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There was a news article of some (IIRC) gaming-oriented cybercafe getting burgled with the CPUs, memory and graphics cards getting pulled out of PCs. I wonder if this could become a thing during this price spike, ie. target a known gamer's house, nab the RAM as the easiest /least risky (in terms of potential damage) part to quickly take.
Then it turns out that memory manufacturers are the ones orchestrating the thefts
Then it turns out that memory manufacturers are the ones orchestrating the thefts
DrMrLordX
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That would certainly be . . . something.Then it turns out that memory manufacturers are the ones orchestrating the thefts
marees
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If open AI's business model goes bust then they can pivot to making money of all the memory that they've hoarded
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As I understand it, they haven't hoarded memory, they've hoarded silicon wafers which they would then have to do something with in order to turn a profit. AFAIK OpenAI produces no hardware so they have no facilities to manufacture something with these wafers themselves. To pivot into hardware manufacture is a complete business change and they would be going from an emerging market into a well-established market with the only advantage being a limited amount of stock.
I don't pretend to have any experience of big business let alone experience of this sector of business, but IMO OpenAI's investment stinks. Whether it's boundless optimism that its product is not only going to remain as the market leader but that it's going to be an explosive success (in ways that are not borne out by any evidence, AFAIK all the signs point in the opposite direction), or that sinking that much money into silicon wafers which seems to be based on both that boundless optimism but also an extremely short-minded strategy of trying to trip up one's opponents (and screwing over every tech-needing organisation on the planet in the process).
I wonder whether OpenAI plans to sell up sooner rather than later, and is trying to make its short-term assets look as valuable as possible.
Golgatha
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Micron (Crucial) announced they are existing the consumer business to focus on AI.
Yep, that's me, I just bought 64Gb for $700 (Cdn$), almost everything else available is 900+, even 32GB is rarely <500.
I asked if it came with vaseline - if they are gonna a**-rape me with the price, the least they could do is include some complimentary vaseline
That said, it wasn't just mem upgrade for me, I'm building a new PC from scratch, and for most other components prices are better than 3-5 monnths ago, and I've been following prices closely since spring.
So overall I'm still worse, but maybe 50-100 worse than if I had bought in August. I'm only missing GPU, and if I can get a good deal on it, I'll be at break-even.
Thouugh paying this much for RAM still pi**es me off, I was planning to put 96GB, but it's all >$1500, and $1700+ for CL30 or better.
Maybe if I made a $10B order for memory chips, I could get a better price on DDR5?
As I understand it, I don't actually need to have cash on hands.
Makaveli
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I did my AM5 upgrade in like March/April so at the time 64GB was $300 CAD and I was thinking of going to 96GB but said I didn't want to spend $700.Yep, that's me, I just bought 64Gb for $700 (Cdn$), almost everything else available is 900+, even 32GB is rarely <500.
I asked if it came with vaseline - if they are gonna a**-rape me with the price, the least they could do is include some complimentary vaseline
That said, it wasn't just mem upgrade for me, I'm building a new PC from scratch, and for most other components prices are better than 3-5 monnths ago, and I've been following prices closely since spring.
So overall I'm still worse, but maybe 50-100 worse than if I had bought in August. I'm only missing GPU, and if I can get a good deal on it, I'll be at break-even.
Thouugh paying this much for RAM still pi**es me off, I was planning to put 96GB, but it's all >$1500, and $1700+ for CL30 or better.
Now I wish I did buy it because that kit is now $1500+ and my kit is $935. They are saying things won't get back to normal until 2028.
Thunder 57
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Maybe Intel can make some good money becoming a memory sompany again!
Yes that is sarcasam, As I understand it making DRAM is totally different.
Yes that is sarcasam, As I understand it making DRAM is totally different.
It's getting so bad that Samsung refuses to sell to Samsung
www.pcworld.com
RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
Due to rising prices from the "AI" bubble, Samsung Semiconductor reportedly refused a RAM order for new Galaxy phones from Samsung Electronics.
www.pcworld.com
This is bad... that means that even Apple would be royally screwed tooIt's getting so bad that Samsung refuses to sell to Samsung
RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
Due to rising prices from the "AI" bubble, Samsung Semiconductor reportedly refused a RAM order for new Galaxy phones from Samsung Electronics.
Next year phones would be hella expensive if they are selling at all.
Artorias
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How have we reached this stage? At this rate the consumer DIY desktop is going to extinct within a decade.
GPU's have become unaffordable, memory becoming a premium luxury commodity, SSD/storage may become expensive again. Chip fabricators cant keep up with demand.
AI, crypto, and every first world military power continue to increase demands. Crazy times.
GPU's have become unaffordable, memory becoming a premium luxury commodity, SSD/storage may become expensive again. Chip fabricators cant keep up with demand.
AI, crypto, and every first world military power continue to increase demands. Crazy times.
Well, China will avoid that, at least outside USA. The madness from the US might end in a hard way if the IA don't be the thing they are looking for.
But yeah, Post PC era is pretty sure thing to happen
fastandfurious6
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1) no real rules / "free market"
2) no brakes / no real enforcement
3) chain market reactions of abandoning ethics
4) "stargate" project = "faith" given to ruthless capitalists pouring billions to the rush for AGI
"AGI" = total world domination
Thunder 57
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Sounds terrible. That may be the overall trend but I don't see PC's going away just yet.
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Honestly I am fine with the phone I have now, I would rather buy PC related stuff xD Phone companies have really dropped the ball recently IMO, with few options for SDcards.
Yeah and now with the current high tier processors which overheats a lot... heck, the only decent options are the Dimensity 8XXX series, the Exynos 2400e and the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 if you want something stable. And Apple themselves are decent too.
China and vintage people won't allow it. The first for control (ironically) and the second.. well, we are vintage people.
DrMrLordX
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Lack of competition in the fab space. There should be market actors able to jump in and take up the slack in DRAM and NAND production that are maybe on older nodes that can't realistically compete in the AI-focused market, but there aren't any.
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How do these AI farms expect us to use there AI if we can't build computers or afford to buy phones / tablets / laptops if they cause RAM to be so expensive?
DrMrLordX
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