Is the Obama Administration doomed to fail?

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: K3N
I highly recommend you read the book, Obama the Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate, it is written by a left leaning pro "roosevelt new deal" Historian expert Webster G Tarpley.

I don't like to read books, but this book was just so damn interesting. Obama's presidency will be as catastrophic as Big Jim Carter's. http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Po...&qid=1231455474&sr=8-1

Product Description
Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power. Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure. Obama's economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama's lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today. Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy. No American voter can afford to ignore the lessons contained in this book.

You should also watch the video in my sig.

lulz at you.

You're nuts.

On topic:
I wouldn't judge his administration until he's been in office a few months. I don't think you can make such unequivocal assertions that his administration is doomed to fail before it has even begun.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
How about we give the administration a chance? Nothing can be as bad as what we've experienced the last 8 years.

Really???

Weren't Carter's four years worse than any of the Bush years? Certainly on the domestic side. We would have to double unemployment and inflation to get close to what Carter left us with.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: K3N
I highly recommend you read the book, Obama the Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate, it is written by a left leaning pro "roosevelt new deal" Historian expert Webster G Tarpley.

I don't like to read books, but this book was just so damn interesting. Obama's presidency will be as catastrophic as Big Jim Carter's. http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Po...&qid=1231455474&sr=8-1

Product Description
Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power. Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure. Obama's economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama's lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today. Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy. No American voter can afford to ignore the lessons contained in this book.

You should also watch the video in my sig.

If I set out to write a paragraph of "some crazy-ass, non-sequitor senseless bullshit," I might come up with something half as ridiculous as that piece of shit above

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
How about we give the administration a chance? Nothing can be as bad as what we've experienced the last 8 years.

Really???

Weren't Carter's four years worse than any of the Bush years? Certainly on the domestic side. We would have to double unemployment and inflation to get close to what Carter left us with.

Of course you're forgetting the 'assault on the constitution and the separation of powers' side of Bush's domestic policy.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Dari
On the face of it you have a bunch of pragmatists. But, in truth, all I see are a bunch of Senators and eggheads with massive egos that are absolutely conscious of being part of a historic Administration. What I don't see is coherency or an outline as to where they want America to be in 10 to 20 years. No strategy means muddling through the next four years (from crisis to crisis). This is a disaster waiting to happen. An Administration needs to be proactive, not reactive. Despite the Bush Administration's many flaws, at least they knew where they wanted America to be and those in their Administration had written many policy papers and had been members of numerous think tanks. Obama's has nothing.

I really hope Obama can manage all those egos AND find the time to lead, rather than be lead.

And that got us where? At a minimum you don't continue on the same path. That would be insanity.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Fern
No, I don't think it's doomed to fail.

Will be difficult, that's for sure.

Turning around an economy can be a tough thing. This one's problem are particularly difficult as the solution creates a conundrum. The problem was lax credit, and too much credit. yet the governmemt now finds itself in the odd situation of trying to encourage more lax credit/lending/borrowing?

The very thing that was appealing about Obama, his youth and relative inexperience/newness is going to be a problem in trying to govern. His Dem counterparts in Congress and the party seem to want him to follow them, instead of the other way around. Here's this new junior Senator now in charge. I don't think their ego's can take it.

Fern

The economy could turn arond rather quickly if people pull out of the malaise they're in. Perception is reality there. Having an inspirational head of state definitely helps.

I stood in longer lines Christmas shopping than I did last year, but apparently nobody had any money to buy presents if you listen to the news.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the news next Christmas will be much more positive than it was this year.

I think retail sales down year-over-year is more relevant information than your anecdote...

 

[MovingTarget]

No, but it seems that I am doomed to hear people bitching about how his administration has been such a failure before he was even inagurated.

 

[rudder]

The media won't let him fail. Or at least they will sugarcoat everything.

In many people eyes though he will be percieved to be a failure. He has been elevated to messiah status without even being in office. The only place for him is to go down.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: K3N
I highly recommend you read the book, Obama the Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate, it is written by a left leaning pro "roosevelt new deal" Historian expert Webster G Tarpley.

I don't like to read books, but this book was just so damn interesting. Obama's presidency will be as catastrophic as Big Jim Carter's. http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Po...&qid=1231455474&sr=8-1

Product Description
Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power. Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure. Obama's economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama's lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today. Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy. No American voter can afford to ignore the lessons contained in this book.

You should also watch the video in my sig.

If I set out to write a paragraph of "some crazy-ass, non-sequitor senseless bullshit," I might come up with something half as ridiculous as that piece of shit above

K3N's threads/posts are always good for a laugh. I'm guessing he buys tin foil by the pallet.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: rudder
The media won't let him fail. Or at least they will sugarcoat everything.

In many people eyes though he will be percieved to be a failure. He has been elevated to messiah status without even being in office. The only place for him is to go down.

Uh, huh. Except the truth is it's really only by you and your ilk who actually believe that messiah nonsense.

After what GWB did to the country I set the bar low for Obama and hope I'll be pleasantly surprised. You know, don't turn the free world against us, don't condone torture, don't invade countries without cause, don't illegally spy on US citizens, don't try to spread christianity in China during the Olympics, don't hold back scientific research, etc.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: rudder
The media won't let him fail. Or at least they will sugarcoat everything.

In many people eyes though he will be percieved to be a failure. He has been elevated to messiah status without even being in office. The only place for him is to go down.

Uh, huh. Except the truth is it's really only by you and your ilk who actually believe that messiah nonsense.

After what GWB did to the country I set the bar low for Obama and hope I'll be pleasantly surprised. You know, don't turn the free world against us, don't condone torture, don't invade countries without cause, don't illegally spy on US citizens, don't try to spread christianity in China during the Olympics, don't hold back scientific research, etc.

Good point.. Didn't Obama also promise to Bankrupt companies .. those big bad companies that hire people... in any case, whatever, Obama's going to pay for my gas and housing.. yea!!! No more pro-company president like that evil Bush... A brand new day is emerging for the American people...

 

[waggy]

well there is no doubt the next 4-8 years should be exciting. Is he going to fail? well who knows. it is a very good possiblity. so far i havent seen anything to show he is going to but then i have yet to see anything that he is going to be a great president. just more of the same.

 

[BassBomb]

What would you consider fail?

Some people would say the Bush administration did not fail O_O

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
no

I beg to disagree! I hate to be pessimistic, but BHO's success is too far out to be realistic for he came in at a wrong time at the wrong place. Whoever is the OPUS in the next 4 years is doomed to fail because of the wrong policies and bad culture that had grown in Washington in the last 12 years! And to make matters worse, with a DEM congress and DEM WH, wrong policies can continue unabated or it could be the other way around wherein the right policies can continue on. But with the same DEM congress in the last 3 years and the same policy makers who gave us this tanked economy, I'll be hard pressed to see the right policies being put into place!

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: rudder
The media won't let him fail. Or at least they will sugarcoat everything.

In many people eyes though he will be percieved to be a failure. He has been elevated to messiah status without even being in office. The only place for him is to go down.

Uh, huh. Except the truth is it's really only by you and your ilk who actually believe that messiah nonsense.

After what GWB did to the country I set the bar low for Obama and hope I'll be pleasantly surprised. You know, don't turn the free world against us, don't condone torture, don't invade countries without cause, don't illegally spy on US citizens, don't try to spread christianity in China during the Olympics, don't hold back scientific research, etc.

Good point.. Didn't Obama also promise to Bankrupt companies .. those big bad companies that hire people... in any case, whatever, Obama's going to pay for my gas and housing.. yea!!! No more pro-company president like that evil Bush... A brand new day is emerging for the American people...

OMGMESSIAH! The righties promised us that Obama's vision for America included giving us all a magical gay pink socialist unicorn. News flash: Expect a lousy unity pony, either way. We will be fine.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Jiggz

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
no

I beg to disagree! I hate to be pessimistic, but BHO's success is too far out to be realistic for he came in at a wrong time at the wrong place. Whoever is the OPUS in the next 4 years is doomed to fail because of the wrong policies and bad culture that had grown in Washington in the last 12 years! And to make matters worse, with a DEM congress and DEM WH, wrong policies can continue unabated or it could be the other way around wherein the right policies can continue on. But with the same DEM congress in the last 3 years and the same policy makers who gave us this tanked economy, I'll be hard pressed to see the right policies being put into place!

OPUS? you mean POTUS?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

The economy could turn arond rather quickly if people pull out of the malaise they're in. Perception is reality there. Having an inspirational head of state definitely helps.

I stood in longer lines Christmas shopping than I did last year, but apparently nobody had any money to buy presents if you listen to the news.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the news next Christmas will be much more positive than it was this year.

It's interesting that you say that^

I noticed this year that the store down here were running out of inventory. Even grocery stores ran out of stuff (steaks, roasts and King crab) around Christmas. I've never seen anything like it.

Apparently they were planning for poor sales and cut back. Too bad, they could have sold a lot more in my area. Running out of inventory a week before Christmas is a very bad tactic for profitability.

The news of 'Doom & Gloom' became self-fulfiling.

Fern

 

[Starbuck1975]

"did the Bush administration set up the next president, no matter who they are, for failure?"

I think you can say that of any power transition. The Reaganites complained about Carter, the Clintonites complained about Reagan and Bush Sr., the W supporters complained about Clinton...and now the Obama supporters will blame any of Obama's failures on Bush...rinse, wash, repeat.

I don't think the Obama camp is doomed to fail, but I don't think Obama will be deliver on his message of change...interestingly enough, it appears his own party may be his undoing...senior Democrats in Congress, who perhaps are not ready for change, are already challenging his budget plans...the situation in Illinois is an unnecesary scandal distraction from within the Democrats' own ranks...and Pelosi is doing everything in her power to essentially reverse decades of Congressional reform.

I honestly think Obama is of sound enough judgement to lead the nation in a positive direction...I am not sure that Congress, or the electorate for that matter, are willing to accept some of the cultural shifts we will need to accept as a society to facilitate those changes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Whenever the Righties start their crap about Obama as the Messiah, it means they really have nothing to say. They're just sniping, pissing and moaning, trying to poison the well. They got nuthin'- they know it, but the urge to shoot off their mouths is irresistible.

The heroes of the Right, the lords of free market capitalism, waltzed the rest of us over to the edge of the cliff and tried to toss us off. Even if the new Admin and Congress can only succeed in dragging them over with us, it'll be a victory of sorts...

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The heroes of the Right, the lords of free market capitalism,

Oh good grief. :roll:

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The heroes of the Right, the lords of free market capitalism,

Oh good grief. :roll:

Uhh-Waahhh! After wading though the wingnut hyperbole in this thread and others, I thought I'd try a little of my own...

 

[Moonbeam]

The notion of 'doomed to failure' is a product of the human condition, just as the expression, 'just my luck' or 'why does this always happen to me'. They are the unconscious expressions of deeply hidden feelings of worthlessness that infect the entire human race, hidden truths that, as it were, slip out. Armageddon, doom, catastrophe, all this happened to us as children and was deeply repressed but which we now project out there as a fear of the future.

Only he who remembers, who relives, and sees the lies can be free of this deep and persistent psychosis. But don't hold your breath. Before you can even blink you will turn away from this fact, as if you never heard it. You will not see your madness because the fear is so great. You would let the world die before you'll remember, and of course we are. You are doomed if you hate yourself and you do and won't remember.

The hilarious part is that there's nothing wrong with you but the feeling there is. Your hidden real truth you won't face is a lie.

Here and there a person is saved because any person can be.

The fool who hates himself and doesn't know it reacts as if his lie is true, but he who practices conscious awareness that what he thinks is true he knows is really a lie can step back and control his reactions.

 

[Muse]

First of all, nobody knows where America is going to be in 10-20 years. Nowadays that's an eternity. If you have an idea of what you want things to be like here in 20 years you are a reactionary, pure and simple. I don't trust people who reside in think tanks, myself. Most of those are excessively conservative.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Whenever the Righties start their crap about Obama as the Messiah, it means they really have nothing to say. They're just sniping, pissing and moaning, trying to poison the well. They got nuthin'- they know it, but the urge to shoot off their mouths is irresistible.

Obama supporters placed him on that pedestal, not the Righties...the headlines of the last few weeks are certainly enough fodder to at least recognize Obama has some serious challenges ahead of him...many within his own party...Righties cannot poison the well because Congress is the well and it is already poisonous...the Democrats largely dropped the ball as the voice of opposition as the minority party, and now Pelosi wants to essentially lock the Republicans out...so much for change and bipartisanship...Congressional Democrats are not aligned to Obamas message, and he needs to address the partisan sword wielding.

The heroes of the Right, the lords of free market capitalism, waltzed the rest of us over to the edge of the cliff and tried to toss us off. Even if the new Admin and Congress can only succeed in dragging them over with us, it'll be a victory of sorts...

We as a society walked off the cliff...you want to talk about poisoning the well...free market capitalism plus big government regulation equals disaster...and Republicans, as the champions of fiscal restraint, deviated wayyy off their platform under Bush...but GREED is the cause of the latest speculative market collapse, and GREED has no political alignment.

It is easy to blame Wall Street and CEOs and big corporations...they may have provided the Koo-Aide, but our credit fueled economy consumed it at an irresponsible rate.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Whenever the Righties start their crap about Obama as the Messiah, it means they really have nothing to say. They're just sniping, pissing and moaning, trying to poison the well. They got nuthin'- they know it, but the urge to shoot off their mouths is irresistible.

Obama supporters placed him on that pedestal, not the Righties...the headlines of the last few weeks are certainly enough fodder to at least recognize Obama has some serious challenges ahead of him...many within his own party...Righties cannot poison the well because Congress is the well and it is already poisonous...the Democrats largely dropped the ball as the voice of opposition as the minority party, and now Pelosi wants to essentially lock the Republicans out...so much for change and bipartisanship...Congressional Democrats are not aligned to Obamas message, and he needs to address the partisan sword wielding.

The heroes of the Right, the lords of free market capitalism, waltzed the rest of us over to the edge of the cliff and tried to toss us off. Even if the new Admin and Congress can only succeed in dragging them over with us, it'll be a victory of sorts...

We as a society walked off the cliff...you want to talk about poisoning the well...free market capitalism plus big government regulation equals disaster...and Republicans, as the champions of fiscal restraint, deviated wayyy off their platform under Bush...but GREED is the cause of the latest speculative market collapse, and GREED has no political alignment.

It is easy to blame Wall Street and CEOs and big corporations...they may have provided the Koo-Aide, but our credit fueled economy consumed it at an irresponsible rate.

Please. Obama supporters haven't put him on a pedestal, at all. He's headed for the oval office precisely because of the challenges you mention, and the recognition of that. If the whole financial bubble illusion had been sustained longer, there's a decent chance that John McCain would be on his way to becoming another Herbert Hoover.

The well that Righties are trying to poison is that of public trust, which has suffered terribly under their leadership- they're just trying to offload their guilt onto the new Admin in a dishonest fashion.

You're somewhat correct wrt greed, something that's been glorified and sanitized by the Right for decades- they've represented it as a virtue rather than a character defect for nearly 30 years. The whole notion of trickledown economics is a deception in service of it. Enormous serial taxcuts for America's wealthiest few are an exercise in pursuit of it, as are much of the rest of repub policy, including the exercise of the war and occupation of Iraq.

Spidey's defense of the Bush taxcuts and the explosive inequality resulting from them and previous republican taxcuts speaks most eloquently to the subject of greed, just not in the way he intends. When Reagan took office, the top 1% got <9% of all income in this country. Today, their share approaches 23%, accomplished through the miracle of compound interest in investing and higher profits from essentially gutting the American economy with offshoring. Even within the top 1%, income share is skewed heavily towards the tippy-top, as are the benefits of regressive tax rates in that rarified realm. Yeh, they now pay a greater % of total taxes, at a much lower rate, on incomes hugely expanded over the last 3 decades. But they want even more tax breaks... in the tradition of the rightwing maxim of "Greed is good!", popularized under the guidance of the Right's semi-mythical hero, Ronnie Reagan...

Getting a lecture about greed from the fluffers of rightwing thinktank funders is really, really rich...