IS the 2500xp-mobile a worthy upgrade?

[Nyquest007]

From a P4 1.8a, ....would you consider this a leap in performance? I'm thinking the XP-M in the abit or asus ultra board. Or going with the 2.8c chip and abit board. I'm not sure if the extra money is worth it. I need help, will purchase parts of the weekend.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Considering you'll probably be able to hit 2.4ghz with the XP-M, I'd say it's a worthy upgrade.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

XP-m 2500 all the way

 

[Tango57]

it is worth it. i have a mobile 2600+ @ 2.4 ghz. i should've just gotten the mobile 2500+ though then again it was only a $7 difference in price. there is practically no performance difference between these 2 processors. they will both overclock well and perform just about the same.

 

[Dman877]

Go with a 2600+ mobile, seems to oc better on average then the 2500+ (well duh ) and yes, if you plan to oc a mobile barton at 2.4 ghz will stomp your p4 at 1.8. A 2.8 P4 can oc pretty well too and a P4 at 3.3+ will be faster in most things then a 2.4 barton, costs more too though.

 

[nvfx]

Well Thats ok going for the Mobile AMD, keep in mind that OC does hurt if done and forgotten, i only OC if i need to run 3D Mark 03 or DOOM III Demo, on stock AMD's, they are even worse than you think. When already Zalman and Thermaltake have made thier mark after breaking the 700 Grams HSF barrier. Consider upgrading to TT Heatsinks for < 35 $,

So a Mobile for 100 $ + 30 $ for cooling is quite affordable, even than OC wont be a resonalbe question, you wouldn't want to make your MS Word run 1 Nanoseconds Quicker would you.

Nor do the Thermal diodes show accurate Degree measurments, the actual Heat produced is quite enormous, Never try running a Processor w/o Heatsinks, it will burn down with in 5 Seconds Or may Hang up immediately.

So Why not spend some more on the 2.8C for better reliability and Blast proof INTEL Warranty.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: nvfx
Well Thats ok going for the Mobile AMD, keep in mind that OC does hurt if done and forgotten, i only OC if i need to run 3D Mark 03 or DOOM III Demo, on stock AMD's, they are even worse than you think. When already Zalman and Thermaltake have made thier mark after breaking the 700 Grams HSF barrier. Consider upgrading to TT Heatsinks for < 35 $,

So a Mobile for 100 $ + 30 $ for cooling is quite affordable, even than OC wont be a resonalbe question, you wouldn't want to make your MS Word run 1 Nanoseconds Quicker would you.

Nor do the Thermal diodes show accurate Degree measurments, the actual Heat produced is quite enormous, Never try running a Processor w/o Heatsinks, it will burn down with in 5 Seconds Or may Hang up immediately.

So Why not spend some more on the 2.8C for better reliability and Blast proof INTEL Warranty.

If you're against overclocking, you're hanging out in the wrong forum, bub.

 

[Renob]

Got a mobile 2600 yesterday and running it a 12x200 no problem,

Now I just need to update the bios and tweak it then update all my drivers.


Well Thats ok going for the Mobile AMD, keep in mind that OC does hurt if done and forgotten

WTH are talking about I have never had a cpu die on me from OCing , I just got rid of a cpu that was running at a 800mhz overclock for 2 years and never had a problem.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: nvfx
Well Thats ok going for the Mobile AMD, keep in mind that OC does hurt if done and forgotten, i only OC if i need to run 3D Mark 03 or DOOM III Demo, on stock AMD's, they are even worse than you think. When already Zalman and Thermaltake have made thier mark after breaking the 700 Grams HSF barrier. Consider upgrading to TT Heatsinks for < 35 $,

So a Mobile for 100 $ + 30 $ for cooling is quite affordable, even than OC wont be a resonalbe question, you wouldn't want to make your MS Word run 1 Nanoseconds Quicker would you.

Nor do the Thermal diodes show accurate Degree measurments, the actual Heat produced is quite enormous, Never try running a Processor w/o Heatsinks, it will burn down with in 5 Seconds Or may Hang up immediately.

So Why not spend some more on the 2.8C for better reliability and Blast proof INTEL Warranty.

So much wrong with this post....but I see you're too blind so I'll just let you continue to pay more for less.

Anyway, I'll just address the OCing bit. It don't matter how much you overclock and it deosnt "Hurt" anything. Voltage is what matters, voltage hurts. If you can get a PIV 2.4C to 3.5 at default Vcore it will last at 3.5 just as long as running it at 2.4. Similarly with the mobiles, if someone can OC to 2.5 in stock barton voltage (which many do) it will last just as long as a desktop "3200+" barton runing at 2.2.

 

[Fricardo]

1. It would definitely be a worthy upgrade.
2. The XP-M is a far better value.
3. If you want some extra performance, buy the 2600+

2¢

 

[Soulkeeper]

if your 1.8a can't overclock past 2.8ghz or more then go for it !!

hehehe

 

[TotalImmortal]

Go for the mobile barton, Many ppl are getting these to 2500MHz on standard barton voltages and they run cool too. The mobiles are simply the hand picked best silicon that can run at lower voltages. I have seen ppl get theses chips past 3GHz on phase change cooling. The performance diff, even at defult speed from your 1.8A will be enourmous and if you can OC it nicly it will blow all intels current chips out of the water.

 

[TotalImmortal]

ps: Go as high with the FSB as you can b4 you resort to the multyplyers as one of the most limiting factors on current high end bartons is the FSB and therefore reduced mem bandwidth.
Also, i edited this post from an acidental doubble post, if somone can tell me how to delete my accidental postos on this forum i would be gr8full.

 

[Nyquest007]

So with the 2600xp moblie, what board should I get. I'm looking at the asus A7N8Xnon deluxe, or the abit nf7. I'm not sure if the -s version is that different than the plain jane nf7. But I would like to use the 25$ difference on the h/s fan combo. Any suggestions? And yes I will be OC as high and stable as it will go.

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: Nyquest007
So with the 2600xp moblie, what board should I get. I'm looking at the asus A7N8Xnon deluxe, or the abit nf7. I'm not sure if the -s version is that different than the plain jane nf7. But I would like to use the 25$ difference on the h/s fan combo. Any suggestions? And yes I will be OC as high and stable as it will go.

if you're overclocking alot, go with the nf7/nf7-s.

 

[hytek369]

Originally posted by: Fricardo
1. It would definitely be a worthy upgrade.
2. The XP-M is a far better value.
3. If you want some extra performance, buy the 2600+

2¢

good advice

 

[ColossusX]

Originally posted by: drewdogg808

Originally posted by: Nyquest007
So with the 2600xp moblie, what board should I get. I'm looking at the asus A7N8Xnon deluxe, or the abit nf7. I'm not sure if the -s version is that different than the plain jane nf7. But I would like to use the 25$ difference on the h/s fan combo. Any suggestions? And yes I will be OC as high and stable as it will go.

if you're overclocking alot, go with the nf7/nf7-s.

I have the NF7-S v2 with a mobile 2500+. Sure I got it to go straight to 12*200@1.6volts, but the NF7-S has memory issues if you use 512mb sticks, like I do, and want to push your FSB higher than 200. The temps are under 40C with a SLK-900U w/ 92mm fan. Stable as can be and I know it can go higher, just dont want to over volt too much.

 

[9ball]

Originally posted by: Nyquest007
From a P4 1.8a, ....would you consider this a leap in performance? I'm thinking the XP-M in the abit or asus ultra board. Or going with the 2.8c chip and abit board. I'm not sure if the extra money is worth it. I need help, will purchase parts of the weekend.

well, I will have to go against everyone here. at stock speed; 2400xp is faster than 1.8a, but I wouldn't call it a leap in performance. And if you compare them both overclocked; AMD 2.4 Ghz is still faster than P4 2.4 Ghz, but once again its not a leap in performance. Noticeable gain in performance would be a more apporipate term.

Then the question really is how much are you willing to pay for an additional 20% performance gain. And also is the 1.8a (2.4 Ghz P4) really too slow for what you do right now.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: nvfx
Well Thats ok going for the Mobile AMD, keep in mind that OC does hurt if done and forgotten, i only OC if i need to run 3D Mark 03 or DOOM III Demo, on stock AMD's, they are even worse than you think. When already Zalman and Thermaltake have made thier mark after breaking the 700 Grams HSF barrier. Consider upgrading to TT Heatsinks for < 35 $,

So a Mobile for 100 $ + 30 $ for cooling is quite affordable, even than OC wont be a resonalbe question, you wouldn't want to make your MS Word run 1 Nanoseconds Quicker would you.

Nor do the Thermal diodes show accurate Degree measurments, the actual Heat produced is quite enormous, Never try running a Processor w/o Heatsinks, it will burn down with in 5 Seconds Or may Hang up immediately.

So Why not spend some more on the 2.8C for better reliability and Blast proof INTEL Warranty.

Intel FanBOy??? You're also an NVidia Fan boy too right??

 

[nvfx]

Ever Heard of BURN-IN Period!!! REad some technical Facts about this period, REMEMBER any thing, absolutely anything used in this world excessivly or abused will harm you than to aid you. If you are a frequent Updater to your PC, than you will be happy to OC even if you Had a P4 Extreme Edition despite knowing the fact that its fast. Its not JUST overclocking which make a CPU Stand out of the rest, whats matter most is the Sheer Pace at its default speeds.

So answer me this, Why do People buy INTEL P4's when they know AMD M Proc can beat them and are priced much lower, more over Niether AMD Nor INTEL provides Outstanding Heatsinks to help you Maximum OC.

So if any one is running OC AMD permanentely for 2 years, what sort of benefit you get. Loading your windows a few seconds quicker or Powerpoint some Nanoseconds quicker, Nor do you run 3D MArk every day, or Play Far Cry for every time.

Take it this way, Zalman as we all know Make one of the best HSF's for OC, yet they never ever recommend you to OC.

These are my views, i can OC my 1.5 P4 to 2.0 Ghz w/o V Mod, but i get a differenec of about 8 Deg under Load, so i dont OC because its useless.

And to add more, if some one offers you to buy a 2nd Hand or Used AMD M Proc, your mind will immediately react and say NO!, thinking that the Proc might be OCed or something Like That.

I am a neutral Party, No special for Intel, by the way you cant argue Intel is the Largest Chip Manu. Can you ??

 

[nvfx]

And by the Way, i just forgot, Can you replace a OC Burnt Proc, NO WAY IN HELL, or if the reseller is very generous.

Every one Knows, OC automatically Voids Warranty , Whether its CPU or AGP.

So if Any one saying Bad things on my Post would like to comment on the above line.

Can any one replace me Proc as its still under warranty, any one can do that ??? NO you Cant.

hehehe

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: nvfx
And by the Way, i just forgot, Can you replace a OC Burnt Proc, NO WAY IN HELL, or if the reseller is very generous.

Every one Knows, OC automatically Voids Warranty , Whether its CPU or AGP.

So if Any one saying Bad things on my Post would like to comment on the above line.

Can any one replace me Proc as its still under warranty, any one can do that ??? NO you Cant.

hehehe

Please learn to speak English before you try to debate in English. And no, Zalman does not make the best overclocking heatsinks, Thermalright does. That's why you see us telling someone who says he wants to get a maximum overclock out of his processor to buy a Thermalright, not a Zalman.

 

[4x4expy]

Originally posted by: nvfx
Ever Heard of BURN-IN Period!!! REad some technical Facts about this period, REMEMBER any thing, absolutely anything used in this world excessivly or abused will harm you than to aid you. If you are a frequent Updater to your PC, than you will be happy to OC even if you Had a P4 Extreme Edition despite knowing the fact that its fast. Its not JUST overclocking which make a CPU Stand out of the rest, whats matter most is the Sheer Pace at its default speeds.

So answer me this, Why do People buy INTEL P4's when they know AMD M Proc can beat them and are priced much lower, more over Niether AMD Nor INTEL provides Outstanding Heatsinks to help you Maximum OC.

So if any one is running OC AMD permanentely for 2 years, what sort of benefit you get. Loading your windows a few seconds quicker or Powerpoint some Nanoseconds quicker, Nor do you run 3D MArk every day, or Play Far Cry for every time.

Take it this way, Zalman as we all know Make one of the best HSF's for OC, yet they never ever recommend you to OC.

These are my views, i can OC my 1.5 P4 to 2.0 Ghz w/o V Mod, but i get a differenec of about 8 Deg under Load, so i dont OC because its useless.

And to add more, if some one offers you to buy a 2nd Hand or Used AMD M Proc, your mind will immediately react and say NO!, thinking that the Proc might be OCed or something Like That.

I am a neutral Party, No special for Intel, by the way you cant argue Intel is the Largest Chip Manu. Can you ??

Again, I think you are on the wrong forum. I have been running my Tbred B 1700+ at 12x200 for almost a year without a single problem. My temps only go above 40c under load for long periods of time. My rig is air cooled and near silent and I DO play games nearly daily, mostly now am playing Call of Duty and Battlefield Vietnam, waiting for Hitman: Contracts. There are right and wrong ways to treat your hardware, and if done right your CAN overclock and forget about it instead of paying $$$$ more.

 

[BD231]

You're a dumbass nvfx, stop posting in this thread as your idiocy makes anyone with half a clue ask themselves WHAT THE F*CK IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT????.

Go be a sucker for pampering your CPU elsewhere.

Nyquest007. 2600+ all the way man, just don't overvolt past 1.65v (normal barton voltage). I only say this because beyond that these processors become a pain in the ass to cool, and high temps are not desireable.

I have mine running at 4.75v at 2200mhz, 44c max load temp in summer heat, it's awesome!!

 

[Nyquest007]

To answer 9ball, my setup really isn't that slow right now. Issues with the mobo prevent me from OC past 133fsb and I can only get that if I use only one stick of memory. If I use two only stock speeds will do. But I do notice a speed boost in fram rates when I'm OC'ing the CPU. I just not sure what direction to go. I've seen all these reviews on the CPU upgrade vs. GPU upgrade. Seems like my GPU still has legs paired with the right CPU/mobo combo. With new GPU's coming out real soon I'm hesitant to pickup anything right now. The only thing even remotely sure for me would be a cpu mobo purchase. Like I said It's either the 2600xp-m nfs combo or the 2.8C with a nice 865pe chipset(hear the dfi lanParty Pro is nice) $$$$. Just waiting for the price to drop on the 9800pro below 200$. Still confused.