Is the heat difference between a 920 and 860 REALLY that big?

[Markfw]

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How is this ? Going higher once this is stable.

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[aigomorla]

I may be a mod, but I am an idiot in some of these things. It just has "manage attachments" so I attached a picture. So what exactly do you mean ? I tried something, but its not working.

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Mark..
like this..

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get rid of the (,)..

so it looks like this:

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And i think i'll leak this one out while im at it too.

Use edit or quote on my post to see what code i used mark.

 

[elconejito]

And i think i'll leak this one out while im at it too.

I need a moment...

 

[aigomorla]

I need a moment...

LOL u have til april.

then your gonna need jobs... to pay for the cpu that is..

 

[Gillbot]

I'll just steal it Aigo, i'm still hiding in your backyard waiting to steal a QX.... though I dunno what i'd do with it now.

 

[Ben90]

*sigh*

Drastically different eh?

Its the SAME HEAT @ identical overclock. When both processors are put @ 4ghz.. they behave almost identically.

Uh.... lol? really? You dont see the difference between those overclocks?
Took these screen shots just for you

Ok, thats a .08 volt difference.... Your screenshots show a .21 volt difference.

.21v is a BIGASS difference. All evidence EVER shows lynnfield uses less power than bloomfield (including your own screenshots). Have ur friend at XS throw the 860 cooler onto the 920; 'nuff said

 

[aigomorla]

ben there is something wrong with your 920.

The second picture makes absolutely no sense..

The second picture would actually warrent a thread in my section on debuging why my i7 temps are so high.

Im telling ya, ive seen a lot of 860 vs 920 threads on XS for WCG.
Guys crunch on every possible chip so we get a accurate representation for real world.

All of them showed @ near 4ghz they all behaved almost the same. Same heat, but with slightly higher vcore.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

this thread stretches twice the width of my screen because of the pics. is there an option in Control Panel to make it fit my screen? Thanks

 

[n7]

this thread stretches twice the width of my screen because of the pics. is there an option in Control Panel to make it fit my screen? Thanks

I've been lobbying for an auto image-resizer [like many vB forums implement] since vB was annouced way back when....

Hope someday we can get it.

Oh, & i need to add a big fat WTF over this.

But the entire i5 vs i7 debate has been sat on, tested, and reported.
In the long run, the i5 isnt worth it unless your absolutely not overclocking.

I assume aigomorla meant to say i7 860 vs. i7 920 isn't worth it, because sorry,
but i5 is a fantastic value package.

i5 750 + good value OCing mobo (not to mention loaded up with all the I/O ports you'll ever need, etc.)
is WAY cheaper than an i7 920 + cheapest of cheapest crap X58 mobos, nvm something slightly higher,
& quite frankly, performance for the dollar is going to to blow away anything i7
unless you are running something truely utilizing HT every single day.

As for i7 860 vs. i7 920, unless you can shop at Microcenter, it's basically the same price for the CPU, & once again,
we have way cheaper better value mobos to pick from on P55 than the overpriced X58 world.

I'd argue that actually, the only time it makes sense to go X58 is for extreme OCing or SLi/CF, as a 3.5 - 4 GHz OC is very do-able with all i7-860s.

It really annoys me greatly whenever i hear people saying you should be going X58 for OCing, as it's BS.
You can do some lovely OCing w/ P55 as well.

If you are aiming for the 4-4.5 GHz range, then i7 920 is definitely the way to go.

But for the majority of us, an i5 750 or i7 860 on P55 is a much better option IMO, as unless you go wasting money on $200+ P55 mobos
(in that case you should be going X58), you still get nice OCing,
& you can put the saved money toward things that actually make a noticeable performance boost, like SSDs. :biggrin:

 

[CharonPDX]

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[aigomorla]

I assume aigomorla meant to say i7 860 vs. i7 920 isn't worth it, because sorry,
but i5 is a fantastic value package.

yes thats exactly what i meant.

That's why i kept calling the 860 an i7.

Meh... im done with this thread.
Everytime u guys call wolf on me, and i always come in the end and pwn the forum.
There's a reason why a lot of people come to me with cooling questions, and why the people also me elected a cooling moderator.
Hell, i almost got cpu and overclocking moderator as well, but i pulled out because h2o was my first favorite.

You guys decide on what is better, but i have said my peace.
As for me, while you guys decide on whats better and 920, well now it will be either a 930, or W3520, or a lynnfield i7 860.

I'll just twiddle my thumbs in the corner with gulftown.

 

[Hyperlite]

yes thats exactly what i meant.

That's why i kept calling the 860 an i7.

Meh... im done with this thread.
Everytime u guys call wolf on me, and i always come in the end and pwn the forum.
There's a reason why a lot of people come to me with cooling questions, and why the people also me elected a cooling moderator.
Hell, i almost got cpu and overclocking moderator as well, but i pulled out because h2o was my first favorite.

You guys decide on what is better, but i have said my peace.
As for me, while you guys decide on whats better and 920, well now it will be either a 930, or W3520, or a lynnfield i7 860.

I'll just twiddle my thumbs in the corner with gulftown.

wow. grade A right there. How this guy became a mod with an attitude like that....is beyond me. And then goes on to brag about an unreleased part that he has...Seriously?

 

[aigomorla]

wow. grade A right there. How this guy became a mod with an attitude like that....is beyond me. And then goes on to brag about an unreleased part that he has...Seriously?

Well last time i checked this was CPU and Overclocking.
Not cases and cooling.

Also Last time i checked moderators were human too.
And i dont wear a hat in this section, so why cant i act like a human when it applies to this section?

And yes im am a bit annoyed, because this is very simular to exactly what happened to me when i previewed the D0 stepping and told everyone this is the Stepping.

Yet what did everyone else say? no, its an ES thats why its like that.. yada yada..
So meh...

Im done with this thread.
If you dont like my attitude here, its a 180 in cases and cooling where i actually moderate.

 

[CharonPDX]

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[aigomorla]

Once again this is not my section.
If u want me to act like a moderator come see in me in cases and cooling.
I dont show any emotions in that section. Which i think is what you guys want from moderators.

And charon i have a history here for previewing a TON of stuff b4 the main article comes out.
What have i previewed b4 release?

If you were lurking for a long time, you'd know that. Should i remind you what i previewed here on AT?

How about...
i7 X5570 Gainestown.
i7 965
i7 975
W3580
W3570

Those are just i7's want me to list the LGA775 quadcores i also introduced?

So excuse my ego... its kinda built up that way.
Ask any of the old members here that do know me.

I have way more then enough history to back up my ego.

You have better gear? yours or your companys?
Great i love a good challange against people.

I personally own a 3.07Gainestown Server /w intel 5520SC board.
A gulftown im playing with...
I own a 975 a 965 a W3580 a W3570, i had 3 920's from c0/c1 to D0.

I think i have enough stuff to have an inflated ego.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

I've been lobbying for an auto image-resizer [like many vB forums implement] since vB was annouced way back when....

Hope someday we can get it.

Oh, & i need to add a big fat WTF over this.



I assume aigomorla meant to say i7 860 vs. i7 920 isn't worth it, because sorry,
but i5 is a fantastic value package.

i5 750 + good value OCing mobo (not to mention loaded up with all the I/O ports you'll ever need, etc.)
is WAY cheaper than an i7 920 + cheapest of cheapest crap X58 mobos, nvm something slightly higher,
& quite frankly, performance for the dollar is going to to blow away anything i7
unless you are running something truely utilizing HT every single day.

As for i7 860 vs. i7 920, unless you can shop at Microcenter, it's basically the same price for the CPU, & once again,
we have way cheaper better value mobos to pick from on P55 than the overpriced X58 world.

I'd argue that actually, the only time it makes sense to go X58 is for extreme OCing or SLi/CF, as a 3.5 - 4 GHz OC is very do-able with all i7-860s.

It really annoys me greatly whenever i hear people saying you should be going X58 for OCing, as it's BS.
You can do some lovely OCing w/ P55 as well.

If you are aiming for the 4-4.5 GHz range, then i7 920 is definitely the way to go.

But for the majority of us, an i5 750 or i7 860 on P55 is a much better option IMO, as unless you go wasting money on $200+ P55 mobos
(in that case you should be going X58), you still get nice OCing,
& you can put the saved money toward things that actually make a noticeable performance boost, like SSDs. :biggrin:

I completely disagree. You don't save that much more by going P55 yet you only get 16 PCI-E lanes instead of 40. You also miss out on the higher end chips. BTW, there are no cheap X58 boards. They are all high end boards that are packed with features. The only reason people pay more is for slightly better overclocking or a NF200 chip.

 

[Hyperlite]

Once again this is not my section.
If u want me to act like a moderator come see in me in cases and cooling.
I dont show any emotions in that section. Which i think is what you guys want from moderators.

And charon i have a history here for previewing a TON of stuff b4 the main article comes out.
What have i previewed b4 release?

If you were lurking for a long time, you'd know that. Should i remind you what i previewed here on AT?

How about...
i7 X5570 Gainestown.
i7 965
i7 975
W3580
W3570

Those are just i7's want me to list the LGA775 quadcores i also introduced?

So excuse my ego... its kinda built up that way.
Ask any of the old members here that do know me.

I have way more then enough history to back up my ego.

You have better gear? yours or your companys?
Great i love a good challange against people.

I personally own a 3.07Gainestown Server /w intel 5520SC board.
A gulftown im playing with...
I own a 975 a 965 a W3580 a W3570, i had 3 920's from c0/c1 to D0.

I think i have enough stuff to have an inflated ego.

The fact that you can even justify having an inflated ego is bad enough. I don't care what forum you moderate. That "Moderator" tag you carry means you represent this community, wherever you are. Act like it.

 

[Gillbot]

The fact that you can even justify having an inflated ego is bad enough. I don't care what forum you moderate. That "Moderator" tag you carry means you represent this community, wherever you are. Act like it.

The moderator tag does NOT mean we need to adjust our attitudes to appease people, including you. I will tell you BOTH to back it off now before I start vacationing people. Yes Aigo, you as well.
Anandtech Moderator
Gillbot

 

[bradley]

I personally agree about a certain forum attitude being very unappealing coming from a moderator. And Aigo is hardly a poster boy in that respect. The Politics and News section is particularly inciteful. That's the true black eye of these forums. But what the heck do I know; I seldom visit these forums as frequently as year's past.

 

[aigomorla]

well on that note im gonna applogize to the forum.

And take 2 steps back.

 

[Gillbot]

I personally agree about a certain forum attitude being very unappealing coming from a moderator. And Aigo is hardly a poster boy in that respect. The Politics and News section is particularly inciteful. That's the true black eye of these forums. But what the heck do I know; I seldom visit these forums as frequently as year's past.

I covered this already:

The moderator tag does NOT mean we need to adjust our attitudes to appease people, including you. I will tell you BOTH to back it off now before I start vacationing people. Yes Aigo, you as well.
Anandtech Moderator
Gillbot

 

[bradley]

I covered this already:

A bad precedent is set when posters show more restraint than moderators. It's a poor reflection on these forums, which appear (at least to me) less hospitable than ever. What ends up remaining are less than reasoned and balanced opinions. Again, that's an impression I have kept to myself for quite some time.

But no, Aigo isn't the most egregious offender... not by a long shot. He provides a lot of value. Although a little humility never hurt anyone, even at the expense of pride. Thinking before you post, that's another good example to set. Respect is also a two-way street, as basically trite and cornball as it seems.

 

[Gillbot]

I agree, and many of us try but this is a site for enthusiasts and emotions have and will become involved. Forcing one to squelch their emotions and comments because of a title is simply unacceptable IMHO. As long as the persons don't let their emotions interfere with their titled duty, I see no problems and it's a rule here never to actively moderate a thread you participate in.

 

[n7]

I completely disagree. You don't save that much more by going P55 yet you only get 16 PCI-E lanes instead of 40. You also miss out on the higher end chips. BTW, there are no cheap X58 boards. They are all high end boards that are packed with features. The only reason people pay more is for slightly better overclocking or a NF200 chip.

Firstly, let's agree to disagree

But you completely missed my point.

What i said:

I'd argue that actually, the only time it makes sense to go X58 is for extreme OCing or SLi/CF, as a 3.5 - 4 GHz OC is very do-able with all i7-860s.

No one running a single graphics card gives a crap about more PCI-e lanes.
It's completely unneeded.

What do you mean "higher end chips"?
If you are talking about the overpriced i7 950/960/975 CPUs, sure.
s1366 is definitely best for those wanting to throw money away.
Not disagreeing there.

Oh yeah, & there are lots of great [less overpriced] P55 boards "packed with features"; you'll have to point out precisely what features are missing there, as i'm not seeing anything missing on P55.

Finally, "you don't save that much more by going P55".

That's obviously again an opinion of what "much more" is, as i see a huge savings in P55.

I've already pointed out that other than those near Microcenters, i7 920 & i7 860 are the same price.
i5 750 is obviously much cheaper.

So with regards to CPUs, we have the same price range option, & a much cheaper option (i5 750).

With regards to RAM, obviously it's either going to cost more for s1366 (3x2 GB/6x2 GBvs. 2x2/4x2 GB), or a bit less (if one just goes 3x2 GB for s1366 vs. 4x2 GB for s1156).
You'll find that even if you are going 4x2 GB on P55 vs. 3x2 GB on X58, you still come out saving $$$.

Coolers are around the same pricing as well.

So the main difference is mobo.

from newegg:
Cheapest P55 is $90!
Cheapest decent P55 i'd consider buying is $110 (GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2)

Cheapest X58 is $145
Cheapest decent X58 i'd consider buying is $189 (GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R)

Obviously, what mobo you buy with vary on what you are looking for in a board, but in general, there's going to be at least a $50 difference! (Which can be used toward more RAM, better GPU, an SSD, etc.)

If one wants heavy OCing & the best, they should be looking @ X58, i agree 100%.

But X58 simply doesn't compete in the bang for buck arena, especially when you take into account the huge number of people who really don't benefit from HT (i5 750's market).

 

[Gillbot]

hmm, my x58 board was $118 open box from newegg. But it WAS an open box so shrug.