Is President Bush America's Spirtual Leader?

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: JupiterJonesIs it a war? We did not declare war. What you call the war is more a semantic game than anything else. I don't know what you mean when you use the term religious war.

What you could say is that President Bushs religious beliefs contributed to his decision to wage this war. Do you remember all the talke about Just War. Just War Theory concerns the criterion as to when a Christian can go to war - i.e. Thomas Aquinas.

The idea that someone can make a decision without regard to his religious beliefs is fundamentally flawed. These beliefs make up the world view of the person in question.

Jup

You claim that others use semantics, and then you use them to try and say this is not a war.

If this is a Just War, why did the Catholic Church speak out against it?

Jesus has no place in politics. If I told my boss that Jesus told me to install product X on the server, I'd be laughed at and fired. Bush uses it as a reason to invade another country and people are all gung ho about it.

Oh, and I'm curious as to what names I was called.

I mention Just War to show how a Christian worldview is used in contemplation of a secular decision. I make no claim that this is a Just War as war was never declared, this seems to not be a war of last resort, and there does seem to be targeting of noncombatants.

It is interesting to mention the analogy of Jesus telling you to install product X on a server and the response. I do not doubt the accuracy of the statement. However, I owned and operated a national long haul transportation business for ten years and sought the Lord's guidance for every decision that was made.

A little If-then logic

IF God is in control of everything AND speaks to his people today THEN it would be a bad decision to make world changing decisions without seeking His guidance.

So,

SINCE GW believes the IF of the above statement, it should be no surprise that he applies the THEN part of it. It is only the guys who doubt the IF that object to the THEN.

Jup

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Maybe he's just delusional.

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

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"Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English."

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Originally posted by: Gaard
Maybe he's just delusional.

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

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"Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English."

I heard the original statement was something like " If god didnt mean for us to eat pork why did he make ham sammiches so good?"

 

[Moonbeam]

Them last two posts wer rather thoughtful, in my opinion, Jup. I think maybe I'll pay more attention in future, to your concerns about the clarity of my posts.

 

[PrinceofWands]

America can not have a spiritual leader because America is not a theocracy, nor does it have a state religion. Therefore no one leader can embody the needs of all of it's people.

No, Bush is not our leader. Even if we were to have a spiritual leader or body of leaders it shouldn't be in ANY way affiliated with our politicians.

I think Bush THINKS he's our spiritual leader though, or would like to be. But if he tries to force it much harder he's going to meet the business end of someones long rifle from a book depository somewhere...people will only allow so much interferance with their religious freedom before they take action, as has been proved time and time again in the world.