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Is the death of the Athlon near?

BD231

BD231

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Well, with Intel's new 133mhz fsb part's, it dosent look like the Athlon has a fighting chance against the P4, not even with a new .13u die. The Athlon has changed so much since it's Soket-A intro., and from what I can tell, AMD has tweaked the life out of the Athlon with it's XP core, just like Intel did with the P3. Is their still life left in the Athlon?, if so how much longer do you think it will last?. What will AMD replace the Athlon core with?.
 


<< Well, with Intel's new 133mhz fsb part's, it dosent look like the Athlon has a fighting chance against the P4, not even with a new .13u die. The Athlon has changed so much since it's Soket-A intro., and from what I can tell, AMD has tweaked the life out of the Athlon with it's XP core, just like Intel did with the P3. Is their still life left in the Athlon?, if so how much longer do you think it will last?. What will AMD replace the Athlon core with?. >>



Do we really need the 2.6Ghz CPU?? 🙂 Well, it would be nice to have them but Athlon would be around for a long time. Before you know it, AMD will come up with something as they always do. 😀

Don't get me wrong. I love the intel woody. 😀 Thinking about going Intel for now. 😀
 
Looking through AMD's current roadmap, it looks like the Thoroughbred (basically Athlon XP at .13u die size) is the last hurrah for the Athlon. Whether or not the Tbred will sport a 166MHz bus is still up in the air, but it looks unlikely IMO. This will squeeze a few hundred MHz out of the Athlon core, and AFAIK no new features will be included. The newcomer will be Hammer, which looks to be a worthy replacement for the Athlon we've grown to love.
 
Nope, there isn't a lot of life left for the Athlon, but there is some. With the shift the .13um AMD can make the Athlon go a little faster yet, and pretty much compete with the P4 line. However, more importantly, the Athlon will be succeeded by a brand new core, code-named Clawhammer. It will be a highly advanced core that I think will allow AMD to solidly regain the speed crown. Last I heard, Clawhammer won't be shipping until late 2002, with more massive quantities coming in early 2003. We'll have to do with Athlon XP's until then.
 
Thoroughbred will extend the life by allowing higher clock speeds, & there are other cores coming after it.

Don't forget that SMP systems running two XP's is still a very, very fast solution, & cheap as well.

Viper GTS <-- Just ordered two 1800+'s to replace his dual 1200 TBirds
 


<< Thoroughbred will extend the life by allowing higher clock speeds, & there are other cores coming after it.

Don't forget that SMP systems running two XP's is still a very, very fast solution, & cheap as well.

Viper GTS <-- Just ordered two 1800+'s to replace his dual 1200 TBirds >>



How sure are you that the XPs can do SMP??? I'm looking for a rig like that too. 😀
 


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<< Thoroughbred will extend the life by allowing higher clock speeds, & there are other cores coming after it.

Don't forget that SMP systems running two XP's is still a very, very fast solution, & cheap as well.

Viper GTS <-- Just ordered two 1800+'s to replace his dual 1200 TBirds >>



How sure are you that the XPs can do SMP??? I'm looking for a rig like that too. 😀 >>



100%

Viper GTS
 
Whether or not the Tbred will sport a 166MHz bus is still up in the air, but it looks unlikely IMO

Wouldent this new T-Bred your talking about *HAVE* to be a 166mhz fsb part to overtake one of the new P4's?. Honestly I think the Athlon core overall is getting a little dated, I wouldent think it wise to invest in one of these new T-Breds if all it offerd was a higher clock speed. Dose it have any other enhancements?
 
the .13 and SOI should really give a speed boost, but will it beat a 133 p4? I doubt it.

There is no reason why the athlons can't move up to 166 bus, as anyone can seem to o/c them that high, as long as the multiplier is moved down. It would really help the performance.
 
The Athlon won't really be dead for at least another 1.5-2.0 years. In the high-end space, the Athlon will be dead in about 10 months, when the ClawHammer 3400+ debuts.

Shifting to .13u (Thoroughbred), the Athlon should be able to push 2GHz clock speeds. With .13u and SOI (Barton), the Athlon should be able to get well above 2GHz, maybe 2.3-2.4GHz or so. But by that time ClawHammer will completely take over.
 
There is no reason why the athlons can't move up to 166 bus, as anyone can seem to o/c them that high, as long as the multiplier is moved down. It would really help the performance.

I have heard that 166mhz fsb is easy to obtain also, which makes me very skeptical of people who say we wont see a 166mhz fsb part. If it's true that the Athlon wont see the 166mhz FSB, then that would mean AMD has something else new and great in the works to keep up with Intel.

Shifting to .13u (Thoroughbred), the Athlon should be able to push 2GHz clock speeds. With .13u and SOI (Barton), the Athlon should be able to get well above 2GHz, maybe 2.3-2.4GHz or so.

Have you found any new info on heat figures for the Athy die shrink agodspeed?, dose the Hammer core look to surpass the P4 like the Athlon did to the P3, or is that being a little optimistic?.
 
If the Athlon XP moves to a 333MHz DDR FSB, then AMD won't have a thing to worry about before ClawHammer hits. Once ClawHammer hits though, my prediction is that it'll be smooth sailing for a while. 😉
 


<< If the Athlon XP moves to a 333MHz DDR FSB, then AMD won't have a thing to worry about before ClawHammer hits. >>

In the marketing wars, maybe. But if the XP can't really benefit from 333 memory what's the point?

AMD can always compete on price. They may not like it but that's an option. The Athlon has some life left, I think. 🙂
 
But if the XP can't really benefit from 333 memory what's the point?

But that's just it. If the Athlon's FSB is upped to 333MHz, then it'll better be able to take advantage of DDR333 RAM. At 266MHz FSB, DDR333 RAM doesn't provide much of a speed boost because a 266MHz FSB can only theoretically use 2.1GB of bandwidth, which is exactly what DDR266 provides (2.1GB). At 333MHz FSB, the maximum theoretical bandwidth is 2.7GB, which is exactly what DDR333 RAM provides.
 
there's no problem w/ the XP utilizing a 333mhz FSB...the problem is the future and availability of DDR333 (pc2700) memory...there's no point in releasing a processor that can't be used...running a 166mhz fsb and 133mhz memory bus asynchronously is retarded (if even achievable?..i'd think so).

apparently most mem manufacturers are not even bothering w/ large-scale production of pc2700 modules, but instead waiting for DDR II finalization...so...
 
<<apparently most mem manufacturers are not even bothering w/ large-scale production of pc2700 modules>>

Because PC2700 doesn't exist as a standard you can be sure everyone will stamp PC2700-compatible on thier DDR modules if the market requires them. The advent of DDR-II is too far off to warrant not producing PC2700 in quantity.

<<...running a 166mhz fsb and 133mhz memory bus asynchronously is retarded (if even achievable?..i'd think so).>>

Interleaved DDR has been mastered by VIA and NVidia. I don't think DDR memory bandwidth will be a problem for an Athlon/166fsb come 2Q2002.
 
madrat, ud' think so....

but like i said, they won't even bother w/ pc2700 for awhile, by the looks of it...they'll just keep pumping out pc2100 - after all, it's relatively new, and mem doesn't have a strict cycle for new products...they're pretty much setting the trend.

i'd like to see the pc2700 standard w/ 166mhz fsb athlons in the near future, but i doubt it...wait for clawhammer for any worthwhile technological advances in the processor market.
 
Honestly i looked ath the benchmarks at Toms Hardware...i wasnt that impressed...frankly it isnt that much of a leap in performance.

AMD will do just fine, the cost for perofrmance is still way to high for an INtel chip...they overcharge..simple enough.
I run a PIII866 it does every game out there just fine and runs every app I have ever installed without a hitch and plenty fast, I think people are too caught up in the "gotta go faster" hysteria.
NO one is using that much power to play games..lets face it..no one uses that much power to do much of anything on an everyday PC.
 
all you guys talk about is new amd cpus, what about chipsets???? I love my KT266A based board, but still, how many IS manager will even consider via based solutions? Too bad the only non via option is the SIs 735 chip which still hasn't earned respect in the non-hobbiest market. And why do AMD 760 boards have via southbridges? Why cant they just have an amd southbridge? How many schools or firms you know will think about buying via/sis based solutions? All they want is stability and apparently intel has earned the crown in that area.😀




Just my 2 cents😉
 
SaigonK, I had similar feelings regarding those benches.

There will always be early adoptors. Some do it for bragging rights, some do it because money shoots out from their arses, while others just dig the hobby. If everybody said "that's plenty of power" we'd never see any progress. I will say now more than ever we have no serious software need for all this processing and video power. It's taking developers forever to catch up, if ever they will.

Blame AMD and Nvidia for forcing the accelerated pace. Or thank them, depending on your view.
 
I agree, AMD's major problem is third party chipsets, i really think they should either mass produce their own or set a reference architecture for via to follow so they don't screw up as they have time and time again. Then they need to prove that their platforms are rock solid and gain mor acceptance. As for the tomshardwares benchmarks I was thouroughly unimpressed, I bet an overclocked XP could thrash those scores. The Athlons still have a couple of years left in them, once clawhammer arrives they will take over the value market.
 
Chipsets have been a problem from the get-go with AMD, I feel the chipset market will work itself out though, its been getting better and better. I heard AMD is working on a technology chipset that will take care of the whole AMD chipset reliability problem and offer all the good stuff that 3 party chipset makers offer.
 
I was rather impressed with the benchmarks on the "new/soon to be" 133 P4 over at Toms. It actually made me consider a future upgrade to Intel. And I was surprised to find that RDRAM costs the same as PC2100 memory. Thus, the price difference isn't as substantial as it once was. Plus, to be honest, I would like to try my hands at an Intel solution. Not that I have been unhappy with it, but I have been running AMD and Via for a long time now and a change might be nice.
 
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