Is TCP/IP safe for home networking?

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Johnbear007

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I have just recently upgraded 3 of my systems to XP, and I am using a US robotics router with NAT

My question is, can I use TCP/IP for my file and print sharing? I tried using NETbeui and it just gave me fits, I couldnt get all of the systems to see each other at the same time, etc. It's all very seamless using tcp/ip but is this dangerous?

Thanks so much!
 
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hoihtah

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Originally posted by: JOSEPHLB
nope.. not dangerous at all..

will actually be easier.. and more secure
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i'm not sure if i agree with you on a point you made.

netbeui is more difficult than tcp/ip?
what's your logic on this?

not that i'm a proponent of netbeui,
but i just wanted to get some facts out.

netbeui is actually faster than tcp/ip.
not that the difference is big enough to put a smile on anyone's face.
the drawback of netbeui is that it's not routable. but besides that it's meant to be a much less complicated in comparison to tcp/ip.
 
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Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: hoihtah
Originally posted by: JOSEPHLB
nope.. not dangerous at all..

will actually be easier.. and more secure
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i'm not sure if i agree with you on a point you made.

netbeui is more difficult than tcp/ip?
what's your logic on this?

not that i'm a proponent of netbeui,
but i just wanted to get some facts out.

netbeui is actually faster than tcp/ip.
not that the difference is big enough to put a smile on anyone's face.
the drawback of netbeui is that it's not routable. but besides that it's meant to be a much less complicated in comparison to tcp/ip.
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all I know is that when I have netbeui enabled, nothing works right, but when tcp ip is the only protocol, it all works fine.

 
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I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.
 
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Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.
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thats exactly how I had it set up, however sometimes the systems would see each other, sometimes they would not. It was almost random
 
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JOSEPHLB

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I meant TCP/IP to be easier in a sense.. sense NetBeui/NetBios is non-routable.. if you want to access the internet.. you are going to have to install TCP/IP anyway.. so , why bother with fighting with Netbeui..
 
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Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.
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how can you configure windows 2k in a similar fashion?

 
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Muse

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Originally posted by: FoolishMcNasty
Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.
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how can you configure windows 2k in a similar fashion?
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I have a Win2000 peer to peer and tried both NetBEUI and TCP/IP for file and printer sharing for MS Networks. Both worked, but contrary to what people were saying I found the TCP/IP to be faster by around 15%, so I've stuck with it. If the NetBEUI was 25% faster like I was told, I would have stuck with it as long as I didn't see issues I couldn't live with. I suppose I'm not as secure, like they say.
 
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Poontos

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q]Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.[/quote]
This topic has been discussed many times in this forum, one that both JackMDS and I have responded to numerous times. JackMDS has summarized the facts about NetBEUI.
With regards to instructions on how to configure this on Windows 2000: Install NetBEUI on PC's you wish to communicate with. Unbind TCP/IP from File and Printer Sharing & Client For Microsoft Networks (Network Connections - Advanced -- In there).

Security works in layers here folks, so each "little" thing that someone says is "not necessary" is another layer of protection flushed down the drain. TCP/IP is obviously routable and can and will be broadcasted out of your local network, specifically LAN traffic which should not be routed out onto the Internet, and this is why NetBEUI is recommend.

Speed wise, I doubt you will notice a significant difference between NetBEUI and TCP/IP for MSCFMN & MSF&PS LAN traffic either way, especially since there are many other factors that corrupt the results of your "tests".
 
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Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: Poontos
q]Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not want to overload you.

But NetBEUI is faster, and safer for your LAN.

It is safer because it is not Routable, so your file can not be kidnapped by an Intrenet intruder.

However there is no ?On? or ?Off? NetBEUI.

You need to use TCP/IP for the Internet, and unbind it from file, and printer sharing.

NetBEUI has to be bound to File, and Printer sharing.

Like this: WinXP Advance Network.
Click to expand...
This topic has been discussed many times in this forum, one that both JackMDS and I have responded to numerous times. JackMDS has summarized the facts about NetBEUI.
With regards to instructions on how to configure this on Windows 2000: Install NetBEUI on PC's you wish to communicate with. Unbind TCP/IP from File and Printer Sharing & Client For Microsoft Networks (Network Connections - Advanced -- In there).

Security works in layers here folks, so each "little" thing that someone says is "not necessary" is another layer of protection flushed down the drain. TCP/IP is obviously routable and can and will be broadcasted out of your local network, specifically LAN traffic which should not be routed out onto the Internet, and this is why NetBEUI is recommend.

Speed wise, I doubt you will notice a significant difference between NetBEUI and TCP/IP for MSCFMN & MSF&PS LAN traffic either way, especially since there are many other factors that corrupt the results of your "tests".[/quote]



out of curiosity, where does ipx/spx fit in?
 
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Oaf357

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
It's what I use. But I avoid NetBIOS like the plague.
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You avoid NetBEUI, NetBIOS is a totally different thing.
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I know this. What do you think I am?

They're both evil as far as I'm concerned. If it's not a protocol included in the standards of TCP/IP, I don't use it.
 
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spidey07

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don't make the 600 pound technical gorilla that is Spidey come down and show the similarities/differences between netbeui and netbios.

:)
 
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Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: spidey07
don't make the 600 pound technical gorilla that is Spidey come down and show the similarities/differences between netbeui and netbios.

:)
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DO IT


Seriously now... this thread has really confused me
 
Nothinman

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I know this. What do you think I am?
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I have no idea who or what you are.

And why do you avoid NetBEUI?
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I don't use it because I only have 1 Windows box (my laptop), I meant 'you' as in Oaf357.

don't make the 600 pound technical gorilla that is Spidey come down and show the similarities/differences between netbeui and netbios.
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Wow, I never pictured you as being that big of a guy =)
 
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