Is the civil war already here?

[Moonbeam]

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Seems like it is. But just because you think you can see what others won’t see doesn’t mean you have any hope of making them see it and act. So what then? There is a joke I’ve heard from Polish sources regarding what to do in case of Nuclear Attack, and with which I hope to lift the forum’s spirits: “Grab a white sheet, throw it over your head and crawl to the cemetery”.

 

[trenchfoot]

Yes it is seeing as if the Repubs already have their very own president and supreme court.

 

[crashtech]

The answer lies in all of us, the question being whether or not you can tolerate coexistence with people whose beliefs you find terrible. If not, then, for you the civil war has begun.

 

[woolfe9998]

The article's observations about the political right are too obvious for this forum. But I would highlight the below passage about the left.

In a nutshell: it says the establishment left has too much faith in institutions, and the woke left is too divisive. It is correct on both counts.

At this supreme moment of crisis, the left has divided into warring factions completely incapable of confronting the seriousness of the moment. There are liberals who retain an unjustifiable faith that their institutions can save them when it is utterly clear that they cannot. Then there are the woke, educational and political elites dedicated to a discourse of willed impotence. Any institution founded by the woke simply eats itself – see TimesUp, the Women’s March, etc – becoming irrelevant to any but a diminishing cadre of insiders who spend most of their time figuring out how to shred whoever’s left. They render themselves powerless faster than their enemies can.

What the American left needs now is allegiance, not allyship. It must abandon any imagined fantasies about the sanctity of governmental institutions that long ago gave up any claim to legitimacy. Stack the supreme court, end the filibuster, make Washington DC a state, and let the dogs howl, and now, before it is too late. The moment the right takes control of institutions, they will use them to overthrow democracy in its most basic forms; they are already rushing to dissolve whatever norms stand in the way of their full empowerment.

 

[MrSquished]

The article's observations about the political right are too obvious for this forum. But I would highlight the below passage about the left.

In a nutshell: it says the establishment left has too much faith in institutions, and the woke left is too divisive. It is correct on both counts.

It's definitely spot on.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans are making the Founding Fathers seem like complete morons. Connecticut Compromise is looking like a national suicide pact. Left should drop gun control and think things over.

 

[gothuevos]

It feels too late for anything to make a difference, minus the Vulcans showing up and showing us the error of our ways.

The author brought up a really good point - things do seem to be escalating almost daily.

I want to know why conservatives are so mad all the time? They control the SCOTUS, many other lower courts, abortion is going away, guns are as easy as ever to obtain, taxes are relatively lower than in years past, Christianity is still the dominant religion by far.

So what's the problem? Was it because Obama was (half) black? Masks? Vaccines? Really, we're on the verge of throwing it all away because of that?

It's all so utterly sad, moronic yet hysterical at the same time.

 

[MrSquished]

The problem with the article is they think that there is still a chance to fix the country with the current stacked and corrupt institutions. The Democrats have one year to make DC a state, attach the court, add more representatives to the house. There can't even get a bill passed to make insulin cheaper.

There isn't a shot in hell to fix the country with the institutions as they are now.

The best shot is to attempt a peaceful negotiated split. At least we can say we tried to save decency in a peaceful way.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have written Biden to inform him he is a fool and I'm not sending another dime till Garland is fired and Some Republican Senators and Congressmen are in jail. There is more intelligence in this thread than I see in congress.

 

[theeedude]

The problem with the article is they think that there is still a chance to fix the country with the current stacked and corrupt institutions. The Democrats have one year to make DC a state, attach the court, add more representatives to the house. There can't even get a bill passed to make insulin cheaper.

There isn't a shot in hell to fix the country with the institutions as they are now.

The best shot is to attempt a peaceful negotiated split. At least we can say we tried to save decency in a peaceful way.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

 

[MrSquished]

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Agreed. I would urge all Democrats to get armed and then propose a split of the country. Fast.

 

[HomerJS]

It feels too late for anything to make a difference, minus the Vulcans showing up and showing us the error of our ways.

The author brought up a really good point - things do seem to be escalating almost daily.

I want to know why conservatives are so mad all the time? They control the SCOTUS, many other lower courts, abortion is going away, guns are as easy as ever to obtain, taxes are relatively lower than in years past, Christianity is still the dominant religion by far.

So what's the problem? Was it because Obama was (half) black? Masks? Vaccines? Really, we're on the verge of throwing it all away because of that?

It's all so utterly sad, moronic yet hysterical at the same time.

Yes that and they hate whites will be a minority in the next 20-50 years. They believe in the so called "white replacement theory" that the demographic shift is being orchestrated.

Ask yourself why all the Republican boogeymen in the last 20 years have ties to people of color.

Muslim terrorists
The Squad
CRT
Sharia Law
The border (only the brown part)
BLM
Voter fraud (only big cities)

 

[ivwshane]

The answer lies in all of us, the question being whether or not you can tolerate coexistence with people whose beliefs you find terrible. If not, then, for you the civil war has begun.

Does a difference in what reality one believes in count?

 

[ivwshane]

I have written Biden to inform him he is a fool and I'm not sending another dime till Garland is fired and Some Republican Senators and Congressmen are in jail. There is more intelligence in this thread than I see in congress.

That’s a really low bar though.

 

[theeedude]

Agreed. I would urge all Democrats to get armed and then propose a split of the country. Fast.

Absolutely, if urban Democrats were armed, it would put a swift end to all Republican pipe dreams of controlling the governed without their consent. You can't control anything without control of centers of political and economic power. This is why every dictatorship is especially strict about arms in major cities and capitals.

 

[Jaskalas]

The moment the right takes control of institutions, they will use them to overthrow democracy in its most basic forms

Sounds like 2023 to me. I mean, I wish it wasn't... but....

 

[Moonbeam]

That’s a really low bar though.

Yes, but I am only one person and I did mention I am on a liberal forum full of people having trouble containing their hatred. I guess for me low bar was better than nothing at all.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It feels too late for anything to make a difference, minus the Vulcans showing up and showing us the error of our ways.

The author brought up a really good point - things do seem to be escalating almost daily.

I want to know why conservatives are so mad all the time? They control the SCOTUS, many other lower courts, abortion is going away, guns are as easy as ever to obtain, taxes are relatively lower than in years past, Christianity is still the dominant religion by far.

So what's the problem? Was it because Obama was (half) black? Masks? Vaccines? Really, we're on the verge of throwing it all away because of that?

It's all so utterly sad, moronic yet hysterical at the same time.

Like most people, their lives aren't what they expected it to be. Unlike most people, they've chosen to lay the blame on whatever and whomever the talking heads on fox news have told them is at fault. This isn't a new concept mind you, it's been leveraged by charismatic leaders for as long as humans have had charisma.

The fix? Get the charismatic guy to stop talking so much, educate those willing to be educated, and (unfortunately) likely have to subdue those who aren't. There may be a more elegant solution for that last one but we haven't traditionally seen it afaik.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Like most people, their lives aren't what they expected it to be. Unlike most people, they've chosen to lay the blame on whatever and whomever the talking heads on fox news have told them is at fault. This isn't a new concept mind you, it's been leveraged by charismatic leaders for as long as humans have had charisma.

The fix? Get the charismatic guy to stop talking so much, educate those willing to be educated, and (unfortunately) likely have to subdue those who aren't. There may be a more elegant solution for that last one but we haven't traditionally seen it afaik.

Been watching the WW2 documentary on Netflix, and also how to be a Tyrant, it's scary how similar some of this stuff is now.

 

[Shmee]

I am thinking that we need to face an exterior threat, that will help bring us together as a nation. Like in WW2, fighting a great threat overseas. Or during the cold war. This new threat is likely to be China, or possibly Russia. Heck, they already are threats.

As bad as diplomatic issues or even war can be, with a foreign power it can help unify us as a nation.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I am thinking that we need to face an exterior threat, that will help bring us together as a nation. Like in WW2, fighting a great threat overseas. Or during the cold war. This new threat is likely to be China, or possibly Russia. Heck, they already are threats.

As bad as diplomatic issues or even war can be, with a foreign power it can help unify us as a nation.

The Right doesn't see Russia as a threat.

 

[sandorski]

It feels too late for anything to make a difference, minus the Vulcans showing up and showing us the error of our ways.

The author brought up a really good point - things do seem to be escalating almost daily.

I want to know why conservatives are so mad all the time? They control the SCOTUS, many other lower courts, abortion is going away, guns are as easy as ever to obtain, taxes are relatively lower than in years past, Christianity is still the dominant religion by far.

So what's the problem? Was it because Obama was (half) black? Masks? Vaccines? Really, we're on the verge of throwing it all away because of that?

It's all so utterly sad, moronic yet hysterical at the same time.

Propaganda.

 

[dank69]

The article's observations about the political right are too obvious for this forum. But I would highlight the below passage about the left.

In a nutshell: it says the establishment left has too much faith in institutions, and the woke left is too divisive. It is correct on both counts.

What a fucking surprise, the left is being criticized from both sides. The woke left is too divisive? No, motherfuckers, the right has been cultivating an us vs. them mentality for 40 fucking years so telling someone they've been misinformed is received as a personal attack.

 

[woolfe9998]

What a fucking surprise, the left is being criticized from both sides. The woke left is too divisive? No, motherfuckers, the right has been cultivating an us vs. them mentality for 40 fucking years so telling someone they've been misinformed is received as a personal attack.

I know what the problems are on the right.

Sorry, but the left is completely impotent right now, and there's no point in pretending otherwise.

 

[dank69]

I know what the problems are on the right.

Sorry, but the left is completely impotent right now, and there's no point in pretending otherwise.

The left has always been impotent. The left has not been given actual power by the voters.