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Is the Republican party really this dumb?

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OneOfTheseDays said:
Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman? Seriously, this is the BEST you can field?

NONE of these candidates has a snowball's chance in hell of defeating Obama in a general election. Both are already being painted as lunatics by the media and suburban voters will simply not vote for either of these candidates.

Obama is in a very weakened position right now and it really would not take much to defeat him should the economy stay roughly where it is today next year. It's pretty hilarious to watch how utterly insane the GOP has gotten as of late, first Palin and now Bachman and Perry.
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...I don't think they're that bad really. I don't see what's the big difference between Obama and Perry or Bachmann.
 
kranky said:
This is why I like what the Tea Partiers are doing. They anger both mainstream parties, and that's exactly what is needed. The two parties are simply too comfortable. The elected TP can thumb their nose at lobbyists because they owe them nothing. We need more elected officials who can do that, no matter what their political stance.
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Anyone who thinks that Tea Partiers aren't in any corporate pocket is crazy. Have you heard of ALEC? A lot of these Tea Party politicians are members or graduates and are pushing that agenda sometimes to the point where they just copy/paste the model legislation as a bill. From my understanding, those model legislation need to be approved by a majority of a panel that is 50/50 corporate members and legislators.
 
Atreus21 said:
...I don't think they're that bad really. I don't see what's the big difference between Obama and Perry or Bachmann.
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I know people who said that about Mr Gore and Mr Bush back in 2000 and Mr Bush and Mr Kerry back in 2004. The country will be paying for those mistakes in perception for the next two or three generations.
 
Siddhartha said:
I know people who said that about Mr Gore and Mr Bush back in 2000 and Mr Bush and Mr Kerry back in 2004. The country will be paying for those mistakes in perception for the next two or three generations.
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But I don't see them as mistakes. I preferred Bush to Gore, and Bush to Kerry. Your only real response to that is, "Well, you're just stupid if you liked Bush."

Well, I disagree. Bush was miles from perfect or even very good, but he did one thing that I particularly liked: the partial-birth abortion ban. Neither Kerry nor Gore would've signed it, and to me that issue was more important than any war or money problem.
 
zinfamous said:
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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/15/110815fa_fact_lizza

try and tell me that Obama sounds anything remotely similar to this.
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What quote specifically? That she said evolution is a theory and that ID should be taught in schools?

Okay, I disagree that ID should be taught alongside evolution because they address different schools of thought: mainly science and philosophy (or maybe theology). But that doesn't bring me to the point of saying "Dear God the woman's off her rocker."

I only skimmed the article. Perhaps you could point me to specific quote.

What I suspect is that your conclusion isn't reached by an objective appraisal of her character, but simply by the fact that she isn't on your team. I admit to having this weakness (associating character with party-affiliation), but I wish others would stop pretending as if their opinion is objective.
 
Atreus21 said:
But I don't see them as mistakes. I preferred Bush to Gore, and Bush to Kerry. Your only real response to that is, "Well, you're just stupid if you liked Bush."

Well, I disagree. Bush was miles from perfect or even very good, but he did one thing that I particularly liked: the partial-birth abortion ban. Neither Kerry nor Gore would've signed it, and to me that issue was more important than any war or money problem.
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My reply was, back during the 2000 election people said they did not see any difference between Mr Bush and Mr Gore. They were wrong:

George W Bush got the US into two wars. Mr Bush's wars and tax cuts have led the US into the financial mess it is currently in.

Mr Gore would definitely have not invaded Iraq and probably not Afghanistan either. Mr Gore would not have pushed for the tax cuts Mr Bush did.


If you do not see a major difference between Mr Obama and Ms Bachmann or Mr Perry, you are not listening to what these people are saying.
 
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Siddhartha said:
My reply was, back during the 2000 election people said they did not see any difference between Mr Bush and Mr Gore. They were wrong:

George W Bush got the US into two wars. Mr Bush's wars and tax cuts have led the US into the financial mess it is currently in.

Mr Gore would definitely have not invaded Iraq and probably not Afghanistan either. Mr Gore would not have pushed for the tax cuts Mr Bush did.


If you do not see a major difference between Mr Obama and Ms Bachmann or Mr Perry, you are not listening to what these people are saying.
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He is saying he is a single issue voter. He will vote for social conservatist above all else.
 
Siddhartha said:
My reply was, back during the 2000 election people said they did not see any difference between Mr Bush and Mr Gore. They were wrong:

George W Bush got the US into two wars. Mr Bush's wars and tax cuts have led the US into the financial mess it is currently in.

Mr Gore would definitely have not invaded Iraq and probably not Afghanistan either. Mr Gore would not have pushed for the tax cuts Mr Bush did.


If you do not see a major difference between Mr Obama and Ms Bachmann or Mr Perry, you are not listening to what these people are saying.
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And you are benefiting from enormous hindsight. You have no idea what Gore might've done after 9/11 with a wave of popular support to hold SOMEONE responsible for what happened. It's easy to say these things 10 years after the fact.

What I'm listening to is what I've always listened to. People hating the other team for some flaws while ignoring similar flaws with their own.
 
JSt0rm said:
He is saying he is a single issue voter. He will vote for social conservatist above all else.
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I'm saying that nothing, in my mind, trumps the state-sanctioned killing of one's own offspring. I'm not in favor of all tenants of the social-conservative platform; for example I don't really care about gay marriage anymore (I used to - Not much now).
 
Atreus21 said:
I'm saying that nothing, in my mind, trumps the state-sanctioned killing of one's own offspring. I'm not in favor of all tenants of the social-conservative platform; for example I don't really care about gay marriage anymore (I used to - Not much now).
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Single issue voter. They love your kind.
 
Red Dawn said:
Yet the Independants will but they sure as hell aren't going to vote for any religious nuts like that Bachman or Perry
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exactly.

this is why the republican party is broken.

They allowed themselves to be hijacked by a delusional super-minority.
 
zinfamous said:
exactly.

this is why the republican party is broken.

They allowed themselves to be hijacked by a delusional super-minority.
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I wouldn't classify that as broken 😉 Time to sit back and make some popcorn because this show is going to get good 😉
 
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Atreus21 said:
What quote specifically? That she said evolution is a theory and that ID should be taught in schools?

Okay, I disagree that ID should be taught alongside evolution because they address different schools of thought: mainly science and philosophy (or maybe theology). But that doesn't bring me to the point of saying "Dear God the woman's off her rocker."

I only skimmed the article. Perhaps you could point me to specific quote.

What I suspect is that your conclusion isn't reached by an objective appraisal of her character, but simply by the fact that she isn't on your team. I admit to having this weakness (associating character with party-affiliation), but I wish others would stop pretending as if their opinion is objective.
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look into her espoused mentors--the one's whom she actively announced as her spiritual and social guides.

Her end-times approach towards legislating.


This women is a certified nutter.

Indeed, she will never be on my team...because she is a complete nutter (not the fun kind of nutter; the dangerous kind if they ever gain power)
 
zinfamous said:
look into her espoused mentors--the one's whom she actively announced as her spiritual and social guides.

Her end-times approach towards legislating.


This women is a certified nutter.

Indeed, she will never be on my team...because she is a complete nutter (not the fun kind of nutter; the dangerous kind if they ever gain power)
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I still don't buy it. Change some names and party-affiliations, and you'll have the same objections righties made to Obama in 08, or against Kerry in 04, or who knows what else.

I still believe if she were a (D) you'd not be so concerned.
 
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