Is President Bush America's Spirtual Leader?

[Zephyr106]

These are serious polls for a philosophical treatise I am constructing.

Zephyr

 

[CADsortaGUY]

*cookie*

CkG

 

[rickn]

I worship him from my throne room. but strange enough, it gives me diarrhaea

 

[n0cmonkey]

Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

He has no right to use religion as a basis for making secular policy decisions.

 

[conjur]

Only sheep worship the Bush-God.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Bush wields the hammer of God, ever willing to smite down those who wish us evil.

 

[conjur]

^^^ See what I mean?

 

[conjur]

hmm...dp?

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

He has no right to use religion as a basis for making secular policy decisions.

Why not? Since it is impossible to seperate body, soul and spirit, it is impossible for him to make any decision without consideration of his religious beliefs. And since these beliefs were well known when he was elected, he has no right to make a decision without due consideration of his religious beliefs.

This is exactly why the religious beliefs of elected officials is so important. People who voted for Bush knew about his beliefs and COUNTED on this being a factor during his presidency.

Jup

Jup

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

He has no right to use religion as a basis for making secular policy decisions.

Why not? Since it is impossible to seperate body, soul and spirit, it is impossible for him to make any decision without consideration of his religious beliefs. And since these beliefs were well known when he was elected, he has no right to make a decision without due consideration of his religious beliefs.

This is exactly why the religious beliefs of elected officials is so important. People who voted for Bush knew about his beliefs and COUNTED on this being a factor during his presidency.

Jup

Jup

So then the Iraqi War could be called a religious war then by your logic?

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

He has no right to use religion as a basis for making secular policy decisions.

Why not? Since it is impossible to seperate body, soul and spirit, it is impossible for him to make any decision without consideration of his religious beliefs. And since these beliefs were well known when he was elected, he has no right to make a decision without due consideration of his religious beliefs.

This is exactly why the religious beliefs of elected officials is so important. People who voted for Bush knew about his beliefs and COUNTED on this being a factor during his presidency.

Jup

Jup

So then the Iraqi War could be called a religious war then by your logic?

Is it a war? We did not declare war. What you call the war is more a semantic game than anything else. I don't know what you mean when you use the term religious war.

What you could say is that President Bushs religious beliefs contributed to his decision to wage this war. Do you remember all the talke about Just War. Just War Theory concerns the criterion as to when a Christian can go to war - i.e. Thomas Aquinas.

The idea that someone can make a decision without regard to his religious beliefs is fundamentally flawed. These beliefs make up the world view of the person in question.

Jup

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
*cookie*

CkG

*flaming bag of dog poo*

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
*cookie*

CkG

*flaming bag of dog poo*

CkG

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Bush needs to get over this Jesus kick. He has no right to involve religion in the government.

No RIGHT to use what he knows to be true in his decision making? Where do you get that from?

Jup



edit: to remove pointless but accurate name calling.

He has no right to use religion as a basis for making secular policy decisions.

Why not? Since it is impossible to seperate body, soul and spirit, it is impossible for him to make any decision without consideration of his religious beliefs. And since these beliefs were well known when he was elected, he has no right to make a decision without due consideration of his religious beliefs.

This is exactly why the religious beliefs of elected officials is so important. People who voted for Bush knew about his beliefs and COUNTED on this being a factor during his presidency.

Jup

Jup

So then the Iraqi War could be called a religious war then by your logic?

no such thing, because as we all know the real reason for any war, even the ones under the guise relegion, is power.

 

[Kadarin]

The mental image of Bush as America's "spiritual leader" fills me with both laughter and vomit, simultaneously. It's a very curious feeling..

 

[0roo0roo]

the more he invokes god in his speeches, the more of an arrogant fool he is.

little like good ol osama me thinks.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: JupiterJonesIs it a war? We did not declare war. What you call the war is more a semantic game than anything else. I don't know what you mean when you use the term religious war.

What you could say is that President Bushs religious beliefs contributed to his decision to wage this war. Do you remember all the talke about Just War. Just War Theory concerns the criterion as to when a Christian can go to war - i.e. Thomas Aquinas.

The idea that someone can make a decision without regard to his religious beliefs is fundamentally flawed. These beliefs make up the world view of the person in question.

Jup

You claim that others use semantics, and then you use them to try and say this is not a war.

If this is a Just War, why did the Catholic Church speak out against it?

Jesus has no place in politics. If I told my boss that Jesus told me to install product X on the server, I'd be laughed at and fired. Bush uses it as a reason to invade another country and people are all gung ho about it.

Oh, and I'm curious as to what names I was called.

 

[Jhhnn]

People who voted for Bush knew about his beliefs and COUNTED on this being a factor during his presidency.

Not exactly. "Born Again" covers a lot of territory, and isn't really part of Methodism, to which GWB professes to adhere. All through the 2000 campaign, he represented himself as a moderate, a uniter, who would restore dignity to the Whitehouse and employ bipartisanship to get things done... Remember? I do believe, however, that he used a kind of code to communicate with the far-right fundies, certain catch phrases and syntax that let them know he was on their side- the rest of us didn't really know the code, however...

So, yeh, he is the spiritual leader for a small % of Americans, right up there with Robertson and Falwell, with all that entails. Robertson, in particular, preaches a form of reconstructionist dominionism.

Hell, Jimmy Carter is Born Again, too, but I seriously doubt he would have pursued the same agenda as Bush...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is a lot of crap being slung on both sides.

First, Bush THINKs he is a Christian. Many THINK he is too. Being a Christian by definition means following the teachings of Christ. No where do we see Jesus with a gun.

What we have here is a combination of nationalism and the use of religion as an excuse. Take bits and pieces of religious and secular political ideas and meld them into some abhorrent amalgam.

This isnt about God. It's about Godandcountry. God and country become a single entity. In one speech Bush substituted Democracy for Christ. To him they are one in the same.

Christianity as I have come to see it exemplified by people I consider worthwhile does not allow for this as being acceptable behavior. Those people are dismayed by Bush using this excuse. Blaming them for this is like someone else claiming athiests should not hold office because by definition they are immoral. I disagree with that too.

Unfortunately, both sides have a flawed vision of people. I believe it isnt religion driving Bush, but Bush using some twisted vision as an excuse, just as he twists facts that arent even there for his purpose.

Bush isnt about God, he is about Bush. He is right, and therefore everything around him needs to conform to his way of thinking, including the world.

His personal policy drives the world.

 

[przero]

WinstonSmith - Bush could very well be a Christian. His use of force as a leader is no where prohibited by Christ' teachings.

 

[Gaard]

Maybe he's just delusional.

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

*cookie*

CkG

moron

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Maybe he's just delusional.

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

*cookie*

CkG

moron

moron

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Maybe he's just delusional.

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

*cookie*

CkG

moron

Come on Gaard. Caddy says cookie like he takes a dump every day. He just plops that down here and there when he gets an urge. You just have to step over it like you would a doo doo on the sidewalk.

Unfortunately it's never really clear what Magnus Kain really is saying, but his point, "no such thing, because as we all know the real reason for any war, even the ones under the guise religion, is power.", comes close to the point, I think, that WinstonSmith was making. It isn't religion as much as human mental illness that twists religion into something the opposite of what was intended. I sometimes refer to this as 'the Devil has taken over the means by which he could have otherwise been defeated.' But for some religion still works as intended. You get what you bring to the table.