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Is the news media biased, or just stupid on firearms?

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Lonbjerg said:
That is why the INTELLIGENT thing to do is to remove as many guns from people as possible...
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If this is true, please explain why there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime within the United States. For example, only one of the top 8 states for gun ownership (Alaska) is in even the top 25 for homicide rates (at 24). If there was a correlation, you would expect all of them to at least be in the top 25, and at least a few to be in the top 10, wouldn't you.
 
mect said:
If this is true, please explain why there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime within the United States. For example, only one of the top 8 states for gun ownership (Alaska) is in even the top 25 for homicide rates (at 24). If there was a correlation, you would expect all of them to at least be in the top 25, and at least a few to be in the top 10, wouldn't you.
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In the United States. How about compared to Germany?
 
mect said:
How is this a knee jerk NRA response. I would say the war on drugs provides significant evidence that making items illegal that are relatively easy for an everyday person to produce is highly ineffective. Do you have any data that would support the idea that banning these types of items is effective at keeping them away from criminals?
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Gun idiots always try to cut off discussion with "it won't work anyways" arguments.

They always argue expecting perfection. It's stupid.
 
karmypolitics said:
In the United States. How about compared to Germany?
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Why would you rather compare two data points over 50? But sure, if you want to compare two data points, Idaho has a higher (significantly higher) gun ownership rate and a slightly lower homicide rate (although the numbers vary slightly, so maybe comparable would be a more accurate statement). Idaho is 14th in the US for gun ownership, so many more guns per capita than average. See how fun it is when we cherry pick data points and try to draw a correlation from a data set of two.
 
karmypolitics said:
"only" 52 percent.

lol.
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karmypolitics said:
Every mass shooter has chosen large capacity weapons for a reason. Nidal Hasan is a good example. He went into the gun store specifically looking for the largest capacity handgun he could buy
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"Every"

LOL...stupidity is your strong point, stick with it champ😉

You really should get a clue though and stop saying dumb shit, at least argue with fact and reason and not emotional bullshit you pulled out of your ass😛
 
corwin said:
"Every"

LOL...stupidity is your strong point, stick with it champ😉

You really should get a clue though and stop saying dumb shit, at least argue with fact and reason and not emotional bullshit you pulled out of your ass😛
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You're a fucking moron. "every mass shooter" implies guns, ergo precludes bombs or other methods.
 
corwin said:
Actually you would be the fucking moron, or do I have to go even further and list the mass "shooters" who didn't use high capacity weapons?
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Hasan - 20 round

Cho- 10 round (yes, that is considered "small" but compared to John Wayne weapons hell yes it's big. I would basically take it back to six shooters)

Loughner -30 round

Holmes - 100 round AR15 + 40 round handguns

All in the past 10 years.
 
karmypolitics said:
In the United States. How about compared to Germany?
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The US isn't Germany, for one thing, in Germany there is no right to bear arms, also, the gun culture is 100% completely different and it will NEVER happen here no matter how many rainbows you fart.

karmypolitics said:
Gun idiots always try to cut off discussion with "it won't work anyways" arguments.

They always argue expecting perfection. It's stupid.
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Anti-gun morons always think that by eliminating a tool that it's going to stop criminals. You need a fundamental overhaul in your thinking or these problems will ALWAYS exist.
 
xj0hnx said:
The US isn't Germany, for one thing, in Germany there is no right to bear arms, also, the gun culture is 100% completely different and it will NEVER happen here no matter how many rainbows you fart.



Anti-gun morons always think that by eliminating a tool that it's going to stop criminals. You need a fundamental overhaul in your thinking or these problems will ALWAYS exist.
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you're an idiot.

You want to argue that more guns = less crime? Really? US crime rates are an anomaly among advanced nations. Even the reduction in the past few years still leaves it higher than other places.
 
karmypolitics said:
you're an idiot.

You want to argue that more guns = less crime? Really? US crime rates are an anomaly among advanced nations. Even the reduction in the past few years still leaves it higher than other places.
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No, I think the argument is that gun ownership rates are unrelated to crime. You are correct, US violent crime rates are an anomaly among advanced nations. This is the very reason you can't just compare the US to one other group and try to identify the cause. You need to compare series of data to try to draw those conclusions. For example, I've already looked at gun ownership between states and there is clearly no positive correlation between gun ownership rates and homicide rates. You could also look at gun ownership rates or strictness of gun regulations between several European countries, and see if there is a trend. But an anomaly does not indicate anything, in fact, it is a reason to reject the data point from a set, because it indicates that there is another factor that is not present in the other data points. All the data I have seen indicates our issue is a social/cultural issue that has developed from the violent gang cycle present in our country. Chicago I think is strong evidence that gun laws are ineffective at significantly addressing this issue. This requires social intervention in the inner cities. We need to provide recreations, educational, and social intervention to prevent kids from repeating this cycle of gang violence.
 
karmypolitics said:
you're an idiot.
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Yet you are the one lost in LaLa Land.

You want to argue that more guns = less crime? Really? US crime rates are an anomaly among advanced nations. Even the reduction in the past few years still leaves it higher than other places.
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First, that's not what I argued, second, almost across the board crime rates drop when gun restrictions are loosened, so if you'd like to go there we can, you WILL get destroyed. The simple fact you remain willfully ignorant of is that your bastions of anti-gun law are some of the epicenters of "gun crimes", LA, Chicago, NY, DC, and on, and on, and on ...
 
karmypolitics said:
Hasan - 20 round

Cho- 10 round (yes, that is considered "small" but compared to John Wayne weapons hell yes it's big. I would basically take it back to six shooters)

Loughner -30 round

Holmes - 100 round AR15 + 40 round handguns

All in the past 10 years.
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Doesn't surprise me that's all the longer your attention span is...or maybe it's your age:hmm:
 
karmypolitics said:
Hasan - 20 round
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20 round is a standard mag for this gun.

Cho- 10 round (yes, that is considered "small" but compared to John Wayne weapons hell yes it's big. I would basically take it back to six shooters)
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10 rounds OMG!!!

Loughner -30 round

Holmes - 100 round AR15 + 40 round handguns
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Didn't both of these guys jam? LOLOLOL We should then hope all mass shooters use crappy, jamming "high cap" mags.
 
The news media specializes in sensationalism; they're a business that's driven by attracting viewers, and sensational stories attract more viewers. It's the basis for the mantra "if it bleeds, it leads." It should come as no surprise that the media loves stories that can be easily sensationalized; crime, drugs, terrorism, religion, pretty much any general conflict. Guns fit pretty well into that, especially in the wake of a massive crime perpetrated by someone with guns. But just because something horrible happens, there's no reason for us to abandon objectivity and jump to the "we must never allow something like this to happen again" overreactions that lead to ineffective nonsense like the TSA. Millions of people legally own guns and the vast majority of them have never shot another human, or even threatened to. One psychotic fucker is not a good reason to do anything since you can't do much to legislate crazy.
 
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