Is the NV focus group member allowed to do marketing at AT?

[SickBeast]

Oh god..Sickbeast is the guy that accused me for working for nV in this very same forum. I wish I could find that thread 🙂

It is insane how fast people swarm around Keys and others for doing nothing against ToS. They just hate nV in general.

You are very NV biased. You've toned it down lately.

 

[happy medium]

I couldn't resist. :biggrin:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=30325987#post30325987

Now we'll see if you're right. 😱

Jeeeez ,I didn't have to even triple dare you, you live up to your name at least.🙂

Locked in 3,2,1 done. Mods have us on radar.🙂

 

[SickBeast]

LOL

You should note that two NV fans came out as well. :biggrin:

 

[Greenman]

Sounds like the Rolo debacle, Mr. Fair and Balanced himself. He worked for invida (claimed he didn't), got banned, and had his membership restored at the request of invida. I decided I'd go elsewhere for video information after that.

 

[waggy]

Sounds like the Rolo debacle, Mr. Fair and Balanced himself. He worked for invida (claimed he didn't), got banned, and had his membership restored at the request of invida. I decided I'd go elsewhere for video information after that.

not to mention he got people banned (short term if i remember right) for claiming he worked for invida. him and others would shout out anyone who claimed it and run to the mods.

shrug i agree. that's the main reason i go elsewhere. wich sucked when i built my new system i usually just ask people here

 

[ArchAngel777]

You, sir, are trolling, hysterically so. I strongly advise you to cease immediately.

I am sorry you feel that way. It is quite obvious I have struck a nerve to get an all powerful and omnipitent forum administrator to comment on my hypothetical scenario. In any case, I am not here for any type of power struggle. I am here to voice my displeasure with the way this forum is ran. If you can't take criticism and feel you must ban me, so be it.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Sounds like the Rolo debacle, Mr. Fair and Balanced himself. He worked for invida (claimed he didn't), got banned, and had his membership restored at the request of invida. I decided I'd go elsewhere for video information after that.

Really? How would you have all this info and know it to be correct? That sounds nuts.

 

[olds]

Time to pull an oldsmoboat and just start banning whiners.

 

[esquared]

I am sorry you feel that way. It is quite obvious I have struck a nerve to get an all powerful and omnipitent forum administrator to comment on my hypothetical scenario. In any case, I am not here for any type of power struggle. I am here to voice my displeasure with the way this forum is ran. If you can't take criticism and feel you must ban me, so be it.

Struck a never you must be kidding. 🙄 This isn't criticism. It's complete hypothetical, tin foil hat nonsense.Your trolling comment was that Anand himself could be behind this.

Hell, the trolls could be paid by Anand himself for all we know, in fact they could be him. We don't know who these faceless people are.

If you can't post without trolling you need to leave this thread. This is your one warning.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Struck a never you must be kidding. 🙄 This isn't criticism. It's complete hypothetical, tin foil hat nonsense.Your trolling comment was that Anand himself could be behind this.



If you can't post without trolling you need to leave this thread. This is your one warning.

Second warning, because I was given one by Perknose above. And if you recall, I have not 'trolled' (your interpretation of it) since his warning... So, I would say I have heeded it, but I still don't agree that it was trolling.

 

[esquared]

Second warning, because I was given one by Perknose above. And if you recall, I have not 'trolled' (your interpretation of it) since his warning... So, I would say I have heeded it, but I still don't agree that it was trolling.

OK, you're gone for a bit. But then I don't suppose you agree with that either.

 

[Greenman]

Really? How would you have all this info and know it to be correct? That sounds nuts.

Everyone had the information, the fellow who used to run the show, Brian Wilson I think his name was, did a long post about it. He said he was contacted by invida and asked to allow Rolo back in after he was banned. That tells me that invida has a lot of juice around here, and in my opinion, taints the video forum.
For the record, Rolo was a world class shill, everyone thought he was connected to invida, and those that made a lot of noise about it went away. I don't know if any of the mods knew he was connected to invida, but the entire episode stank. The end result is that I'm skeptical of all the hardware forums now, and and don't read them at all.

 

[erikistired]

Personally, I think some of problems would be fixed if we just edit a bunch of people's signatures in video: "nVidia shill, take what he's posting with a grain of salt" and "ATI shill, take what he's posting with a grain of salt." -Admin DrPizza

this.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Can we ban all the idiots that keep calling out Keys and derailing threads?

says a die hard nVidia fan.

 

[OCGuy]

says a die hard nVidia fan.

Really?

 

[sandorski]

Really?

What a crappy suicide note.

Condolences to the Family. I didn't always agree with OCGuy, but enjoyed posting "Fail" to him on occasion. He will be missed. 🙁

 

[waffleironhead]

The simple fact remains that we dont fully know what the full relationship between nV and the focus group actually is. The signature disclaimer is a lie, because his duties are far beyond simple product evaluation.
There is a past history of him pushing the nV agenda, with those "Ask NV a question" threads, which were only answered with non-answers and propaganda. There is more going on than product evaluation. maybe each marketing thread needs its own disclaimer at the top. "PAID ADVERTISEMENT".

 

[esquared]

The simple fact remains that we dont fully know what the full relationship between nV and the focus group actually is. The signature disclaimer is a lie, because his duties are far beyond simple product evaluation.
There is a past history of him pushing the nV agenda, with those "Ask NV a question" threads, which were only answered with non-answers and propaganda. There is more going on than product evaluation. maybe each marketing thread needs its own disclaimer at the top. "PAID ADVERTISEMENT".

You do not know this. Stick to the facts, which are things you can actually back up or link to. The non-bolded are your opinion. I can let that go. The bolded lines? You don't know any of that for a fact, so stop. We will not deal in speculation on anyones part here. If this sort of posting continues, this thread will be locked. I expect civility from you people that care to post in this thread.

This is not a witch hunt. It's a discussion which is the reason this has been left open. If you cannot contain yourself, stay out of the thread. This is your one warning.


esquared
Anandtech Administrator

 

[waffleironhead]

You do not know this. Stick to the facts, which are things you can actually back up or link to. The non-bolded are your opinion. I can let that go. The bolded lines? You don't know any of that for a fact, so stop. We will not deal in speculation on anyones part here. If this sort of posting continues, this thread will be locked. I expect civility from you people that care to post in this thread.

This is not a witch hunt. It's a discussion which is the reason this has been left open. If you cannot contain yourself, stay out of the thread. This is your one warning.


esquared
Anandtech Administrator

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=332919&highlight=ask+nvidia+question

link for ya . His duties are more than product evaluation. The signature is a lie. I know this isnt a witch hunt. I think the signature needs to be more inline with the fact that the relationship is a two way street of information. Nvidia gives them products AND information to pass to the forum. I'm not going to go look for more "I have been asked by nvidia to pass along this to you". type posts from the Focus group, but they do exist. Clearly this is allowed by AT, or he wouldnt be doing it, I just think the signature disclaimer isnt fully truthful.

 

[esquared]

You're basing this claim of a lie on that link?

That link offered to ask NVidia a question and Keys would then post the information back with the answer. He was a conduit. That doesn't make what his signature a lie. So what, he has access to get an answer for questions posted by members? You want him to put "conduit for answers" in his sig?

His sig says focus group member NOT product evaluator. It says members:
receive free software and/or hardware from NVIDIA from time to time to facilitate the evaluation of NVIDIA products

Doesn't look to me that job title says he's a just a product evaluator.

I would think that a focus group member would have access to answers to NVidia questions. It's pretty clear he wasn't hiding anything since a special thread was posted with that in mind. You guys need to take off your tin foil hats.

Now keep the discussion to topic. Any more of this will get the thread locked.

 

[waffleironhead]

I'm sorry I used the word lie as it seems to have ruffled your feathers. The point I was trying to make is that the FULL duties of the relationship with the vendor are not covered under the disclaimer. In my experience focus groups are a one way street of information, not a two way. Product evaluations are given to the vendor. Vendor information is never given by the vendor to focus groups for distribution. I can see you disagree. From your post I can also see that you see the disclaimer as PART of his duties with a bunch of other duties as given. Would it be so hard to post the full duties of the relationship so it was clear. Something like. "Focus groups members are the eyes, ears and mouths of nVidia" It might lessen the complaint threads you have to wade thru.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm sorry I used the word lie as it seems to have ruffled your feathers. The point I was trying to make is that the FULL duties of the relationship with the vendor are not covered under the disclaimer. In my experience focus groups are a one way street of information, not a two way.-- that`s a total copout-- in my experience -- now that is laughable. Because my experience is totally different than yours!!

Product evaluations are given to the vendor. Vendor information is never given by the vendor to focus groups for distribution. In my experience thats is NOT true!! never say never because it differs, trust me!

I can see you disagree. -- He has every good reason to disagree!!

From your post I can also see that you see the disclaimer as PART of his duties with a bunch of other duties as given. Would it be so hard to post the full duties of the relationship so it was clear. Something like. "Focus groups members are the eyes, ears and mouths of nVidia" It might lessen the complaint threads you have to wade thru. Focus groups may be the eyes and ears of nVidia, yet in order to be the eyes and ears you have to have tangable information concerning the product!

This site needs to do nothing different other than possibly, mayve, perhaps ban those who have unfounded issues with the Moderator!!

 

[OCGuy]

Honestly if we cant get quick warnings/bans for the people who attack keys personally in the threads he posts in, we need to ban Keys or delete the sub-forum entirely.

Before it was Keys, it was Wreckage. Before Wreckage, it was Rollo.

I rarely see someone derail a thread for any other reason but to attack Keys.

In any other sub-forum, there would be quick action if the moderation staff came under fire.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Snip...

In any other sub-forum, there would be quick action if the moderation staff came under fire.

But you fail to realize no other moderator has a vested interest in the outcome of threads. It's not like a mod in The Garage gets free cars to try out and tell people about them. It's video cards, where the enthusiast market is heavily influenced by forums.

Take for instance, he made a thread about comparing the GTX 460SLI to the 5870xf and 5970. Obviously he knows the result that the 460SLI at times will trade blows with the 5870CF and is sometimes faster to the 5970, yet at a lower cost ($440 vs $750, $700+).

Now that's good an all for nVidia, because this thread sways people to think that nVidia is a better buy for the money. Many viewers on the video forum are cost-conscience buyers, like me. However, there is no mention at all about the 5830 1GB in crossfire benchmarks, which is comparable with the GTX 460 768, and has the same entry cost at just below $400 before rebates. Why was this omitted from his post as possible discussion/benchmarking? Because it doesn't further his cause as a Focus Group Member. By leaving out the 460's comparable product and comparing two in SLI with the much more expensive 5970, nVidia looks like a MUCH better buy. Not for a second do I believe he, out of the blue, decided to make that thread. It has a purpose. He has a cause behind it. It's marketing.

 

[JEDIYoda]

But you fail to realize no other moderator has a vested interest in the outcome of threads.--You have no proof!! That statement is totally a ficticious part of your imagination. Don`t make assumptions based on what you believe. Need proof....

It's not like a mod in The Garage gets free cars to try out and tell people about them. It's video cards, where the enthusiast market is heavily influenced by forums. -- Again you have proof other than conjecture that Keys is compensated in some way by nVidia??
Take for instance, he made a thread about comparing the GTX 460SLI to the 5870xf and 5970. Obviously he knows the result that the 460SLI at times will trade blows with the 5870CF and is sometimes faster to the 5970, yet at a lower cost ($440 vs $750, $700+).

Now that's good an all for nVidia, because this thread sways people to think that nVidia is a better buy for the money. Many viewers on the video forum are cost-conscience buyers, like me. However, there is no mention at all about the 5830 1GB in crossfire benchmarks,-- you are nit picking for what purpose? Again you have no proof to back up your statements![

URL="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/171?vs=156"]which is comparable with the GTX 460 768[/URL], and has the same entry cost at just below $400 before rebates. Why was this omitted from his post as possible discussion/benchmarking? Because it doesn't further his cause as a Focus Group Member. By leaving out the 460's comparable product and comparing two in SLI with the much more expensive 5970, nVidia looks like a MUCH better buy. Not for a second do I believe he, out of the blue, decided to make that thread. It has a purpose. He has a cause behind it. It's marketing.

Whatever your reason you have added nothing to this discussion except your b latant bias against Keys.
Also your examples have little to do with fact.
Any idiot with understand that comparisons are comparisons and that there could be a better card to comapre against.....
All your examples are nothing more than somebody with an agenda nit picking.

You need to offer proof or silently go away....

Thx