Is the racism against blacks warranted?

[SheHateMe]

Dumbass quote. Do we have AA for golf, Nascar, Tennis, Swimming, or Hockey?

or Gymnastics, Equestrian, Polo....etc


Bringing up AA in sports is incredibly stupid..because as you can see, anyone who is exceptional at a Sport has a spot ANYWHERE. Plenty of white guys in the NBA, I know about a lot of white rappers and hip hop artists (saying the opposite means you don't really know what the hell you're talking about), tons of white guys in the NFL.


Its really a stupid analogy to begin with.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I didn't watch the video but to answer your question doesn't require watching a youtube video... I don't care what is on it.

The answer is no. Racism is never warranted.

 

[SheHateMe]

That being said, when you post overtly racist things and/or blather on endlessly about your conversion from well-meaning liberal to card-carrying bigot, you can't seriously expect that it won't generate hostility. I sincerely think you might be more comfortable on stormfront, where like-minded people run the place.

Geo knows exactly what hes doin. Thats why he tries so hard to make it seem like other posters are the ones with the problem whenever we have something to say in response to his drivel.


The fact that there is very little minority presence on this forum makes it easy for people like Geo to make racially charged posts that mostly go unchallenged. A few threads back, I was fighting negative and untrue statements being made about blacks. Guess what I was told "you don't understand because you're black and too emotionally attached".

It's really disgusting.

 

[waggy]

or Gymnastics, Equestrian, Polo....etc


Bringing up AA in sports is incredibly stupid..because as you can see, anyone who is exceptional at a Sport has a spot ANYWHERE. Plenty of white guys in the NBA, I know about a lot of white rappers and hip hop artists, tons of white guys in the NFL.


Its really a stupid analogy to begin with.

yeah you are right on that. in every sport i can watch there are outstanding players of white and black.

 

[buckshot24]

The fact that there is very little minority presence on this forum makes it easy for people like Geo to make racially charged posts that mostly go unchallenged. A few threads back, I was fighting negative and untrue statements being made about blacks. Guess what I was told "you don't understand because you're black and too emotionally attached".

It's really disgusting.

I was accused of not understanding possible racism because I am white. Equally disgusting.

 

[SheHateMe]

yeah you are right on that. in every sport i can watch there are outstanding players of white and black.

Exactly.

 

[fskimospy]

I was accused of not understanding possible racism because I am white. Equally disgusting.

No, that's just reality and it's not limited to white people. We are all products of our own experience and there are some situations where we may not understand how something is racist or discriminatory because we haven't been exposed to it in that way.

 

[SheHateMe]

I was accused of not understanding possible racism because I am white. Equally disgusting.

My post was not about racism but about racially charged comments about specific races that were either untrue to said to be controversial.

Case in point, one poster definitively stated that blacks "don't go to school and don't care about education". Untrue

Black females are "thugs with vaginas"

And then there is Geo with his multiple theories on how blacks are better suited for running, but not learning, predisposed to certain behaviors,etc..

Of course, If I have something to say back at that since these people are talking about me...I'm the one that has the problem.



When a mod can give me an infraction about posting a negative joke about gun owners in a thread, but another poster can make a racially charged comment MULTIPLE times with no fucking problem..that disgusts me.

Sometimes I think the mods here are incredibly biased. Especially since I got that infraction after getting into a spat with a mod who claimed the kids at Sandy Hook "didn't matter" because people "die everyday from heart disease".

 

[Svnla]

yeah you are right on that. in every sport i can watch there are outstanding players of white and black.

You are missing my point, not about good or bad player but about AA/set aside/quota programs.

How about this statement? (paraphrasing)

"but...but..but....there are not enough whites/latinos/asians in the NBA, we need to use "holistic approach" to get more players from other races for diversification and our enrichement. Standardized benchmarks and tests to pick out the best ones are biased and unfair for those "underpresentation" folks".

Ridiculous, right? Then why we use that crap for school/college admission? That's my point (bashing AA/set aside/quota programs of any kinds and those that are giving excuses for those programs to continue).

 

[nemesismk2]

Tell that to the NBA and NFL.

Disparity of outcomes proves racist hiring procedures right?

yes i think quota programs are wrong. If you are the best then the colour of your skin shouldn't matter.

 

[Svnla]

yes i think quota programs are wrong. If you are the best then the colour of your skin shouldn't matter.

Amen. I could not agree more with the bolded/underlined parts. As I said many times before, discrimination against a group is wrong, so is discrimination against any other group(s), not less.

 

[SheHateMe]

yes i think quota programs are wrong. If you are the best then the colour of your skin shouldn't matter.

Does anyone have an proof that Non-black players who are really good are being shut out of Pro Sports?

Just because Geo says so doesn't mean it is so.

 

[CWRMadcat]

or Gymnastics, Equestrian, Polo....etc


Bringing up AA in sports is incredibly stupid..because as you can see, anyone who is exceptional at a Sport has a spot ANYWHERE. Plenty of white guys in the NBA, I know about a lot of white rappers and hip hop artists (saying the opposite means you don't really know what the hell you're talking about), tons of white guys in the NFL.


Its really a stupid analogy to begin with.

And anyone who is exceptional academically has a spot in plenty of universities. What's your point?

 

[SheHateMe]

And anyone who is exceptional academically has a spot in plenty of universities. What's your point?

I clearly stated my point in the post you quoted.

 

[CWRMadcat]

I clearly stated my point in the post you quoted.

Bringing up AA in academics is dumb as well. Plenty of spots out there for talented students.

 

[SheHateMe]

Bringing up AA in academics is dumb as well. Plenty of spots out there for talented students.

Okay?

 

[Joepublic2]

This is my point exactly. You are 5% of population but makeup 20% of most universities. So they are not under represented and not short of equal opportunity.

So? The people with the best measurable academic performance should be admitted. Race shouldn't factor into the equation, period. To do otherwise is like letting somebody with a 10 second 40 time onto the track team because "they tried really hard". Anybody who says otherwise is arguing for racial discrimination, as per the definitions of the words.

I said many many times, college is way more than just a secondary education. And no student should ever be judged soley on just scores for admission.

If college is such an important thing to society it'd be wise to give the most capable people in society first stab at it, whether that be academically or athletically (or both). The only alternative to using some kind of performance measurement is tribalism (racial) or nepotism (my dad is an alumni, my boyfriend's aunt works in admissions etc). AA does nothing but create a society that strives towards mediocrity, and then (naive) people wonder why the US is getting its ass stomped with regards to educational outcomes.

Also lol troll thread got to 12 pages.

 

[classy]

So? The people with the best measurable academic performance should be admitted. Race shouldn't factor into the equation, period. To do otherwise is like letting somebody with a 10 second 40 time onto the track team because "they tried really hard". Anybody who says otherwise is arguing for racial discrimination, as per the definitions of the words.



If college is such an important thing to society it'd be wise to give the most capable people in society first stab at it, whether that be academically or athletically (or both). The only alternative to using some kind of performance measurement is tribalism (racial) or nepotism (my dad is an alumni, my boyfriend's aunt works in admissions etc). AA does nothing but create a society that strives towards mediocrity, and then (naive) people wonder why the US is getting its ass stomped with regards to educational outcomes.

Also lol troll thread got to 12 pages.

You are completely out of touch.

 

[SheHateMe]

AA does nothing but create a society that strives towards mediocrity, and then (naive) people wonder why the US is getting its ass stomped with regards to educational outcomes.

I don't think you can blame society's problems on AA. For example, your comment about striving towards mediocrity...our education system has been failing for years, our place in the World in terms of education is quite dismal.

This really has nothing to do with Affirmative Action.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think you can blame society's problems on AA. For example, your comment about striving towards mediocrity...our education system has been failing for years, our place in the World in terms of education is quite dismal.

This really has nothing to do with Affirmative Action.

Not to mention that it's our colleges where it is most prevalent, and they are the envy of the world.

 

[buckshot24]

I don't know what else to say to you; seriously, you are beyond teaching. Shockingly enough, researchers at Yale did not employ a bullshit method of statistical sampling that you the guy who has repeatedly shown he knows nothing about statistics has suddenly figured out.

Ad Hominen argumentation doesn't address the points I bring up.

This will be my last attempt to explain it to you. Remember how you fought so long and hard against everyone about the election polls? You're doing it again here. You don't learn your lesson very easily, do you.

The election has nothing to do with this or my points.

Cutting out the people who called neither back would be completely illogical unless you had reason to believe that the businesses were unwilling or incapable of giving a response to ANY AND ALL resumes that they were sent.

The only thing we know about them is that they had absolutely nothing to say about discrimination in any form. They simply didn't participate in the relevant portion of the data. It is absolutely irrelevant if they would have otherwise responded but were abducted by aliens instead. The bottom line is they didn't have anything to say about the issue since they replied to nobody. There were 1098 that replied to nobody and only 232 who replied to at least one person.

There is no reason whatsoever to think that such a thing happened with enough of the 1,300 businesses contacted to impact the study's significance, particularly in light of the fact that the levels of significance were extremely, extremely high.

Its a study about possible discrimination yet they used a sample in determining significance that had absolutely nothing to say about race or whether white wine tastes better than red wine.

For the last time it doesn't matter one whit if someone called neither back. Not. One. Tiny. Bit. out of the 1,300 businesses, when presented with functionally identical resumes they decided to call back white people approximately 10% of the time and black people approximately 6.5% of the time. Since we were measuring overall response rate, no responses are fundamentally a part of that.

There were only 232 businesses who replied to anybody. Why should we give a fuck about the 1098 who made no response at all? We shouldn't because at the end of the day they gave us ZERO data in support and ZERO data contradicting businesses discriminate.

End of story.

Have it your way.

Oh, and in the future I will most certainly not quit harping on your lack of education. If you want to discuss a topic you know nothing about expect me to remind you of that.

And I'll tell you to go fuck yourself and address my points instead of my education.

 

[They Live]

Man, the racism on youtube is strong.

 

[Arkaign]

There are legit reasons to examine race, culture, genetics, and so forth. But it's very dangerous territory when so many have agendas they might not even realize they hold.

The answer to the simple question in the title of the OP is a resounding NO.

 

[buckshot24]

No, that's just reality and it's not limited to white people. We are all products of our own experience and there are some situations where we may not understand how something is racist or discriminatory because we haven't been exposed to it in that way.

Then it is equally valid to say that a black person doesn't know how whites are treated since they have never experienced it and making a comparison is therefore invalid. The black person simply doesn't have a point of reference except that of being black in society.

 

[buckshot24]

My post was not about racism but about racially charged comments about specific races that were either untrue to said to be controversial.

Case in point, one poster definitively stated that blacks "don't go to school and don't care about education". Untrue

Black females are "thugs with vaginas"

Well, that is absurd. If anybody says that kind of crap then they are idiots. However it might be valid to say that a higher proportion of black females tend to be "thugish" (if the data suggests such a thing). Just as it is valid to say that a higher proportion of white people tend to like nascar.

And then there is Geo with his multiple theories on how blacks are better suited for running, but not learning, predisposed to certain behaviors,etc..

I don't know about learning but any Olympic 100 meter dash seems to not have many white people in the finals. There are some physiological differences in our bodies. It's ridiculous to ignore those differences.

Of course, If I have something to say back at that since these people are talking about me...I'm the one that has the problem.

Obviously that's ridiculous.

When a mod can give me an infraction about posting a negative joke about gun owners in a thread, but another poster can make a racially charged comment MULTIPLE times with no fucking problem..that disgusts me.

Infractions aren't something that I'd be concerned about. Although, I'd like to see that joke.