Is requesting a 70 mile test drive acceptable?

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: RbSX
Maybe where your from pal, but most often where I'm from they most certainly are taken by trailer or flatbed.

maybe where you're from out in the boonies they do this, but not in the big city.

NYC .. 2 years ago.. my mom bought a new car from a dealership. We've gone to this dealer for years, bought 6 cars from them previously.. we knew the owner of the dealership and dealt with his SON.

The car, make, model, options, etc that my mom wanted was at another dealership about 85 miles away. We asked if they could bring it, on a flatbed or tow-truck, as my mom didn't want a "new" car with over 80 miles already on it, and with someone else having drove it for those miles.

The dealership said they could do that, but it would add about $250 to the cost of the car to cover the flatbed. They wouldn't budge on it. They wouldn't even let us buy it and go pick it up at the other dealership (as it wasn't affiliated with them).

In the end, we drove to the other dealership, bought it there, and got a better deal (including 5 years worth of free oil changes, every 3 months) for the "inconvenience" of having to go 90 miles out of our way to buy the car.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: RbSX
Maybe where your from pal, but most often where I'm from they most certainly are taken by trailer or flatbed.

maybe where you're from out in the boonies they do this, but not in the big city.

NYC .. 2 years ago.. my mom bought a new car from a dealership. We've gone to this dealer for years, bought 6 cars from them previously.. we knew the owner of the dealership and dealt with his SON.

The car, make, model, options, etc that my mom wanted was at another dealership about 85 miles away. We asked if they could bring it, on a flatbed or tow-truck, as my mom didn't want a "new" car with over 80 miles already on it, and with someone else having drove it for those miles.

The dealership said they could do that, but it would add about $250 to the cost of the car to cover the flatbed. They wouldn't budge on it. They wouldn't even let us buy it and go pick it up at the other dealership (as it wasn't affiliated with them).

In the end, we drove to the other dealership, bought it there, and got a better deal (including 5 years worth of free oil changes, every 3 months) for the "inconvenience" of having to go 90 miles out of our way to buy the car.

:thumbsup:

I would never buy a brand new car with 80 miles on it. That's stupid. If it's got 80 miles on it, it's used and I would expect a price break in the form of the percentage the car loses as soon as I drive it off the lot. I don't care if nobody has signed paperwork for it before - its been driven, its been on the road, it is not brand new. That completely defeats the purpose of buying a new car for me.

Breakin procedure -

Check compression in each cylinder. Note compression. Do this cold.

From cold, gently let it reach operating temperature, then take it out for a spin - A hard pull in 3rd up to 3/4th of redline.

Bring it back home, let it cool down to ambient.

Check and note compression again.

Gently let it reach operating temperature, take it out for another spin. This time, bring it all the way to redline.

Again, let it cool down to ambient and check compression. You should notice an increase at this point.

Take it out for the 3rd run, bringing it to 3/4 redline once again. Let it cool down, check compression. You should expect 5-10PSI improvement.

I would probably take it out for a 4th run, let it cool down and check compression again just to make sure it isn't still rising. If it is, keep doing the same procedure until it levels off.

Checking the compression like this will give you a baseline over the life of the engine. Once it levels off, the compression should stay the same for many tens of thousands of miles. It will also alert you to any major mechanical problems involving the cylinder walls, pistons and/or rings. If you notice a 10% or more deviation between cylinders, it would be time to invoke lemon law and return the defective car.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: RbSX
Maybe where your from pal, but most often where I'm from they most certainly are taken by trailer or flatbed.

maybe where you're from out in the boonies they do this, but not in the big city.

NYC .. 2 years ago.. my mom bought a new car from a dealership. We've gone to this dealer for years, bought 6 cars from them previously.. we knew the owner of the dealership and dealt with his SON.

The car, make, model, options, etc that my mom wanted was at another dealership about 85 miles away. We asked if they could bring it, on a flatbed or tow-truck, as my mom didn't want a "new" car with over 80 miles already on it, and with someone else having drove it for those miles.

The dealership said they could do that, but it would add about $250 to the cost of the car to cover the flatbed. They wouldn't budge on it. They wouldn't even let us buy it and go pick it up at the other dealership (as it wasn't affiliated with them).

In the end, we drove to the other dealership, bought it there, and got a better deal (including 5 years worth of free oil changes, every 3 months) for the "inconvenience" of having to go 90 miles out of our way to buy the car.

What the frack are you talking about boonies?

It actually seems that we pretty much agree.

Anyways dealerships generally flatbed stuff around here.

 

[AVAFREAK182]

Quite the girl car you bought there.

 

[TehMac]

Wtf man?? This has got to be shens. Who has a commute that long? You're barely started working when its time to leave and go back home.

Originally posted by: AVAFREAK182
Quite the girl car you bought there.

Since when is a Subaru a girl's car?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Wtf man?? This has got to be shens. Who has a commute that long? You're barely started working when its time to leave and go back home.

I used to. Spending 3 hours in the car every day sucked.

 

[dahunan]

I cannot even comprehend how there could be anything wrong with your request.

If they try to deny you call Subaru Headquarters

You are going to drive it for 5 years probably .. right.. better than 100,000 miles..

 

[0roo0roo]

i'm sorry this is retarded, ops talking about the car like its a unique hand made creation and not some mass produced product thats been tested and speced out with great care. its a car and it'll drive like any others of its line unless its a lemon and then frankly its not the test drives purpose to suss out a lemon anyways, you'd have to drive it for weeks at the very least for that.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i'm sorry this is retarded, ops talking about the car like its a unique hand made creation and not some mass produced product thats been tested and speced out with great care. its a car and it'll drive like any others of its line unless its a lemon and then frankly its not the test drives purpose to suss out a lemon anyways, you'd have to drive it for weeks at the very least for that.

You say that like the OP has owned the exact car before.

Gotta get a feel for roominess, comfort, acceleration, handling, and general drive-ability.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i'm sorry this is retarded, ops talking about the car like its a unique hand made creation and not some mass produced product thats been tested and speced out with great care. its a car and it'll drive like any others of its line unless its a lemon and then frankly its not the test drives purpose to suss out a lemon anyways, you'd have to drive it for weeks at the very least for that.

You say that like the OP has owned the exact car before.

Gotta get a feel for roominess, comfort, acceleration, handling, and general drive-ability.

Exactly.. he want to test it for only one day of the possible near 2000 or more he will live with it

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: AVAFREAK182
Quite the girl car you bought there.

An AWD wagon is a girl's car, eh?

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Wtf man?? This has got to be shens. Who has a commute that long? You're barely started working when its time to leave and go back home.

18 miles to daycare, 19 miles to my wifes work, 8 miles to my work.

It's about an hour and ten minutes.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i'm sorry this is retarded, ops talking about the car like its a unique hand made creation and not some mass produced product thats been tested and speced out with great care. its a car and it'll drive like any others of its line unless its a lemon and then frankly its not the test drives purpose to suss out a lemon anyways, you'd have to drive it for weeks at the very least for that.

You say that like the OP has owned the exact car before.

Gotta get a feel for roominess, comfort, acceleration, handling, and general drive-ability.

it doesn't matter. the car runs like any of the others made by the company, tested, reviewed and probably meets a certain standard. its not some total unknown that he has to suss out every last bit of info by himself. thats not the job of the test drive. if it were there would be a drag strip and a race track in the back of every car dealership where you'd get to thrash the sh*t out of it just to "see" how it works.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i'm sorry this is retarded, ops talking about the car like its a unique hand made creation and not some mass produced product thats been tested and speced out with great care. its a car and it'll drive like any others of its line unless its a lemon and then frankly its not the test drives purpose to suss out a lemon anyways, you'd have to drive it for weeks at the very least for that.

You say that like the OP has owned the exact car before.

Gotta get a feel for roominess, comfort, acceleration, handling, and general drive-ability.

Exactly.. he want to test it for only one day of the possible near 2000 or more he will live with it

its a economy car...yeesh, you guys are acting like like he's buying a supercar and should get premium treatment😛

as said if everyone loaded 70miles in a test drive the car would have to be sold as used rather quickly.

i mean seriously, does the op ask clothing stores to wear the clothes a whole day before paying them as well?😛

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: AVAFREAK182
Quite the girl car you bought there.

An AWD wagon is a girl's car, eh?

Not an Outback but a Forester for sure.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: JLee
Don't dealers often let you take a car for a day?

Depends on the dealer. I also HATE it when the sales guy wants to come with you on a test drive.

The dealers around here just got the 2010 Outbacks in late last week. Only 1-4 each. So they probably don't have to try to hard to find buyers.

i hate it when the sales guy comes. then he is like turn here and here then all you get to do is go around the block.

hell i had one drive where the idiot wouldnt let me drive the car at all. When we got back to the dealership he asked how i liked it. i said i don't know i didnt get to drive and i left.

Not always. I had an excellent salesman during my last two car purchases. He came along, but essentially let me go where I wanted. I didn't do anything unusual...a few miles of city, some parking lot speedbumps, a few miles of interstate...but he never mandated where I could and couldn't drive.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: lokiju
Post back your impressions if you can.

I'm seriously considering this for a replacement to my wife's car in the coming year or two.

Test drove it for a bit and bought it. Pick it up on Monday hopefully. 2010 Outback 2.5i Premium, Grphite Gray/Black, CVT, all weather package, moonroof, a few other options.

We are coming from a 2007 Honda Fit. The Outback is much larger. With the carseat in the middle, two adults can comfortably sit on each side of it. The carseat fits in the position directly behind either of the front seats! The hatch area is much larger. Even with the stroller, there will be plenty of room for groceries, etc.

Some say the four cylinder CVT model is underpowered. Coming from the 109hp Fit, it feels plenty powerful for daily driving. It gets up to highway speeds effortlessly at half throttle. The CVT is obviously very smooth. Gas mileage is rated at 29mpg. It seems very good for a larg AWD vehicle.

The ride height and ground clearance are fantastic. The Fit liked to scrape the bottom of the front bumper entering some parking lots or driveways. This with the AWD should make it a great vehicle with all of the snow we get in northern NY.

If you have any specific questions let me know.

Hah ... I just picked up a 2008 Forester yesterday. The 50 miles I've put on it have been a real pleasure so far. I went from a 250HP 3.5L 300M to a 175HP 2.4L Forester and thus far don't have any complaints about power.

Enjoy your Subie!

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Eli

I'm aware of these things. That doesn't mean I won't try. Like I said, I want a brand new car with 1 mile or less on it. 😀 Picky? Yes. I would be more than willing to work with the dealership in whatever way necessary to be the first one that puts the pedal to the metal.

I used to be in the "gentle break-in" bunch, but that is no longer the case. I'm aware that engines are test run before putting them into the car and such, but I still want to break my car in properly. That means 3/4 of redline with a heavy load to properly seat the rings. It only takes 3-4 runs to seat the rings.

A gentle break-in is one of the single worst things you can do to a brand new engine.

lol @ you.

You want a car with no test drive/lot movement miles on it from the dealership? Good luck.

And you think engine break in actually still occurs? No way. Engines are broken in with runs under load at the factory before they even get dropped in your vehicle. The factory runs them, swaps the break in oil fill, then puts them in the car.

Quit fooling yourself...the piston rings are already well seated before the car even gets off the boat. Ask any dealer service manager about this. If you do have compression differences when you start driving it, you've got a fucked vehicle.

 

[DayLaPaul]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: lokiju
Post back your impressions if you can.

I'm seriously considering this for a replacement to my wife's car in the coming year or two.

Test drove it for a bit and bought it. Pick it up on Monday hopefully. 2010 Outback 2.5i Premium, Grphite Gray/Black, CVT, all weather package, moonroof, a few other options.

We are coming from a 2007 Honda Fit. The Outback is much larger. With the carseat in the middle, two adults can comfortably sit on each side of it. The carseat fits in the position directly behind either of the front seats! The hatch area is much larger. Even with the stroller, there will be plenty of room for groceries, etc.

Some say the four cylinder CVT model is underpowered. Coming from the 109hp Fit, it feels plenty powerful for daily driving. It gets up to highway speeds effortlessly at half throttle. The CVT is obviously very smooth. Gas mileage is rated at 29mpg. It seems very good for a larg AWD vehicle.

The ride height and ground clearance are fantastic. The Fit liked to scrape the bottom of the front bumper entering some parking lots or driveways. This with the AWD should make it a great vehicle with all of the snow we get in northern NY.

If you have any specific questions let me know.

So did they let you test drive it for 70 miles?

 

[Capt Caveman]

nm

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
So did they let you test drive it for 70 miles?

Didn't ask. Went in told them if they gave me X amount for my trade I would buy one of their cars. They did, so I did.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
So did they let you test drive it for 70 miles?

Didn't ask. Went in told them if they gave me X amount for my trade I would buy one of their cars. They did, so I did.

you should have asked anyway so we could resolve the thread 😛

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Eli

I'm aware of these things. That doesn't mean I won't try. Like I said, I want a brand new car with 1 mile or less on it. 😀 Picky? Yes. I would be more than willing to work with the dealership in whatever way necessary to be the first one that puts the pedal to the metal.

I used to be in the "gentle break-in" bunch, but that is no longer the case. I'm aware that engines are test run before putting them into the car and such, but I still want to break my car in properly. That means 3/4 of redline with a heavy load to properly seat the rings. It only takes 3-4 runs to seat the rings.

A gentle break-in is one of the single worst things you can do to a brand new engine.

lol @ you.

You want a car with no test drive/lot movement miles on it from the dealership? Good luck.

And you think engine break in actually still occurs? No way. Engines are broken in with runs under load at the factory before they even get dropped in your vehicle. The factory runs them, swaps the break in oil fill, then puts them in the car.

Quit fooling yourself...the piston rings are already well seated before the car even gets off the boat. Ask any dealer service manager about this. If you do have compression differences when you start driving it, you've got a fucked vehicle.

I'm not sure if this is entirely true. I know they're test run, but are they test run on a dyno with a load? That seems like a lot of work... It would take a lot of manhours to do that for hundreds of thousands of engines. Even if they are, I would assume it is only 1 run. It takes 2-3+ runs to seat the rings.

Besides, broken-in or not.. it's the principle of the matter. I want a car with as few miles as possible on it if 1) they're going to pawn it off as "brand new", and 2) I'm spending 15-25,000+.. it's my money. If they can't meet my demands, I will find a dealership that can. 🙂

I'd like to pick up a 2010 Insight at some point...

 

[Gothgar]

70 sounds excessive

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Eli

I'm aware of these things. That doesn't mean I won't try. Like I said, I want a brand new car with 1 mile or less on it. 😀 Picky? Yes. I would be more than willing to work with the dealership in whatever way necessary to be the first one that puts the pedal to the metal.

I used to be in the "gentle break-in" bunch, but that is no longer the case. I'm aware that engines are test run before putting them into the car and such, but I still want to break my car in properly. That means 3/4 of redline with a heavy load to properly seat the rings. It only takes 3-4 runs to seat the rings.

A gentle break-in is one of the single worst things you can do to a brand new engine.

lol @ you.

You want a car with no test drive/lot movement miles on it from the dealership? Good luck.

And you think engine break in actually still occurs? No way. Engines are broken in with runs under load at the factory before they even get dropped in your vehicle. The factory runs them, swaps the break in oil fill, then puts them in the car.

Quit fooling yourself...the piston rings are already well seated before the car even gets off the boat. Ask any dealer service manager about this. If you do have compression differences when you start driving it, you've got a fucked vehicle.

I'm not sure if this is entirely true. I know they're test run, but are they test run on a dyno with a load? That seems like a lot of work... It would take a lot of manhours to do that for hundreds of thousands of engines. Even if they are, I would assume it is only 1 run. It takes 2-3+ runs to seat the rings.

Besides, broken-in or not.. it's the principle of the matter. I want a car with as few miles as possible on it if 1) they're going to pawn it off as "brand new", and 2) I'm spending 15-25,000+.. it's my money. If they can't meet my demands, I will find a dealership that can. 🙂

I'd like to pick up a 2010 Insight at some point...

You aint gonna get any sort of special treatment on a $15,000 car. Stop talking out your ass. It isn't going to happen, period.