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Is the "cure for cancer" a scam?

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I tend to be cynical. It would be lovely if we could all live forever but it's just not going to happen. Not eveyone human born can go on living, it's just a fact of nature.

I would agree that it is a scam. A terminal illness is just that terminal, your life will be terminated. It's not pleasant but people learn to deal with it.
 
Just because it's like everything else and all about the dollar signs doesn't mean that there aren't good intentions. It's just an impossible goal is all. We all have to go someday...
 
Again is this to cure or "treat" cancer.

Most drugs for cancer are developed with the intention to cure. Unfortunately, in most cases their results are not always very good. People don't seem to understand that cancer is a covenient way of lumping together several hundred radically different diseases, which have one thing in common - they're part of the bodies own tissues which has lost the ability to stop growing and to self-destruct. How do you destroy tissue, which won't kill itself after a serious injury, but which is extremely similar to the rest of the tissues in the body, which will kill itself if injured? Indeed, one of the things that has come from research into potential treatments and cures for cancers, is that even groups of cancers that had traditionally been thought to be a single disease - may actually be a whole set of different diseases.

There are other issues too - in that it takes many years, if not decades for a drug to be tested and for experience to be gained in its use. New drugs are almost always used as 'last ditch' attempts, after every other treatment has already been tried. Only if a drug proves effective and safe in that situation does its use get extended to be used at earlier and earlier stages. It isn't ethically acceptable to test a brand new drug with only limited data, directly against an established treatment.

Certainly, there are good successes - with some cancers, like some types of testicular cancer, certain gynaecological cancers, and some blood disorders, it's unusual not to be cured with current treatment.

My dad's a pharmacist. He told me a dirty little secret: most of the top 'drug companies' do little or no R&D. They let others do it, then buy the formula IF they think they can market it. These companies exist solely to make their shareholders happy.

Don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.

I did check it out. He's completely wrong. Every single one of the major pharmaceutical companies has an enormous R&D budget - GSK, AZN, Pfizer, Wyeth, Roche, Bayer, Lilly, Novartis all have R&D budgets in the multiple billions. Several have budgets exceeding $5 billion.

Yes, a lot of drugs are bought up by the major companies - but unfortunately, this is often the only way to get them to market. Current estimates of the cost to bring a drug to market are approx $200-400 million. You also have to remember that not every drug launched to market will be a commercial success and recoup its development costs. In general it's only big pharma that can afford to run the trials to get regulatory approval.


 
Originally posted by: Mark R
Yes, a lot of drugs are bought up by the major companies - but unfortunately, this is often the only way to get them to market. Current estimates of the cost to bring a drug to market are approx $200-400 million. You also have to remember that not every drug launched to market will be a commercial success and recoup its development costs. In general it's only big pharma that can afford to run the trials to get regulatory approval.
I couldn't agree more. The reason why big pharm often buys up drugs from smaller companies is because the best minds often leave big pharmaceutical companies to start their own ventures.

Ever heard of Amgen? The founder left a big pharm company to start Amgen, and he's now a billionaire. My family member (who works for big pharm) had a boss who left to join Amgen, and he's getting rich now too.

Face it - big pharm has the money, but smaller companies often have the brains. And because of their financial prowess, many big drug companies simply buy up drugs from smaller ones. Capitalism at its finest.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: FoBoT
wait, let me get my tinfoil hat on before i respond, BRB

So are you one of people who trusts salesmen and mechanics?

i don't trust anybody on anything, that is why i have a special hat
 
Originally posted by: sixone
My dad's a pharmacist. He told me a dirty little secret: most of the top 'drug companies' do little or no R&D. They let others do it, then buy the formula IF they think they can market it. These companies exist solely to make their shareholders happy.

Don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.

That makes no sense. R&D is VERY expensive, and someone has to bankroll it.

The fact that we even HAVE any of the drugs we do today is proof that a lot of money is invested in R&D. That money doesn't come out of thin air.

Also, ALL companies exist solely to keep their shareholders happy, so that's not really a valid insult.

Originally posted by: jumpr
Face it - big pharm has the money, but smaller companies often have the brains. And because of their financial prowess, many big drug companies simply buy up drugs from smaller ones. Capitalism at its finest.
...But the small companies will shrivel up and die if the big companies don't ALSO bankroll their R&D. If big companies only bought proven drugs, no one would bother researching since you'd lose money on the stuff that didn't work and wouldn't make much money on the stuff that did (the big companies would buy it and take most of the profit)
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Dont know about population control. But lets be realistic here:

Is there more money in curing cancer, or treating it?
Far more in "treating" it.

Drug companies aren't charity. They are no different than any other huge corporation that is concerned solely with their profits.
There is probably no [single] "cure" for cancer . . . MOST cancer is preventable - yet almost NO ONE changes their lifestyle. This will never "end".
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Dont know about population control. But lets be realistic here:

Is there more money in curing cancer, or treating it?
Far more in "treating" it.

Drug companies aren't charity. They are no different than any other huge corporation that is concerned solely with their profits.
There is probably no [single] "cure" for cancer . . . MOST cancer is preventable - yet almost NO ONE changes their lifestyle. This will never "end".

To me the bigger issue is cancer prevention that is in the hands of regulators and industry, not the patients. Like that article says, the maker of mammogram machines also pollutes with the 3rd largest amount of known carcinogens.
 
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