Is the President Pro-guns

[a777pilot]

If you, that wish to install gun control, want to see what gun control is like, just look at Chicago and mexico. There's your gun control in action.

 

[K1052]

If you, that wish to install gun control, want to see what gun control is like, just look at Chicago and mexico. There's your gun control in action.

Yet Texas outnumbers Illinois in total annual homicides by 2 to 1.:hmm:
On a per capita basis the rate is nearly identical.


The amount of gun control on the books has about nothing to do with the crime rates in a given area. It is far more a factor of economics.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, seeing as if the NRA hasn't lit the smoke pots and raised the red flags of alarm in its usual theatrical manner and timing, I'd say the Obama admin. has done a good job of keeping the NRA and it's sensationalist profit making tactics out of the political arena....for now.

That being said, I wouldn't put it past the NRA to once again sow fear and suspicion for profit before the election. It's just too much of a temptation for the NRA to pass up.

I guess what really makes me LOL about how the NRA operates its propaganda op is the symbiotic relationship it has developed with those gun nuts who have an insatiable appetite for more toys to play with. Any excuse the NRA provides them to stock up on ammo that never gets used and goes bad, or buying the firearm that they never REALLY wanted is more than welcome for them and thus completes the circle of dependence on each other.

My firearms are limited to what I need to protect my family and put some really good tasting game on the dining room table. I feel confident handling each and every one. I know them well. I don't need an armory like the NRA wants me have. But that's just me.

The NRA in colusion with the arms manufacturers has used the "Obama's going to grab your guns" meme to sell more arms and amunition than probably any period in our nations history. I'm just waiting for the arms bubble to burst so I can get me some cheap weapons.

Hell, they've even got the Discovery channel in on it with not one but two shows about gun shops and at least one other show about target shooting. Might as well call it the NRA channel.

 

[a777pilot]

Yet Texas outnumbers Illinois in total annual homicides by 2 to 1.:hmm:
On a per capita basis the rate is nearly identical.


The amount of gun control on the books has about nothing to do with the crime rates in a given area. It is far more a factor of economics.

Did I say Illinois?

Texas is a big place. The reason the murder rate is so high here is mexican drugs....and those that sell it and use it.

I would much rather live where I still have the right to defend myself and my family, than rely on the efforts of the police. Remember....when seconds count, the police are but minutes away.

 

[K1052]

Did I say Illinois?

Texas is a big place. The reason the murder rate is so high here is mexican drugs....and those that sell it and use it.

I would much rather live where I still have the right to defend myself and my family, than rely on the efforts of the police. Remember....when seconds count, the police are but minutes away.

Of course there are no drugs or gangs in IL. They're shooting each other over popsicles and ice cream sandwiches.

Guns aren't illegal in IL or Chicago for that matter.

 

[Incorruptible]

obama is anti-guns and would use the murder of innocent people as an excuse to ban them. He cant be trusted

 

[a777pilot]

Of course there are no drugs or gangs in IL. They're shooting each other over popsicles and ice cream sandwiches.

Guns aren't illegal in IL or Chicago for that matter.

LOL!

Yes, I do believe there are one or two people selling and using drugs in and around Chicago.

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm

 

[MovingTarget]

The amount of gun control on the books has about nothing to do with the crime rates in a given area. It is far more a factor of economics.

This. High crime areas are also areas with higher levels of poverty. Who would've thought?

Obama is anti-guns and would use the murder of innocent people as an excuse to ban them. He cant be trusted

That is a very big unfounded accusation. It was the same tripe that was spewed back in 2008 when ammunition sales subsequently went through the roof. Four years into the Obama presidency have produced jack squat in terms of new federal gun control laws. Obama has not advocated any of the policies you accuse him of advocating. So lets just call this accusation what it really is...horseshit. It is nothing but NRA propaganda used to whip their base up into a frothed frenzy of political donations in their favor.

 

[BladeVenom]

Obama has not advocated any of the policies you accuse him of advocating. So lets just call this accusation what it really is...horseshit. It is nothing but NRA propaganda used to whip their base up into a frothed frenzy of political donations in their favor.

People in his administration, Eric Holder, and the DNC Executive Director says he supports an "assault weapons" ban. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIvKSR9W7o
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1#.UDlBCaB0hc8

So it's no surprise people expect some anti-Second Amendment legislation from Obama. They don't know exactly what it's going to be, so they are buying everything.

This has caused gun sales to skyrocket. I think this year is going to be the best year for gun sales in American history. It's already looking to be 20% over last years sales, and last year was a record year.

Obama is the best gun salesman in the world. So while the NRA may not like him, you have wonder if gun store owners and manufacturers don't secretly love him.

 

[monovillage]

This. High crime areas are also areas with higher levels of poverty. Who would've thought?


That is a very big unfounded accusation. It was the same tripe that was spewed back in 2008 when ammunition sales subsequently went through the roof. Four years into the Obama presidency have produced jack squat in terms of new federal gun control laws. Obama has not advocated any of the policies you accuse him of advocating. So lets just call this accusation what it really is...horseshit. It is nothing but NRA propaganda used to whip their base up into a frothed frenzy of political donations in their favor.

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Liar.

 

[K1052]

So it's no surprise people expect some anti-Second Amendment legislation from Obama. They don't know exactly what it's going to be, so they are buying everything.

You realize that Congress has to pass legislation, not the president. Had a look at the makeup of the House lately?

 

[MovingTarget]

obama is anti-guns and would use the murder of innocent people as an excuse to ban them. He cant be trusted

Liar.

Idiot. I was referring to Incorruptible's accusation that Obama "would use the murder of innocent people to ban them". Some sort of assault weapons ban isn't out of line historically from what we've experienced, even in recent history. For the record, I'm glad it expired as it was a ridiculous piece of legislation even if you do overlook the asinine requirements of what constituted an "assault weapon". But the fact of the matter remains, President Obama has done nothing to deserve the picture that the NRA has painted of him. If you listen to their rhetoric, Obama is a lefty gun grabber that will ban all firearms and ammunition sales, and come to your house to pry your guns from your "cold, dead hands". It really is rediculous. So show me where Obama has advocated any of that...hell, show me where Obama has advocated anything above and beyond what we've had in recent history with regards to gun control. Idle conversation about some nebulous assault weapons ban doesn't count.

 

[MovingTarget]

People in his administration, Eric Holder, and the DNC Executive Director says he supports an "assault weapons" ban. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIvKSR9W7o
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1#.UDlBCaB0hc8

So it's no surprise people expect some anti-Second Amendment legislation from Obama. They don't know exactly what it's going to be, so they are buying everything.

This has caused gun sales to skyrocket. I think this year is going to be the best year for gun sales in American history. It's already looking to be 20% over last years sales, and last year was a record year.

Obama is the best gun salesman in the world. So while the NRA may not like him, you have wonder if gun store owners and manufacturers don't secretly love him.

I am pro second Amendment and am inclined to agree with you. Obama, rightly or wrongly, has been a real boon to weapons and ammunition manufacturers and retailers. However, I tend not to take seriously the statements by Mr. Holder in 2009 as being indicative of Obama's current positions. A second Obama term is no more likely to see any gun control legislation being introduced than his first term. Even if it were his top priority, he couldn't do it, and he knows it. This is a good thing. The second amendment seems to be more of a red herring in the current debates compared to other issues.

 

[monovillage]

There's this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...iting-some-gun-use-in-wake-colorado-massacre/

Stepped up background checks, not that it matters since you'll just move the targets.

 

[MovingTarget]

There's this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...iting-some-gun-use-in-wake-colorado-massacre/

Stepped up background checks, not that it matters since you'll just move the targets.

As a gun owner, you'd know all about those, right?

I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," Obama said.

'nuf said.

 

[a777pilot]

Quote:
I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," Obama said.
'nuf said.

...and we all know the president would never lie.

 

[QuantumPion]

For a Dem. he seems to be quiet on guns the last four years.

Obama has been quoted as saying he doesn't think anyone should be allowed to own any guns. So he's not pro-gun. He is pro power-for-himself, which requires him, as a public official, to not call for the outright confiscation of all publicly held firearms.

 

[Smoblikat]

No he's anti-gun, but he cant get the support he needs to ban them.
And lets be honest, compared to health care, employment, immigration, and a dozen other things, its a REALLY small issue.
The man has bigger fish to fry. Leave him alone.

Bigger fish to fry? He hasnt done shit and he controlled our government for the first 2 years of his term. The second amendment means we have the right to BEAR arms, not acquire them. If this "treaty" goes through it will stop us from doing just that.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

If this "treaty" goes through it will stop us from doing just that.

Can you explain how this would work for someone like me to doesn't spend all of his time on InfoWars?

 

[a777pilot]

The Supreme Court has ruled that treaties do NOT replace or take precedence over the Constitution.

 

[Darwin333]

For a Dem. he seems to be quiet on guns the last four years.

He is smart. He has no intentions to pass any type of gun control regardless of his actual position on it. It will never pass and will only lose him support.

Hell, even the states are by and large becoming much more lax on their gun control laws.