 

[Gibson486]

I never found Apple particularly easy. None of it is especially hard. When you get down to it, Linux is probably the easiest. Any decent O/S is made for the dumbest fucker on the planet. A lot of time is spent making things easy to use. Anyone having issues is focusing on the wrong thing by looking at the O/S.

Linux is easy until you have to update something....

 

[Printer Bandit]

The control panel in Win 7 scares me.

 

[Bateluer]

Linux is easy until you have to update something....

Man, clicking that Update Now button sure is hard work.

I've got Windows 7 on my main desktop, Lion on my MBA, and Mint on my test box right now. Windows 7 and Lion are equally easy to use, though I enjoy Lion on the notebook platform. So much easier to browse the web with the touch pad gestures. Windows based laptops are behind on that regard, and pretty much need a mouse to be effective.

 

[Schadenfreude]

this

 

[dave_the_nerd]

The control panel in Win 7 scares me.

I fought it - I switched back to classic view and tried to learn where everything was.

After a while I gave up and started using the stupid little search box.

GUI peaked with Win2k, imho.

 

[busydude]

Linux is easy until you have to update something....

2005 says hi.

 

[bignateyk]

I never found Apple particularly easy. None of it is especially hard. When you get down to it, Linux is probably the easiest. Any decent O/S is made for the dumbest fucker on the planet. A lot of time is spent making things easy to use. Anyone having issues is focusing on the wrong thing by looking at the O/S.

Hahaha, dream on. Anything you need to do in Linux takes skill. Even performing simple program installs that would take my Grandma 30 seconds on a Mac or Windows box can be frusterating dissasters on Linux for someone who knows alot more about computers than your average user. Between obtaining the right "packages" and getting all the environment variables set properly, etc... Linux isn't newb friendly at all.

 

[lxskllr]

Hahaha, dream on. Anything you need to do in Linux takes skill. Even performing simple program installs that would take my Grandma 30 seconds on a Mac or Windows box can be frusterating dissasters on Linux for someone who knows alot more about computers than your average user. Between obtaining the right "packages" and getting all the environment variables set properly, etc... Linux isn't newb friendly at all.

I want VLC...

Open Synaptic, and search vlc

There it is! Click install

You also need dependencies x, y, and z, install?

Yes

I now have VLC installed, and it'll update from a central location, as does all my software, even the craptastic Flash. How does it get any easier than that?!