Is the Fatkins fad finally dying?

[skace]

It wasn't a fad, it was logic.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
you suckers with your diets. I eat 5k calories a day and still weigh 165.

Hah, like that's healthy.

Like gigapet mentioned it won't last, and the longer you go without caring about your diet the harder it will be to break the habit. I was forced to adopt a healthier approach at 16 and while I was chubbier than most people my age at that time I'm now massively thinner, because my approach has become a real lifestyle, whereas now people finally are chubbing up and realizing that they can't stick to a proper approach.

I tried eating a normal diet, and I started losing weight. either I'll balloon out like my dad did, or I'll stay as skinny as I am now, like my Grandfather.

Have you actually measured the calories you consume (and over an extended period of time)? 5k is quite a lot, unless you are sucking down lard 😉 On that note, one of my brothers is over 30, eats like a horse (although less than he did 10 years ago), rarely exercises and has no visible body fat.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: notfred
Yes, like every other diet fad before it, it's seen the end of its 15 minutes. It was the easiest diet ever and most fat Americans STILL couldn't stick to it.

I know people who lost a lot of weight on Atkins. It's the only diet I've ever seen that consistently worked in the real world. But you know, someone publishes an article somewhere that 0.002% of the population can't lose weight on it - and *boom* Fatty McFatterson is right back watching American Idol reruns while eating canned cake frosting with his bare hands again.

 

[StageLeft]

It's the only diet I've ever seen that consistently worked in the real world.

Less calories consistently works. Always has, always will 🙂

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Landroval

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
you suckers with your diets. I eat 5k calories a day and still weigh 165.

Hah, like that's healthy.

Like gigapet mentioned it won't last, and the longer you go without caring about your diet the harder it will be to break the habit. I was forced to adopt a healthier approach at 16 and while I was chubbier than most people my age at that time I'm now massively thinner, because my approach has become a real lifestyle, whereas now people finally are chubbing up and realizing that they can't stick to a proper approach.

I tried eating a normal diet, and I started losing weight. either I'll balloon out like my dad did, or I'll stay as skinny as I am now, like my Grandfather.

Have you actually measured the calories you consume (and over an extended period of time)? 5k is quite a lot, unless you are sucking down lard 😉 On that note, one of my brothers is over 30, eats like a horse (although less than he did 10 years ago), rarely exercises and has no visible body fat.

search for the how many calories do you consume a day thread. It'll suprise you.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Landroval

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
you suckers with your diets. I eat 5k calories a day and still weigh 165.

Hah, like that's healthy.

Like gigapet mentioned it won't last, and the longer you go without caring about your diet the harder it will be to break the habit. I was forced to adopt a healthier approach at 16 and while I was chubbier than most people my age at that time I'm now massively thinner, because my approach has become a real lifestyle, whereas now people finally are chubbing up and realizing that they can't stick to a proper approach.

I tried eating a normal diet, and I started losing weight. either I'll balloon out like my dad did, or I'll stay as skinny as I am now, like my Grandfather.

Have you actually measured the calories you consume (and over an extended period of time)? 5k is quite a lot, unless you are sucking down lard 😉 On that note, one of my brothers is over 30, eats like a horse (although less than he did 10 years ago), rarely exercises and has no visible body fat.

search for the how many calories do you consume a day thread. It'll suprise you.

I posted in it long ago. 5k is a lot if you are eating healthy foods.

 

[Leper Messiah]

BK and subway probably not healthy. oh well. Gotta have fun with life.

 

[SagaLore]

I saw a commercial the other night for South Beach. That's the new fad.

 

[aircooled]

I've learned alot from it, but do not adhere to any of them "by the book". i just picked up the things about it that made since to me.

What I've done is just avoid sugar and white carbs. i eat whole wheat pasta, and whole wheat bread and brown rice for carbs, and stick to lean proteins like chicken and turkey, etc.. (i still need my occasional steak 🙂 ).
I don't snack on chips and stuff, just keep a jar of peanuts around for snacking.

That plus occasional cardio exercise I've managed to get my total cholesterol from 280 to 210 (still need to work on that a bit but my HDL is perfect), also dropped my weight from 206 to 180-ish.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
BK and subway probably not healthy. oh well. Gotta have fun with life.

Heh, well as you get older you'll probably start to taper off. I remember my brother ordering 3 bags of food (one meal) from taco Bell at a time when he was 15. He still eats a lot by most people's standards but nowhere near that much anymore.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

It's the only diet I've ever seen that consistently worked in the real world.

Less calories consistently works. Always has, always will 🙂

True of course - what I meant was that Atkins really did help the people I know lose weight - people who were never able to do it with the other diets they tried, and people who by and large don't exercise.

Shoot, I lost 25 lbs on my own "beef jerky, Concerta and cigars" diet a couple years ago. Nobody wanted to be around me, but man I looked great.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: Skoorb

It's the only diet I've ever seen that consistently worked in the real world.

Less calories consistently works. Always has, always will 🙂

True of course - what I meant was that Atkins really did help the people I know lose weight - people who were never able to do it with the other diets they tried, and people who by and large don't exercise.

Shoot, I lost 25 lbs on my own "beef jerky, Concerta and cigars" diet a couple years ago. Nobody wanted to be around me, but man I looked great.

I think if someone is overweight whatever motivates them is a good thing (as long as it is not deficient in nutrients or calories). But there is clearly a lack of education (or perhaps a resistance to accept the reality) about basic nutrition and metabolic processes in the U.S. in general. It would be great if people could learn about exercise and moderate eating when they are very young, because it is a rude shock to so many people when they baloon up after years of "normal eating."

 

[dullard]

There was no possiblity of Atkins staying popular. Multiple studies have now shown that Atkins is about the best diet for the first 6 months. However, those same studies show that after the first 6 months, people who strictly follow the Atkins diet (yes, this is the people who read the book) on average gain weight back slowly. People who don't follow it strictly gain weight back quickly. Thus Atkins is a temporary fix. By one year out, Atkins is beat by many diets since the others are a slow consistant weight loss and Atkins is a consistant weight gain.

When someone tries Atkins and hits that weight gain portion they drop out. Never to return. Since Atkins was such a popular diet a year ago, that means that now all those people are just now forever leaving the diet. Sure some will stick around forever, but many won't. And almost no one returns to a failed diet. Overall, the result is that Atkins is a diet with one of the lowest percent of people who can stick to it long term.

 

[FoBoT]

i like to eat steak

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i like to eat steak

QFT

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: notfred
Yes, like every other diet fad before it, it's seen the end of its 15 minutes. It was the easiest diet ever and most fat Americans STILL couldn't stick to it.

That's because nobody read the freakin' book. They just heard from their friend "You just eat steak and bacon all the time and in two weeks you'll be Charles Atlas."

At the end of the day, Atkins is supposed to be about a lifestyle change - an exercise regimen coupled with determining how much you should eat and exercise in order to maintain your target weight, but once the masses (no pun intended) caught on, they stopped reading after 30 pages.....and that's if they even picked up the book.

I still see carb counts all over everything though.

Exactly...people didn't read the part where you can't eat grains, sugar, or veggies with high starch and sugar contents, then started eating bacon and pork and dark meat chicken like crazy. Then they couldn't figure out why the diet didn't work :|

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: dullard
After the first 6 months, people who strictly follow the Atkins diet (yes, this is the people who read the book) on average gain weight back slowly.

Nope, impossible. If you are strickly following the diet you would know that as soon as you start gaining back weight you have to reduce carbs further. Unless being on atkins for 6 months gives your body the magical ability to turn fat into carbs, you aren't going to start gaining weight.

What may happen is that 6 months down the line people think "great I lost a lot of weightI can start eating normal again" And they return to the eating style that gave them the weight problem in the first place.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: dullard
After the first 6 months, people who strictly follow the Atkins diet (yes, this is the people who read the book) on average gain weight back slowly.

Nope, impossible. If you are strickly following the diet you would know that as soon as you start gaining back weight you have to reduce carbs further. Unless being on atkins for 6 months gives your body the magical ability to turn fat into carbs, you aren't going to start gaining weight.

What may happen is that 6 months down the line people think "great I lost a lot of weightI can start eating normal again" And they return to the eating style that gave them the weight problem in the first place.

Yes, and that's exactly the mistake I made when I first went on the diet a few years back. I lost 70 pounds over a period of 9 months, but then I got lazy. It really does need to be a lifestyle change, which is what I'm working on right now.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Nope, impossible. If you are strickly following the diet you would know that as soon as you start gaining back weight you have to reduce carbs further. Unless being on atkins for 6 months gives your body the magical ability to turn fat into carbs, you aren't going to start gaining weight.

Actually the whole Atkin's "science" is wrong. That argument is false. People on Atkins simply eat less. Less mass, less calories, less. That is why they lose weight. Yes, strict followers are gaining weight on average. "On average" means that some may lose or maintain, but it isn't typical to do that.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes, and that's exactly the mistake I made when I first went on the diet a few years back. I lost 70 pounds over a period of 9 months, but then I got lazy.

It's the same reason most diets fail. It's not the diet, but the person. People get comfortable with their weight loss and then fall off the wagon.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Yes, and that's exactly the mistake I made when I first went on the diet a few years back. I lost 70 pounds over a period of 9 months, but then I got lazy.

It's the same reason most diets fail. It's not the diet, but the person. People get comfortable with their weight loss and then fall off the wagon.

Yeah. I must not make the same mistake again. 😉

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: dullard
Actually the whole Atkin's "science" is wrong. That argument is false. People on Atkins simply eat less. Less mass, less calories, less. That is why they lose weight. Yes, strict followers are gaining weight on average. "On average" means that some may lose or maintain, but it isn't typical to do that.

Oh really? Well then great, why don't you tell United Nations about this, because it's great news that they can just send tubs of fat to starving nations in order to feed them instead of balanced foods including carbohydrates.

Atkins isn't about eating less. That is the very first thing you learn, so I guess you have zero knowledge of the diet. You can eat as much as you want, as long as it has no carbs. If it has a few carbs you can still eat a little, as long as your total carb consumption per day is under X, where X is 20 to start and gradually increases.

 

[Koing]

People should just fvcking exercise and eat less crappy food. More fruit and veg.

My mum lost quite a bit of weight (18-20lbs). She ate more healthy and swims 3-4x a week and has been doing so for the best part of a year. Now she wants to gain weight.

I challenge anyone to swim 3-4x a week do 30laps of a 25m pool and NOT LOSE WEIGHT.

Hell my mum couldn't even swim a year ago and learnt how to swim and now loves it she has a year membership.

I would be f0cked if I even tried to swim 10 laps of the pool! Mum does 30 laps and she is 45yrs old and has a resting pulse of 45bpm!

Koing

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: dullard
Actually the whole Atkin's "science" is wrong. That argument is false. People on Atkins simply eat less. Less mass, less calories, less. That is why they lose weight. Yes, strict followers are gaining weight on average. "On average" means that some may lose or maintain, but it isn't typical to do that.

Oh really? Well then great, why don't you tell United Nations about this, because it's great news that they can just send tubs of fat to starving nations in order to feed them instead of balanced foods including carbohydrates.

Atkins isn't about eating less. That is the very first thing you learn, so I guess you have zero knowledge of the diet. You can eat as much as you want, as long as it has no carbs. If it has a few carbs you can still eat a little, as long as your total carb consumption per day is under X, where X is 20 to start and gradually increases.

I think what he means is that most people on Atkins tend to eat fewer calories than they did before. This is supported by several research studies. Of course they will lose weight this way.

 

[StageLeft]

Atkins isn't about eating less. That is the very first thing you learn, so I guess you have zero knowledge of the diet. You can eat as much as you want, as long as it has no carbs.

That's what the diet says, but dullard isn't wrong about it being eating less. When you're brutally limited on food choices you DO end up eating less. The diet may say you can eat 15 eggs and 12 hamburger patties for dinner, but it's disgusting, so the end result is less calories.

I understand the benefits of ketosis, but I am not sure how many people ever actually achieve that state.