is t-mobile going bye bye?

kermalou

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Rumor has it T-Mobile and their parent company Deutche Telecom are getting desperate as their combined red ink spirals toward the $100 billion mark. Word is, after letting all contractors go, T-Mobile COO announced to all employees that they were to stop talking about the company at stores, coffee shops, etc. because the public may get the wrong idea of what's going on. Apparently any employees caught breaking the rule will be fired.
 

Jzero

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Nah. It's just that it's coming time for their quarterly "Rename the company and hire a new celebrity spokesmodel" process.
 

SherEPunjab

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T-mobile is in the red?


damn i'm VERY surprised.

I think they are a solid company, and offer great service, and awesome plans. If anyone, I would think SprintPCS is in the sh*tter, with Nextel.
 

Spac3d

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I don't beleive it. Tmobile is one of the only company that has a consistently growing customer base when other companies are losing customers. I won't beleive it till I see it.

Happy Tmobile Customer

Spac3d
 

Aceshigh

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I really hope not. I am very happy with their service since I switched from Sprint a few months ago. They offer some great rates.

Also I am in love with Catherine Zeta Jones, and the more opportunities to see her the better.
 

FoBoT

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hmm, they have been having trouble for a long time
the name change didn't help

i heard a while back the german parent company would sell the US unit, but there are no buyers
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oh well, my wife's mobile phone is with T-mobile, guess i will have to do some shopping if they bite the dust
 

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I'm not surprised. T-Mobile/Voicestream went throughout the U.S. buying up carriers to gain their territory and towers prior to the dotcom bust (I worked for a company that developed and sold billing systems for cell phone carriers at the time). Not to mention the costs of migrating and upgrading their newly acquired systems and then upgrading again for the latest and greatest technology.

Hella expensive.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: kermalou
100 billions sure sounds like a lot of money

Why don't they just borrow a few billion from Don Johnson? I hear he's loaded...
 

EvilYoda

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Nooooooo! My family just signed a new plan with them.....bah. Only good thing that can come from this is if they just shut down the company, we get out of our contracts, and we can sell our phones which we got for really cheap, for more than we paid for...

aye, what a hassle. Can't happen too fast tho, so I guess either way I won't have worry any time soon.
 

DanTMWTMP

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I hate tmobile along w/ cingular...2 worse evar..because u knw why?....HORRIBLE..HORRIBLE RECEPTION......absolutely horrid.....and i'm stuck for 10 more months! ARG
 

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Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
I hate tmobile along w/ cingular...2 worse evar..because u knw why?....HORRIBLE..HORRIBLE RECEPTION......absolutely horrid.....and i'm stuck for 10 more months! ARG

I had the same problem for a while near my home in metro Atlanta. They then upgraded a tower nearby and I get perfect reception anywhere in my house.
 

RossMAN

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Catherine Zeta-Jones and her Welsh accent

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I hope they don't go under because then my cell phone number will change, I've been with T-Mobile (formerly VoiceStream) for 4 years now which in the cell phone world is an ETERNITY.
 

kermalou

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Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
I hate tmobile along w/ cingular...2 worse evar..because u knw why?....HORRIBLE..HORRIBLE RECEPTION......absolutely horrid.....and i'm stuck for 10 more months! ARG

tmobile just piggybacks on cingular.....so if cingular sucks then tmobile will suck even more
 

saltedeggman

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Originally posted by: kermalou
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
I hate tmobile along w/ cingular...2 worse evar..because u knw why?....HORRIBLE..HORRIBLE RECEPTION......absolutely horrid.....and i'm stuck for 10 more months! ARG

tmobile just piggybacks on cingular.....so if cingular sucks then tmobile will suck even more

its all colloquial, i heard that t-mobile uses cingular tower in cali...however thats not the case in else places
 

sean2002

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here you go


The New York Times, March 11, 2003

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

The New York Times

March 11, 2003, Tuesday, Late Edition - Final
SECTION: Section W; Page 1; Column 3; Business/Financial Desk

LENGTH: 785 words


Deutsche Telekom Posts Biggest Loss in Europe's History

BYLINE: By HUGH EAKIN

DATELINE: BERLIN, March 10

BODY:
Deutsche Telekom said today that it had lost 24.6 billion euros ($27.1 billion) in 2002, the biggest annual loss in European corporate history.
The company said it had also seen some hopeful signs in the fourth quarter, when revenue was up and its loss was much narrower than the year before, thanks to a strong performance by T-Mobile, its wireless unit. But analysts had been expecting even better results from T-Mobile, and disappointed investors bid down Deutsche Telekom's shares.



The main culprit in the immense annual loss was the sharply reduced value of investments the company made in the technology stock bubble of the late 1990's. Like Vivendi and France Telecom, which both posted losses last week in excess of 20 billion euros, Deutsche Telekom recognized the new market reality with enormous write-offs on those investments. All three companies changed chief executives last year.
"We are well aware of the scale of the figure," said Kai-Uwe Ricke, Deutsche Telekom's chief executive since November, in a statement that accompanied the 2002 financial results. "We are in no way trying to gloss over this."

The company recorded 14.5 billion euros ($16 billion) in revenue in the fourth quarter, a 9 percent increase from the comparable period a year earlier. Its net loss fell to 100 million euros ($111 million), from 2.5 billion euros ($2.8 billion) a year ago. The company managed to reduce its total debt by 3 billion euros ($3.3 billion), to 61.1 billion euros ($67.6 billion).

"All in all, the fourth-quarter trend is quite positive," said Ralf Hallmann, an analyst for Bankgesellschaft Berlin. "The net loss figures, though historic, are much the same as they were after the third quarter."

T-Mobile, which Mr. Ricke ran before ascending to the top post, is the company's growth engine. It is adding subscribers at a brisk pace in Britain and, especially, the United States, and its revenue rose 29.5 percent in the fourth quarter, to 5.2 billion euros ($5.7 billion).

Profits rose 31.9 percent in the quarter at the company's Internet service, T-Online, reaching 500 million euros ($553 million). The company's traditional cash cow, the T-Com fixed-line network business, managed a small increase in earnings.

Still, the company's heavy debt, much of it run up to pay sky-high prices for new-generation digital wireless licenses and other technology bubble investments, is weighing on the company's share price. Deutsche Telekom sank to 9.15 euros, or $10.07 a share, a drop of about 9 percent.

"We are working with a very high debt level, and that frightens investors a lot," said Boris Boehm, a fund manager for Nordinvest in Hamburg, which has 1.4 million shares of Telekom.

The company has been selling some peripheral assets in recent months to reduce debt, notably six cable TV networks that fetched 1.73 billion euros ($1.9 billion) and real estate worth 300 million euros ($331 million).

The company has also been talking with rivals about selling a star performer, the American unit of T-Mobile. Telekom bought the business, formerly called Voicestream, in 2001 for $40 billion. With a 42 percent gain in subscribers last year, it is the fastest-growing operator in the market. But it remains the smallest of the six national operators, and it is still losing money, though its operating results have been improving.

"T-Mobile USA could be a main source for this year's and next year's Ebitda," Mr. Hallmann said, referring to earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization costs are counted.

"If subscription increases are as positive this year as in 2002, they could even become No. 5," he said.

The company held talks with Cingular Wireless last year about a merger with T-Mobile USA, but called them off in November when the two sides could not agree on valuation. Deutsche Telekom said today that it would continue to invest about 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) in capital improvements to keep T-Mobile growing in the United States.

Deutsche Telekom did not offer any new forecast today for its results in 2003. But it promised shareholders that it would continue to reduce debt by cutting costs, improving cash flow and selling noncore assets and businesses. The chief financial officer, Karl-Gerhard Eick, said the company expected to sell about 2 billion euros' worth of real estate this year.

"The good signs are overlooked," Mr. Boehm said. "The company is on track to reducing its debt by another 12 billion euros this year. As rivals have died out, Telekom is in a sweet spot in the German market, and well positioned in new technologies. It could do well in a better economic environment."



 

arcain

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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
T-mobile is in the red?


damn i'm VERY surprised.

I think they are a solid company, and offer great service, and awesome plans. If anyone, I would think SprintPCS is in the sh*tter, with Nextel.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030220/telecoms_nextel_earns_4.html

Nextel made a profit the last quarter, and has made a profit for the last 3 quarters. Of the the carriers, Nextel also enjoys one of the highest average revenue per customer rate and one of the lowest customer turnover rates as well.

Sprint also made a profit the last quarter, but the PCS division lost money (though it performed much better compared to the same quarter the previous year).
 

Spikey289

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I think they will be around for a few more years or at least another year. Everyone I know has tmoble cause they had the best reception out of all the companies.
 

Originally posted by: arcain
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
T-mobile is in the red?


damn i'm VERY surprised.

I think they are a solid company, and offer great service, and awesome plans. If anyone, I would think SprintPCS is in the sh*tter, with Nextel.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030220/telecoms_nextel_earns_4.html

Nextel made a profit the last quarter, and has made a profit for the last 3 quarters. Of the the carriers, Nextel also enjoys one of the highest average revenue per customer rate and one of the lowest customer turnover rates as well.

Sprint also made a profit the last quarter, but the PCS division lost money (though it performed much better compared to the same quarter the previous year).
That might be because Nextel plans are so much higher-priced than others (though they are targetted at businesses) and their phones are quite pricey.