Is the IPCC report peer reviewed enough for y'all? Or do you still have your head in the sand...

[dug777]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm

At the end of the day i'm not so sure climate change will be as devastating as the doomsays would have us believe, at least for the developed world, but i would be interested to see where those who adamantly refused to accept that mankind is the change agent behind accelerated climate change not so long ago stand now?

EDITED for lack of courtesy. Apologies to Amused.

 

[thecrecarc]

Global warming is still a theory, and even if its true, its most likely unsubstantial. Sorry, but i will keep my Hummer. (if only i had one )

Earth goes through natural cycles of heating and warming, just because the world is getting hotter doesn't mean its the end of the world.

 

[ballmode]

Oh silly dug hehehehee

 

[Amused]

Thanks for the edit, Dug.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused
That's funny, Dug. I don't ever remember breaking AT rules and calling you out in a thread.

It was meant to be a joke, but i apologise, and i'm editing.

 

[FoBoT]

it is a normal cycle of the earth

technology isn't causing it to any significant degree

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it is a normal cycle of the earth

technology isn't causing it to any significant degree

data please.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it is a normal cycle of the earth

technology isn't causing it to any significant degree

data please.

I believe it will prove to be a normal cycle affected by human actions...

In other words it's just another day on earth.

 

[sandorski]

There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

 

[Queasy]

How'd our CO2 get to Mars?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Queasy
How'd our CO2 get to Mars?

Because Arnold said "get your gas to Mars!"

 

[Greenman]

Was that the study the U.N. funded? If so, I don't buy a word of it.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it is a normal cycle of the earth

technology isn't causing it to any significant degree

Why do you think that?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

 

[FeuerFrei]

It's probably the same retarded "scientists" that claim there was water on Mars.

They look at evidence and say "wow, that could be caused by water" then a week later they say "it was water, Mars had water" just because they wanted it to be true. They don't let lack of evidence stand in the way of their favorite conclusion.

 

[everman]

Computer models of climate do not generally include water coming into the oceans as ice caps melt. So the IPCC had to decide whether to exclude this from its calculations, or to estimate the effect of a process which scientists do not understand well but which could have a big impact.

They used the former, more conservative approach, projecting an average rise in sea levels globally of between 28 and 43cm. The 2001 report cited a range of nine to 88cm.

It doesn't make much sense to exclude that, ice is already melting at an increased rate as it is, surely there will be some kind of impact, perhaps similar to that of "the little ice age" in the 400 or so years before 1800. In that scenario we get really cold, not hot.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

there's also the middle ground, which says that humans have nothing to do with it, and imho at this stage that's pretty close to the moon landing deniers and the 9/11 conspiracy muppets

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Queasy
How'd our CO2 get to Mars?

wormhole?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

there's also the middle ground, which says that humans have nothing to do with it, and imho at this stage that's pretty close to the moon landing deniers and the 9/11 conspiracy muppets

I dunno...somehow I think that giant ball of nuclear fusion called "the Sun" would have a greater effect on the temperatures on earth. See the Mars post I made above.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

there's also the middle ground, which says that humans have nothing to do with it, and imho at this stage that's pretty close to the moon landing deniers and the 9/11 conspiracy muppets

I should clarify as well. I don't know if Climate change will necessarily result in continued warming. We could end up cooling. Right now we are certainly warming. I think the change is influenced by both man and nature. Nature, of course, has more control, and I'm not sure YET how much man is affecting it. Has anyone ever tried to simplify it down to a percentage? It'd be interesting to see.

One things for sure, there's no reason not to cut emissions. If not for Global Warming then for better air.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

there's also the middle ground, which says that humans have nothing to do with it, and imho at this stage that's pretty close to the moon landing deniers and the 9/11 conspiracy muppets

I dunno...somehow I think that giant ball of nuclear fusion called "the Sun" would have a greater effect on the temperatures on earth. See the Mars post I made above.

I don't really get your logic, care to explain? the sun has been there the whole time earth has, and iirc we've gone through several ice ages

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: sandorski
There are still CFC doubters, Holocaust Deniers, and Moon Landing deniers. I suspect GW Doubters will be around for many generations. Thankfully they are getting fewer in numbers.

There are those who think warming is not caused entirely by humans, which is a perfectly acceptable position, and then there are those who deny the earth is warming. Only the latter are comparable to moon landing deniers in my opinion.

Yep.

there's also the middle ground, which says that humans have nothing to do with it, and imho at this stage that's pretty close to the moon landing deniers and the 9/11 conspiracy muppets

I dunno...somehow I think that giant ball of nuclear fusion called "the Sun" would have a greater effect on the temperatures on earth. See the Mars post I made above.

Which doesn't matter. No one is saying nature doesn't have an effect, but plenty are saying man doesn't. So, let's stick to the topic.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Mill

Which doesn't matter. No one is saying nature doesn't have an effect, but plenty are saying man doesn't. So, let's stick to the topic.

Actually history tells us that nature clearly can trump any effect humans can muster, a single large volcano can drastically change the planet's climate. Google "year without a summer" and you'll read about Mt. Tambora. Core ice samples thousands of years old also record large fluctuation in greenhouse gasses.

That said, I don't think humans are solely responsible, however they may have been a large enough contributor to speed things up or go over a tipping point.

 

[k1pp3r]

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html i dug that up quick, but it points out stuff left out of this "new" report, like the Medieval warming period, which to me looks like the temp raise the same as the US historical number predict .3 degrees. The UN says 1 decree warmer than ever, but i never saw anything in their report that compared this to the Medieval period, which was not industrial in any comparison to our current world. But it was .3 degrees warmer.