Is the media delusional with its 'union counterattack' bs?

[Throckmorton]

What does a private sector employee's salary have to do with anything? If I were a Wisconsin taxpayer, that would not matter. However that public sector $48K/year + healthcare + retirement benefits package (which add another $20,000+ to that 48K figure) pricetag would concern me.

The teachers salary should be whatever the taxpayers of Wisconsin can afford to pay. The problem is the rest of the state workers are also doing better than the general public in Wisconsin. Those taxpayers cannot support this budget.

It used to be an honor and a privilege to work for the government. Now it is the golden egg.

Unions have no place in the public sector.

How could the pension cost possibly be 20k when salary is 48k? Are you assuming a person will be retired for as long as they worked??

 

[bfdd]

How could the pension cost possibly be 20k when salary is 48k? Are you assuming a person will be retired for as long as they worked??

Now a days? Sure why not?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

It's probably not the most common thing in the world, but I don't think it's exactly uncommon for people to be retired for as long as they have worked for; especially if you retire early, say 50s.

 

[trenchfoot]

You guys who are saying unions don't vote universally do realize that they put a LOT of pressure on their members to vote certain ways, more so in certain parts of the country than others, and they certainly try to indoctrinate members into voting towards the unions cause.

I would know, I've experienced it first hand in a private union.

I'm a business rep for a union that has at least 18 local chapters, totalling more than 4.500 members. The only "pressure" we put on our members is to vote. It doesn't matter who they vote for, but the members know what side their bread is buttered on. Quite a few vote against their own best interests due to family relations, single issue agenda's, etc. However, we do NOT pressure our members to vote for a certain politician or party, or tell them who not to vote for. They're not so dumb as to vote en masse for politicians who are anti-union.

And besides, it's common knowledge that forcing people to vote for someone against their will/beliefs is political suicide and occupational suicide on the part of the union leadership. It just doesn't make sense to unduly pressure members into voting against their conscience.

We do endorse certain politicians that the majority of the membership feel will represent their best interests. But to actually coerce and bully members into "seeing things the union leadership's way"?

That's sheer idiocy and does not make sense.

 

[dawp]

CEO's

Mortician

 

[Turin39789]

But when we get to master's degrees, now we have a problem. A teacher (or many other state employees) automatically gets a significant pay raise for attaining a master's degree, even though, as I've mentioned, that master of administration degree means fuckall to a second grade teacher. In the private sector, no such automatic pay raises exist for the vast majority of businesses and jobs. A master of neuroscience degree will not get you a raise unless and until there is a position open that requires that degree AND you are the ONE applicant selected, even though most people would agree that a master of neuroscience degree is vastly more difficult to obtain than is a master of education degree. Indeed, the Master of Professional Science doing high level research becomes equal to the second grade teacher with her master of education degree in O'Keefe's analysis. Now we have a problem, we're no longer comparing apples to apples, we're merely asserting that oranges are more or less apples when we find that useful.

I don't know about Wisconsin, but when I looked into teaching in my state and decided against it because it was more work and less pay than my non-degreed job, the teachers were REQUIRED to get a masters to keep their certification at some point. So it wasn't so much that you get a raise for getting a masters, it is that a masters is required for the job and they hold some of your pay hostage until you get one. If you come into the job with a masters you get the full pay from the start.

 

[nobodyknows]

Why do Democrats hate the tax payers?

Who says they do? Expecting those who make the most to pay the most equals "hating the taxpayer"?? Strange logic you have.

I'll bet you still believe we found WMD's in Iraq too.

 

[werepossum]

I don't know about Wisconsin, but when I looked into teaching in my state and decided against it because it was more work and less pay than my non-degreed job, the teachers were REQUIRED to get a masters to keep their certification at some point. So it wasn't so much that you get a raise for getting a masters, it is that a masters is required for the job and they hold some of your pay hostage until you get one. If you come into the job with a masters you get the full pay from the start.

Interesting. What is your state, specialty, and non-degreed job?

 

[feralkid]

Farmer also don't milk their cows till they die.

No, they milk them until they no longer give enough milk; then they are killed.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ironically, the same fucktards that want to punish the teachers don't ever think they are overpaid for the completely fucked up job they do.