Is the internet bad for democracy?

[OokiiNeko]

I would say that I often find "unfiltered" news quite interesting.

"Unfiltered" being news not vetted through the corporate MSM.
In fact, there are some very big holes in corporate MSM coverage.

Unfortunately for Craig, he is doing his fact checking about 7-10 years too late. There are now "independant" sites that are anything but.

Of course, the Internet needs regulation, TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

Ha.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Oh come on, if that was true, Kerry would be in the Oval Office now.

In one sentence you admit the Swift Boat crap was "nefarious liars" and then the next sentence say that Moveon.org had "more effect" than the ant-Bush sites.

:roll:

There is alot more quantity of left wing bloggers and sites than right wing ones and I think that is a given.

The issue that you have is that the "Swift Boaters" actually got alot of traction with their smears where as the left wingers did not.

The reason for that I would think is obvious: middle class, normal speaking, war veterans that trash a guy is a whole lot more persuasive to the average American than any concert tour by Springstein, Mellencamp, Green Day, or anyone else.


Its not the message, its the messenger and left wing doesn't understand that but the right wing does.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
I would say that I often find "unfiltered" news quite interesting.

"Unfiltered" being news not vetted through the corporate MSM.
In fact, there are some very big holes in corporate MSM coverage.

Unfortunately for Craig, he is doing his fact checking about 7-10 years too late. There are now "independant" sites that are anything but.

Of course, the Internet needs regulation, TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

Ha.

You lost me there. While there are some sites who pretend to be independent, there are plenty who are. You want to show me that, say, Glen Greenwald is a stooge for someone else?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Craig234
Dave, of course there were anti-Kerry sites, including the nefarious liars 'Swift Boats for Truth' - the statement I made is that I've never heard the claim that on balance, the internet pushed the election to Bush, as there were huge anti-Bush internet activities - Moveon.org just one - that IMO, my impression, had more effect than the right-wing ones.

Oh come on, if that was true, Kerry would be in the Oval Office now.

In one sentence you admit the Swift Boat crap was "nefarious liars" and then the next sentence say that Moveon.org had "more effect" than the ant-Bush sites.

:roll:

What does the Swift Boat group being nefarious liars, and Moveon.org not being nefarious liars, have to do with how much influence each had on the election?

For your statement that Kerry would be in the Oval Office now, you appear to assume that the internet had the only influence on the election, and that's not the case.

The Swift Boat groups were largely shown to be liars before the election; they had some effect, but mostly with those who were already going to vote for Bush.

On the other hand, some of the liberal groups got a lot of non-political involved. Unfortunately, both sides did - turnout was high.

 

[OokiiNeko]

You lost me there. While there are some siteswho pretend to be independent, there are plenty who are. You want to show me that, say, Glen Greenwald is a stooge for someone else?

It was a general statement.
I am saying there is now a lot more BS to wade through. More noise over substance than there used to be. More noise pretending to be substance than before. And most certainly that there are far more "front sites" than before.

Didn`t make a specific charge about the people you mentioned.
I`ll check out Mr. Greenwald.

🙂

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Craig234
What does the Swift Boat group being nefarious liars, and Moveon.org not being nefarious liars, have to do with how much influence each had on the election?

Here you go again, Craig. Calling the Swift Boat Vets For Truth liars, while saying MoveOn.Org are not. :roll:

You're precisely the partisan hack I've pointed out time and time again.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Don't forget the cyber bullying, you see it on P&N all the time.

Someone posts something and a bunch of people attack that person for their views.
It turns into mob rule which is why P&N is very liberal, many of the conservatives got tired of the bashing and moved on or just don't post as much.

LOL and don't forget cyber whining/tattling, we see it on Personal Forum Issues all the time, right PJ?

The internet should be taken at face value, some people take it waaayyy too seriously. Too many e-Martyrs getting their e-Feelings hurt which causes their e-Panties to bunch up.