Is the Pope actually mentioned in the Bible?

[beach2nd]

With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position? If it is man-made how is it justified that someone besides God could be called the "holy father"?




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[Phokus]

Originally posted by: beach2nd1
With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position? If it is man-made how is it justified that someone besides God could be called the "holy father"?

I read a lot of the bible and i'm pretty sure the pope isn't mentioned in it. It's 'justified' because man loves power and the pope has a lot of power (well had more power in the past anyway).

Personally, i find religion with centralized authority to be the most dangerous type of religion.

 

[conjur]

Uhhhh



NO.



Purely man-made.

 

[dmcowen674]

Americans think of Bush like a Pope. Very evident here.

 

[imported_litesgod]

Originally posted by: beach2nd1
With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position? If it is man-made how is it justified that someone besides God could be called the "holy father"?

Roman Catholics believe that Jesus created the position of 'head of the church' when he called Peter "the rock on which I will build my church." Hence the Roman Catholic tradition that Peter was the first bishop of rome and all popes have theologically descended from him.

Most protestant churchs don't believe in the position of 'head of the church', and instead believe it was a prophetic statement of Peter's role in the early church.

Obviously the actual term Pope is never used, nor the term Pontiff as these are both latin in orgin.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Americans think of Bush like a Pope. Very evident here.

Do you really have to spew your BS in every thread?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: litesgod

Originally posted by: beach2nd1
With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position? If it is man-made how is it justified that someone besides God could be called the "holy father"?

Roman Catholics believe that Jesus created the position of 'head of the church' when he called Peter "the rock on which I will build my church." Hence the Roman Catholic tradition that Peter was the first bishop of rome and all popes have theologically descended from him.

Most protestant churchs don't believe in the position of 'head of the church', and instead believe it was a prophetic statement of Peter's role in the early church.

Obviously the actual term Pope is never used, nor the term Pontiff as these are both latin in orgin.

why they ever picked Peter, we'll never know

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: beach2nd1
With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position?

No, it's not mentioned, though it's worth pointing out that the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) came before the New Testament. The Bishop of Rome was one of five Roman bishops called Patriarchs. One of the other Patriarchates was Constantinople, whose Patriarch is the leader of the Orthodox Church in the same way that the Pope leads the Roman Catholic Church. The other Patriarchates have their own churches too, though as they were conquered by Islam over a thousand years ago, they have fewer followers than the Catholic or Orthodox churches.

You do want to avoid the error of privileging the Bible over the Church, for the Church, in the person of its bishops (including those of Rome and Constantinople) was responsible for creating the New Testament version used by the Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant churches. Churches outside the Roman Empire in Asia and Africa created their own versions of the New Testament; for example, the Ethiopian Bible includes 3 letters to the Corinthians instead of 2.

 

[Martin]

yes, and on page 375 it says "Jebus". Did you guys every notice that?

 

[HombrePequeno]

The early catholic church hierarchy was meant to resemble the one in heaven. You have one bishop (the Pope) ruling over all of his deacons and the laity just as you have god ruling over all the angels and people on Earth.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: rickn
why they ever picked Peter, we'll never know

Unless you read the Bible.

 

[MCWAR]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Americans think of Bush like a Pope. Very evident here.

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Liberal idiots think that Stalin was the pope, but now I think Hillary has the position.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: beach2nd1
With all of the news about the pope and the selection of a new pope recently I started to think about the whole situation. Is the title/position of Pope ever actually mentioned in the Bible (new or old testament) or is this a man-made position? If it is man-made how is it justified that someone besides God could be called the "holy father"?

Perhaps because they needed someone who could directly talk to God, therby settling the differences in opinion amongst the other church hiearchy?

 

[kage69]

Liberal idiots think that Stalin was the pope, but now I think Hillary has the position.

I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel sorry for you...

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: rickn
why they ever picked Peter, we'll never know

Unless you read the Bible.

yes, I'm sure you're a bible expert :roll:. There is a few things I learned, Peter's denial, and the fact that at Jesus' crucifixion John was the only one there. See, you can learn a lot from watching a movie.

 

[MCWAR]

Originally posted by: kage69

Liberal idiots think that Stalin was the pope, but now I think Hillary has the position.

I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel sorry for you...

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Dont cry for me whimp. I was just slapping absurdity with absurdity. Having fun, thats all.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MCWAR

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Americans think of Bush like a Pope. Very evident here.

Liberal idiots think that Stalin was the pope, but now I think Hillary has the position.

Finally a conservative that agrees the Propagandist is like having a new Stalin.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

[Matt. 16:18?19]

The Lord said to Peter, ?On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven?

This is from the bible btw: This is what Catholics use as justification for the Pope. Many disagree however. There has been much spilled ink in the pass 400 years over this passage.

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
[Matt. 16:18?19]

The Lord said to Peter, ?On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven?

This is from the bible btw: This is what Catholics use as justification for the Pope. Many disagree however. There has been much spilled ink in the pass 400 years over this passage.

That's it? Sounds like pretty weak justification to me. I pretty much have always thought the same as what phokus said earlier.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
[Matt. 16:18?19]

The Lord said to Peter, ?On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven?

This is from the bible btw: This is what Catholics use as justification for the Pope. Many disagree however. There has been much spilled ink in the pass 400 years over this passage.

That's it? Sounds like pretty weak justification to me. I pretty much have always thought the same as what phokus said earlier.

If you think that is lame you have never looked at the date used for Christ's birthday!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
[Matt. 16:18?19]

The Lord said to Peter, ?On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven?

This is from the bible btw: This is what Catholics use as justification for the Pope. Many disagree however. There has been much spilled ink in the pass 400 years over this passage.

I was about ready to cite this passage.

Think of this way. What good is ANY organization without a leader? The US is supposed to be a democracy, ruled by the people, but we elect a President. A corporation is supposed to run by its stockholders, but it elects a CEO. Nobody questions these do they?

 

[Tylanner]

Is the Bible actually mentioned in reality?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Is the Bible actually mentioned in reality?

No archeologist in Israel works without one. I'm serious. It's that historically accurate.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Americans think of Bush like a Pope. Very evident here.

really? I did not know that.....

that would explain the communin wafers i got at my last republican brain washing meeting...

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Vic
Think of this way. What good is ANY organization without a leader? The US is supposed to be a democracy, ruled by the people, but we elect a President. A corporation is supposed to run by its stockholders, but it elects a CEO. Nobody questions these do they?

However, there is no leader for Christianity as plenty of people question the leadership of the Pope. The Great Schism arose when the European church split itself into the Orthodox and Catholic churches, with the Bishops of Rome and Constantinople excommunicating each other. A few centuries later, Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic branch of the church with the Reformation, and of course, the Asian and African churches have never accepted Roman dominance.