Is the ability to throw a 90mph fastball something a person is born with?

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Hayabusa Rider

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The ultimate factor is genetics. Everyone is born with a range of potential. Training/exercise/technique allow you to get to the upper end of that potential, however no one can ever be something they are not.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The ultimate factor is genetics. Everyone is born with a range of potential. Training/exercise/technique allow you to get to the upper end of that potential, however no one can ever be something they are not.
steroids :D
 

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Originally posted by: PoPPeR
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The ultimate factor is genetics. Everyone is born with a range of potential. Training/exercise/technique allow you to get to the upper end of that potential, however no one can ever be something they are not.
steroids :D

Hehe, even so, what you get out of steroids is genetically determined :p
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The ultimate factor is genetics. Everyone is born with a range of potential. Training/exercise/technique allow you to get to the upper end of that potential, however no one can ever be something they are not.
Yes, penis growth pills don't work.
 

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I played a lot of baseball as a kid in little league. I also played football up through high school. After going through junior high football, where I got my first start into weight lifting for football training, my ability to throw a baseball accurately went down the drain.

As a lineman and linebacker in football, I did a LOT of bench press training as the ability to control some fatass in front of you is critical. this built my chest and arms in a certain way, but this really really hurt my ability to throw. I ended up quitting baseball in high school to stick with varsity football
 
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Originally posted by: preslove
No, you aren't born with the ability, you have to break your arm first....

Yes, I saw a documentary about this...I believe it was called Rookie of the Year. :D

I would say it's a mix of genes and skill. You have to have proper mechanics to fulfill your potential and you can also 'fill out' as they call it when you add muscle mass to add a little bit to your fastball.
 

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I played baseball from an early age till I was about 19-20.

Being tall as a kid and eventually hitting 6'5 in height and being left handed I pitched my whole life. When I was around 17 I was throwing 86-88 for a good 5 inngings. When I got to about 19 I could basically throw 88 but for longer stretches of time and could top out at 90 for an innging or two.

Now if I hadve worked on my mechanics I could've thrown even harder. Most of the power from pitching comes from your legs not your arms.

You'd be surprised at how little the actual arm strength has to do with it.

Like golf a lot is to do with the explosion of your hips the push off the rubber, the speed in which u bring your glove hand down making u drive faster to the plate...

WIth proper mechanics a lot of people could throw mid 80's easily
 

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Originally posted by: zer0burn
I played baseball from an early age till I was about 19-20.

Being tall as a kid and eventually hitting 6'5 in height and being left handed I pitched my whole life. When I was around 17 I was throwing 86-88 for a good 5 inngings. When I got to about 19 I could basically throw 88 but for longer stretches of time and could top out at 90 for an innging or two.

Now if I hadve worked on my mechanics I could've thrown even harder. Most of the power from pitching comes from your legs not your arms.

You'd be surprised at how little the actual arm strength has to do with it.

Like golf a lot is to do with the explosion of your hips the push off the rubber, the speed in which u bring your glove hand down making u drive faster to the plate...

WIth proper mechanics a lot of people could throw mid 80's easily

Dude, if you're left handed and can throw a ball 90mph, you could've made the majors. Teams are DYING for lefties. They'd TEACH you how to pitch.
 

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90+ there is natural talent involved..... just as with any sport -- there are people who can do good... and people who can do great... good is hard work and dedication.... great - amazing = natural ability
 

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Dude, if you're left handed and can throw a ball 90mph, you could've made the majors. Teams are DYING for lefties. They'd TEACH you how to pitch.

Yep, pretty much true. Minimum MLB salary is what, $300,000 / year now? *drool*
 

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haha not as easy as u think I got offered junior college scholorships, but honestly playing in a lot of tournements there was a lot of better pitchers then myself.

Plus I said 90 mph only for like 1-2 innigngs lol.

Im from Canada and played a team from Michigan. Played aganist a kid that was 6'10 left handed and was throwing 92-94 mph for the whole game. He was 17 at the time, granted he was drafted in the 1st round of the draft, but honsetly a lot of 17-18 yr olds can throw high 80's
 

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Originally posted by: zer0burn
haha not as easy as u think I got offered junior college scholorships, but honestly playing in a lot of tournements there was a lot of better pitchers then myself.

Plus I said 90 mph only for like 1-2 innigngs lol.

Im from Canada and played a team from Michigan. Played aganist a kid that was 6'10 left handed and was throwing 92-94 mph for the whole game. He was 17 at the time, granted he was drafted in the 1st round of the draft, but honsetly a lot of 17-18 yr olds can throw high 80's

90 mph for a few innings is not bad when you're that young. With proper training, you'd develop much more consistancy. Other kids are better? So what? Why can't you both make it? Besides, most of those other kids are RIGHT handed.
 

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no I was good, good enough to get a partial scholorship but thats it. I played with a lot of different pitchers you need a lot more then speed to get drafted. Plus you guys would be surprised if you played as much as I did you could throw that fast.


Im happy with my choice im in my final yr of school going to write the CPA exam, well CA in Canada within 1.5 yrs
 

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Originally posted by: zer0burn
no I was good, good enough to get a partial scholorship but thats it. I played with a lot of different pitchers you need a lot more then speed to get drafted. Plus you guys would be surprised if you played as much as I did you could throw that fast.


Im happy with my choice im in my final yr of school going to write the CPA exam, well CA in Canada within 1.5 yrs

Hey, who am I to rip the choices you made for your own future? I wasn't doing that at all. Just thinking of what could have been. You're missing the point. Doesn't matter that other kids threw harder. You're LEFT-HANDED!
 
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Originally posted by: zer0burn
haha not as easy as u think I got offered junior college scholorships, but honestly playing in a lot of tournements there was a lot of better pitchers then myself.

Plus I said 90 mph only for like 1-2 innigngs lol.

Im from Canada and played a team from Michigan. Played aganist a kid that was 6'10 left handed and was throwing 92-94 mph for the whole game. He was 17 at the time, granted he was drafted in the 1st round of the draft, but honsetly a lot of 17-18 yr olds can throw high 80's

Who was that kid? Ryan Anderson is the only name that comes to mind.
 

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Agreed Rabid, Ryan Anderson is the only other kid that tall and lefty to go in the 1st round...

There are a lot of BS replies in this thread - the 6'5 left handed kid who could throw 90mph? You would have had major league, not college, scouts all over you assuming you played any kind of organized baseball. I'm not sure if you are just making stuff up, or if you are talking about the radar guns at the city fair.

"honestly a lot of 17-18 yr olds can throw in the high 80's" - no, actually, they can't. You will be lucky to find 4 kids in any HS conference that are throwing in the high 80's

The kids in the little league WS - remember that the pitchers mound in that isn't 60 feet 6 inches, its much closer. Not to take away anything from some of those kids who are truly talented players for their age, but you almost NEVER see pitchers from the LLWS make it to pro ball - I think there have been 25 players, but I can't think of any pitchers - kids throwing that much breaking stuff at that age have very little chance of keeping their arm healthy. I topped out at 85/86 my jr year - and that was after 3 straight years of year-round baseball training, which was about 3-4 mph faster than I went into college with.

I played NCAA baseball in Division III, where I lead my team in hitting and was a pitcher as well as a Freshman, then I played 2 years of Big Ten baseball, and played another 9 years after college, pitching each and every year. I can tell you that 90mph fastballs are just not very common, and unless you are highly unmotivated, you can at least get a shot in the minors if you have one - I don't want to hear any of this crap about "I could throw 85 when I was 16, but I stopped playing" - that is BS, your coaches and friends would have been all over you to keep playing, because, assuming you could put the ball over the plate, you would have been fairly dominant every time out.

Mechanics are important, but it's ridiculous to say that with proper mechanics "most people could throw in the 80's" - change that to the 60's and you would be much closer.

As to the question of the thread, I don't think it's genetics at all - I don't suppose we'll ever know the real answser to that, but I've seen people of all shapes and sizes throw hard, and I've seen the best built/developed non-baseball athletes struggle to throw the ball 50pmh or in a straight line.

I say it comes from throwing (from the time you are little), solid mechanics, and some level of physical strength - not just arm-strength - I'd say the genetics just might help some pitchers stay healthy while others don't, but I'm no Dr!
 

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Most of the kids that throw that hard, that young blow out their arms before they can do anything with it. These kids are throwing sliders and curveballs, and all sorts of weird pitches that ruin their arm if they're not thrown properly. At that age, proper technique is uber-important because the arm can't withstand the stress of throwing a slider or a curve.[/quote]


You are absolutely right. I'm 23 years old now, and when I was 13, I was throwing mid 70's. Never got a sore arm throwing curves, change ups, and fastballs. Then, I was doing to "right thing" by playing basketball in the off season to stay in shape. I was bench pressing my weight while conditioning for basketball and heard a pop in my right should (throwing arm) and that was the end of my baseball career. Basketball coach listened to me rotating my arm, knew it was my rotator cuff, and told me "don't lift anymore". It was only sore for a week or so, but after that, I would throw for 15 mins and my arm would get hot and swell up. It dropped my fastball to the mid 60's, ruined my curveball, and killed my control. The only way to keep these kids from hurting themselves is to let them fully develop before pushing them to be in the MLB. I wish my coach would have taken more time.
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