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Is Saint Joseph's run by a bunch a vengeful vindictive buttheads?

MotionMan

Lifer
I suppose there is some valid reason why a Jesuit university would want to punish one of it's graduates and former players (who averaged a whole 1 point a game last year) who wanted to get a graduate degree from another school and continue playing basketball.

However, I am not sure what that reason could be.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ks-grad-todd-obrien-takes-waiver-fight-public

Monday, December 19, 2011
Lawyer: Waiver OK'd if Hawks relent
By Andy Katz
ESPN.com

Former Saint Joseph's center and current University of Alabama-Birmingham graduate student and practice player Todd O'Brien wrote an open plea on SI.com on Monday, stating his case for a scholarship release the Hawks refuse to grant.

O'Brien detailed that he has graduated from Saint Joseph's and wanted to use the NCAA's waiver rule to pursue a graduate degree at another institution that offered a program not available at Saint Joe's. O'Brien said he found a degree program in public administration at UAB, arrived in Birmingham in August and has been practicing with the team since October.

But the Hawks wouldn't release him, a condition for the waiver to be granted.
O'Brien's attorney, Donald Jackson, told ESPN.com on Monday night that if Saint Joseph's would grant O'Brien's release then "it could be immediately reopened by the NCAA staff in the morning and he could be eligible in the afternoon. We've already had that conversation with the compliance department at UAB and at the NCAA level."

The waiver has been used for years in both men's basketball and football with only one notable, but brief opposition. Former Northern Illinois coach Ricardo Patton and the university declined to support a waiver for former center Sean Kowal, before ultimately changing course in August 2010.

In a statement responding to O'Brien's story on SI.com, the school said, "Saint Joseph's University followed all applicable NCAA procedures and applied consistent internal practices in declining to support the requested transfer exception. Upon appeal, the NCAA legislative relief wavier team (initial decision) and the Division I Subcommittee for Legislative Relief (final decision) each reviewed the case and did not grant the requested waiver.

"Institutional policy and federal student records law prohibit Saint Joseph's from releasing additional or confidential information in this matter. As all eligibility determinations rest with the NCAA and not its member institutions, Saint Joseph's University has no further comment and considers the matter closed."

Saint Joseph's coach Phil Martelli wouldn't respond to numerous attempts to contact him by ESPN.com and Saint Joseph's athletic director Don Dijulia declined comment.

Jackson said the five-person committee that heard the appeal for a waiver request had one of its members excuse himself for a potential conflict of interest. The person on the committee was from Conference USA, in which UAB is a member. Prior to the hearing O'Brien's camp requested a replacement for the excused panel member. However, in a Nov. 15 email to Jackson, the committee said they didn't have an alternate member.

The committee needed a majority vote in order to grant O'Brien's waiver, but a 2-2 vote on the appeal would uphold the initial decision. Jackson said he was never told the final vote total after the hearing was held on Nov. 18.
Jackson, who has challenged the NCAA on a number of cases in the past, told ESPN.com he talked with Martelli about O'Brien and was told by the coach that "Todd was the most disloyal player he has ever coached."

Jackson added, "(St. Joseph's) didn't see him in the future in the program."
UAB coach Mike Davis said he has never talked to Martelli about O'Brien. Davis said he didn't understand fighting the waiver since UAB and Saint Joseph's don't play each other, aren't in the same conference and O'Brien only has this final season of eligibility remaining after starting his career at Bucknell and ending at Saint Joe's.

O'Brien averaged just 1 point and 1.3 rebounds in 7.2 minutes per game last season for a Hawks team that finished 11-22 overall and 4-12 in the Atlantic 10. He was also benched for a game against Xavier and the Philadelphia Daily News reported he was "peripherally involved with a laptop (theft) situation."

Saint Joseph's (8-3) is having a renaissance season with wins over then-No. 17 Creighton and its first win over rival Villanova at Hawk Hill.
"Quite frankly, I don't know why they won't release him," Jackson said. "The only conclusion I can make is that here is a guy (Martelli) on the (men's basketball) ethics committee who wants to make a point. This is beyond ridiculous."

Davis said Monday night that O'Brien has been practicing with the team and that the 2-6 Blazers "need him."

"He makes us a good basketball team and has been really good in practice," Davis said. "He's graduated. He doesn't hurt their APR. He's a smart kid. Saint Joe's doesn't offer his program that we do here."


http://www.sju.edu/news/archives/smithson_si_statement_122011.html

SJU PRESIDENT RESPONDS TO SI.COM STORY
December 20, 2011

Many of you have seen or commented upon a first-person story appearing yesterday on the web site of Sports Illustrated magazine. The story was submitted by a former Saint Joseph’s University student-athlete whose request in mid-July 2011 for a waiver to play basketball at another institution during 2011-2012 was not supported by Saint Joseph’s.

I write to assure our students, faculty, staff, alumni and friends that Saint Joseph’s complied with all applicable NCAA procedures in this case. It is clearly not a part of the University’s mission to block any student from pursuing their academic or athletic goals. However, it is the University’s obligation to review all student-athlete waiver requests in a consistent manner and to evaluate the facts and circumstances of each request. It is worth noting that SJU has supported such requests a large majority of the time across its many varsity sports. If a request for a waiver is not granted and an appeal is taken to the NCAA, it is the national association, not individual member institutions, which makes the final determination on the eligibility of individual student-athletes.

Federal law and the University’s own student privacy guidelines necessarily limit what the University can make public in matters involving individual students. Such limitation applies to the current matter and the University is mindful of its obligation to all its students, including former ones, regarding their privacy.

What can be appropriately shared regarding this matter is that Saint Joseph’s did provide all relevant information to the NCAA Legislative Relief Waiver Team, which, as a matter of public record, made an initial decision not to grant the requested waiver. Upon further appeal by the student-athlete, the Division I Legislative Council Subcommittee for Legislative Relief concurred with the initial review and made its final decision to deny the appeal. As only the student-athlete and his new university were parties to the appeal, Saint Joseph’s will not make any public statements regarding the appeal and its outcome.

Finally, I would be remiss in not acknowledging the consistent dedication -- to all students and alumni of Saint Joseph’s University -- that is displayed every day by athletics director Don DiJulia and men’s basketball coach Phil Martelli. These are men who are respected across the nation for their actions and priorities. We also acknowledge the contributions while on Hawk Hill of the student-athlete in this case, and regret the differences of opinion that led to his dissatisfaction with Saint Joseph’s.

John Smithson ’68 MBA ‘82
Interim President
Saint Joseph’s University

MotionMan
 
i read that the other day. i couldn't believe someone could be so fucking immature. Also why aren't the NCAA stepping in to help th ekid?
 
If this actually gets pursued by major sports networks (SI, ESPN, etc.), this will get straightened out within a week. It makes everyone involved look like a complete ass, and the NCAA is usually pretty image-conscious.
 
I am lost.
O'Brien detailed that he has graduated from Saint Joseph's and wanted to use the NCAA's waiver rule to pursue a graduate degree at another institution that offered a program not available at Saint Joe's. O'Brien said he found a degree program in public administration at UAB, arrived in Birmingham in August and has been practicing with the team since October.

He had a scholarship for a sport.
The guy graduated from school.
1) Why is the scholarship still active - he graduated
2) He is going to grad school at a different university - when did the schools allow graduates to play on the undergrad teams
3) When did scholarships for undergrads get applied to grads for sports?

It reads more like he was recruited by the school; they found a program that he could work with that was not to stressful.

If the school wants him for academics; then grant him an academic scholarship.
It seems as if they do not want him for academics but for sports.

What happened to the sports scholarship from St Joe's?
 
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i read that the other day. i couldn't believe someone could be so fucking immature. Also why aren't the NCAA stepping in to help th ekid?

I think, technically, to date, everyone has followed the rules (St. Joe's sure seems to be pounding that).

Of course, to date, no one has done the right thing.

MotionMan
 
I am lost.

He had a scholarship for a sport.
The guy graduated from school.
1) Why is the scholarship still active - he graduated

This is one of the problems with the system. Scholarships are renewed on a year-by-year basis, but the player belongs to the school throughout his eligibility unless released (waiver). So, the schools (and coaches) can threaten players with losing their scholarship and can block them from playing elsewhere.

2) He is going to grad school - when did the schools allow graduates to play on the undergrad teams

3) When did scholarships for undergrads get applied to grads for sports?

Many graduates play in college. It is not that unusual.

If the school wants him for academics; then grant him an academic scholarship.

He cannot play for the new school without the waiver, regardless of the scholarship situation.

MotionMan
 
"peripherally involved with a laptop (theft) situation."

yeah, why would you want to keep someone like that at your school? Go let him be someone else's problem.
 
If a player committed to the school for money; then his word should be good. Like any type of contract. You agree to abide unless otherwise released by all other parties.

Why St J is not releasing him is the basis of the story. They should have some reason; but with him making a public fuss; why respond in kind.

I am sure the player was informed by St. Joe on officially why; he just does not like it. UAB also probably has a good idea on unofficially why.

Digging into this on the web has hints of other issues w/ respect to his attitude toward St Joe.
 
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"peripherally involved with a laptop (theft) situation."

yeah, why would you want to keep someone like that at your school? Go let him be someone else's problem.

One does not have to let him be some one else's problem. Looks like he is trying to game the system and has gotten caught.
 
I think there is definitely more to this story than we are hearing.

St. J's are being very cryptic, but it sounds like there are some issues with his behaviour that they cannot condone.
 
I think there is definitely more to this story than we are hearing.

St. J's are being very cryptic, but it sounds like there are some issues with his behaviour that they cannot condone.

So they hold his last year of basketball eligibility hostage as punishment? And keep him from getting a scholarship, too?

That does not seem very Christian to me.

MotionMan
 
I think there is definitely more to this story than we are hearing.

St. J's are being very cryptic, but it sounds like there are some issues with his behaviour that they cannot condone.

If so, they're going about it the wrong way. When he was a student at their school his alleged behavior issues caused them to suspend him for one game. Now that he's not a student at their school they deem those alleged behavior issues to be worth sitting out an entire year?
 
I feel like we are missing part of the story

Even if he raped, pillaged and burned, is that really grounds for blocking him from playing basketball and getting a scholarship elsewhere if another school is willing to have him?

Re-read my title.

MotionMan
 
If the summer classes are really an issue, then they should have come to a compromise of the dad paying for them, like he offered.
 
What's funny is that he the guy is a complete stiff, basketball-wise. He isn't trying to 'game' the system, he just wants to play, a few minutes a game, one more year of college basketball.

The NCAA makes lots of questionable decisions, particularly with appeals from students - they deny extra years of eligibility every year for athletes that were injured, yet they grant others when the circumstances are nearly identical. I suspect like most processes in this country, that money talks.
 
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tt-tennessee-volunteers-seeks-transfer-family

Thursday, December 29, 2011
DeAnthony Arnett seeking transfer
By Joe Schad
ESPN

Tennessee wide receiver DeAnthony Arnett said Thursday he wants to be released to transfer closer to his ill father in Saginaw, Mich.

As a true freshman this season, Arnett had 24 catches for 242 yards and two touchdowns. He was one of the highest-rated prospects in coach Derek Dooley's 2011 recruiting class and was ranked in the ESPNU150.

"I want to play football but I NEED to be here for my Dad and with my family," Arnett said in an email to ESPN

Arnett said in the email that his father has had two heart attacks, dialysis and a series of surgeries.

In the email, Arnett said he is seeking a release to all schools in Michigan. He said Tennessee will release him to a Mid-American Conference school in Michigan, unless he wants to pay his own way to a Big Ten school.

"Coach Dooley, myself or anybody doesn't know what the future holds for my father," Arnett said in the email. "I feel that I represented the University of Tennessee the best way I can on and off the field and I feel I have earned the right to be released unconditional to all schools in Michigan."

He also pointed out that Tennessee does not have any Michigan teams on its current or future schedules.

A Tennessee spokesman said Arnett is not being denied the opportunity to be released and play FBS-level football. The school has a policy of not releasing players to schools Tennessee plays or recruits against, the spokesman said.

The Vols have a rising standout quarterback, Tyler Bray, and rising wide receivers Justin Hunter and Da'Rick Rogers returning next season.

Why do the schools hold so much power? Such decisions should really be up to an NCAA committee without the ability for the school to block it.

MotionMan
 
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