I was going to go to Mexico and ask some people there, but some of them hated America so much, they moved next door! So when my neighbors get home, I'll get the straight scope. I would've asked the Ugandans who owned that house before the Mexicans bought it, but they moved to a bigger house. They haven't been in the US long enough to have the so-called Civil Rights Establishment teach them that America is racist and keeps the black man down, but they have been here long enough to buy two homes and at least three new cars. My wife's parents and extended family (Asians) also used to be outside America, but they're all here now, too. Most of them have got enough money to fly to the homeland on a sem-regular basis, but they always seem to come back to the despicable USA. Maybe they're masochists or something?
I was going to go to Mexico and ask some people there, but some of them hated America so much, they moved next door! So when my neighbors get home, I'll get the straight scope. I would've asked the Ugandans who owned that house before the Mexicans bought it, but they moved to a bigger house. They haven't been in the US long enough to have the so-called Civil Rights Establishment teach them that America is racist and keeps the black man down, but they have been here long enough to buy two homes and at least three new cars. My wife's parents and extended family (Asians) also used to be outside America, but they're all here now, too. Most of them have got enough money to fly to the homeland on a sem-regular basis, but they always seem to come back to the despicable USA. Maybe they're masochists or something?
and what does that prove other than jealousy? personlly i think being hated by others is a sign we are on the right track because we are only hated when we look out for our own interests first, which is exactly what we should be doing as is exactly what democrats oppose.
I think the reference is to domestic policy and America itself, rather than the rest of the world.
I think he fully intends to unite us all, under the banners of Christ and Corporatism. Vast armies of impoverished Jebus-freak dittoheads, praising the lord and lockstepping into that bright future... and the leaders, who'll have wealth and power beyond imagination. Other than those few who resist re-education, who'll end up in razor-wire pens...
He'd have to be a centrist, a man capable of compromise, give and take in order to be a "uniter", to bring America's diverse society into some kind of accord on the real issues, to truly represent the interests of the hypothetical "everyman".
I think he fully intends to unite us all, under the banners of Christ and Corporatism. Vast armies of impoverished Jebus-freak dittoheads, praising the lord and lockstepping into that bright future... and the leaders, who'll have wealth and power beyond imagination. Other than those few who resist re-education, who'll end up in razor-wire pens...
He'd have to be a centrist, a man capable of compromise, give and take in order to be a "uniter", to bring America's diverse society into some kind of accord on the real issues, to truly represent the interests of the hypothetical "everyman".
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
) - and the war. Every single case they have supported him and then turned on him.
No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
) - and the war. Every single case they have supported him and then turned on him.No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Wrong - Bush's highest ratings were when he was helping the nation unite after 9/11. How quickly people forget how Bush led us through that period.
CkG
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You don't think anyone else could've helped the Country get through it???
Sad
Yes you are, and maybe someone else could have. But the FACT is that Bush did lead us through that time and people were pleased he did. But like I said - they seemed to have forgotten about that already.
CkG
Bowfinger
Lifer
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Wow! Revisionist history at its finest.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
Bowfinger
Lifer
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I'm so glad you asked. I've posted this before, maybe even in response to one of your posts. Nonetheless, here it is again. I will keep posting it until the Bush apologists stop floating this "Coalition of the Willing" canard.
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The so-called Coalition of the Willing represents less than 20% of the world's population (including the U.S.). Even then, the people of the "willing" countries largely opposed the war. Excluding the U.S. and Britain, the "willing" represent about 20% of the world GDP. Only Britain and Australia offered more than a couple hundred troops. Many of the "willing" countries offered no support whatsoever beyond allowing their names to be listed. At least a couple of "willing" countries denied supporting the invasion at all.
Many of the "willing" are there because we either paid them directly, or threatened to withhold aid. Eight countries are there because they want into NATO; Bush said the U.S. would veto the memberships of any country that did not join the "willing". Outside of politics, that's usually called extortion.
More noteworthy is all of the major countries who are NOT on the list: Russia, France, Germany, China, India, Canada, Mexico, Belgium, Austria, Greece, South Africa along with most of the rest of Africa, Brazil along with most of Central and South America, and Saudi Arabia along with most of the Middle Eastern countries who did support the 1991 action. Turkey is listed as "willing" (after we offered billions of dollars), but their support was inconsistent to say the least. The "willing" does NOT include 11 of the 15 UN Security Council members.
No matter how much Bush tries to spin it, this was a US/UK invasion with an assortment of minor hangers-on offering their names in return for political favor. Pretending otherwise just damages your credibility. It would be better to acknowledge it for what it was and move on to other issues.
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
Nice apologism, CkG. He talked a lot about bipartisanship, engaged in very little, prior to the midterms. After that, he used the definition of bipartisanship provided by the spiritual guru of all modern Reaganites, Grover Norquist- "Date Rape".
He's the most partisan President in the modern era, going so far as to deny access to non-republican lobbying firms... The whole spat about judicial nominees is highly instructive- the Dems waved 178 right through, blocked only four, and Dubya and the Senate Repubs whined piteously about it, went into a marathon session, ultimately appointed two of those to interim posts while congress was out. If only the repubs had been so cooperative with Clinton...
Dubya's got all the bipartisanship you could ever handle, swinging in his trousers- Want some?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Wow! Revisionist history at its finest.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
Was the Education bill not written(Bush asked Swimmer
) and supported by the left?Was the Patriot Act not supported by the left?
Was the war not voted for by the left also?
But yet now they turn on Bush and deride him for these things. How does one "unite" people who are with you one minute but due to politics turn on a dime and hate you the next?
He has also taken on many things that are traditionally leftist items....but i guess the left hates him for that too
CkG
Bowfinger
Lifer
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Rather than essentially repeating Jhhnn's fine post, I'll simply point you to it. It's right before yours. I think he did a great job of keeping you from diverting the topic to something you can shroud in partisan smoke.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Wow! Revisionist history at its finest.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
Was the Education bill not written(Bush asked Swimmer
Was the Patriot Act not supported by the left?
Was the war not voted for by the left also?
But yet now they turn on Bush and deride him for these things. How does one "unite" people who are with you one minute but due to politics turn on a dime and hate you the next?
He has also taken on many things that are traditionally leftist items....but i guess the left hates him for that too
CkG
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Rather than essentially repeating Jhhnn's fine post, I'll simply point you to it. It's right before yours. I think he did a great job of keeping you from diverting the topic to something you can shroud in partisan smoke.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Wow! Revisionist history at its finest.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
He tried being a uniter but has realized that when you repeatedly extend your hand and it gets bitten - you don't continue to extend it. IMO it is the other side that has made it near impossible for Bush to be a "uniter". One thing about being a "uniter" is you have to have two willing parties - in this case the left has decided they didn't want to try. They have stalled and played games instead of being a willing participant. Then when they actually do work nice - they turn on him. Look at the Patriot Act - the No Child left behind(which who wrote?
No one can be a uniter under those circumstances...but I guess the left has no shame and is willing to stoop to that level of politics since they are out of power and want it back. The American people will see this - and they understand it too
CkG
Was the Education bill not written(Bush asked Swimmer
Was the Patriot Act not supported by the left?
Was the war not voted for by the left also?
But yet now they turn on Bush and deride him for these things. How does one "unite" people who are with you one minute but due to politics turn on a dime and hate you the next?
He has also taken on many things that are traditionally leftist items....but i guess the left hates him for that too
CkG
diverting? Look at the three examples I posted. They weren't partisan issues - but the left has now turned them into partisan issues AFTER they supported Bush on them. You can't spin them into being a diversion.
Jhhn's post was alot of smoke but little substance. First off - the Democrats were the ones with the filibuster issues - yet Jhhn tries to blame the Republicans for that
Recess appointments have been used before so Bush doing it twice is nothing to write home about. And his whining about some supposed "non-republican" lobbying is just smoke - and anyway - I thought the left was all about getting rid of "special interests"...or was that last week? or is it only about getting rid of "special interests" they don't like?
Anyway - just more BS from the leftists. The can't handle being out of power so they turn on Bush and then claim he's not a uniter.
I didn't expect much less from them though...CkG
No Child Left Behind?
While it's true that the bill enjoyed bipartisan support, it hasn't been fully funded, as promised from the outset. Instead of being an asset to schools, it's now an unfunded liability, thanks to Dubya &Co.-
http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/releases/rel11404.html
The Patriot act? Shee-it, Sherlock, it got slammed through before anybody even read it, seeing as how a vote against would have been political suicide, given the flames of hysteria being fanned by the Admin at the time.
The War? He sold that on false pretenses, fooling enough folks as to the severity of the threat and his own intentions to have his way...
Other causes of the left? Must be referring to the senior drug bill, a nice bit of pie in the sky, which promises to do more for drug company profits than seniors, to be implemented in 2006, maybe, if enough of his backers can figure out how to make money off it...
While it's true that the bill enjoyed bipartisan support, it hasn't been fully funded, as promised from the outset. Instead of being an asset to schools, it's now an unfunded liability, thanks to Dubya &Co.-
http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/releases/rel11404.html
The Patriot act? Shee-it, Sherlock, it got slammed through before anybody even read it, seeing as how a vote against would have been political suicide, given the flames of hysteria being fanned by the Admin at the time.
The War? He sold that on false pretenses, fooling enough folks as to the severity of the threat and his own intentions to have his way...
Other causes of the left? Must be referring to the senior drug bill, a nice bit of pie in the sky, which promises to do more for drug company profits than seniors, to be implemented in 2006, maybe, if enough of his backers can figure out how to make money off it...
Bowfinger
Lifer
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OK Cad, you've convinced me. Bush is a "uniter", in the same Reverso-world view that is Bush's hallmark: war is peace, wrong is right, down is up.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[...]
Anyway - just more BS from the leftists. The can't handle being out of power so they turn on Bush and then claim he's not a uniter.
CkG
Get frickin' real. Only the most delusional Bush apologist could suggest Bush has united this country, at least in any positive sense.
he won and all the little babies said whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
and I still laugh
I went past the newspaper today, its next to the welfare office, almost every car had a kerry sticker on it
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Those are all nice excuses and such but it doesn't excuse them turning on Bush.
Claiming that the education bill wasn't funded is utter BS - Under Bush - Education spending has grown considerably. Chew on this FACT: The Department of Education has grown by 69.6 percent between 2002 and 2004(46.2 Billion in FY2002 to 60.6 Billion in FY2004)
The Patriot Act is misunderstood by most and kerry to this day thought it was neccessary after 9/11 - he just likes to whine about the Bush Administration's "implementation"
The War - the left has no excuse - they saw the intel and they supported it - just like they did in 1998. But if you really want to get into the war(which there are tons of threads about already) we could get into who voted for action and then voted against actually funding it...but I understand if you don't want to talk about that
Yes - senior drug bill is a good example. Bush campaigned on it and delivered whereas the left has been "talking" about it for years and years and years. I understand why they are pissed - their senior scare tactics where shown for what they were - just a bunch of hot air. I also can see how they are pissed because someone else delivered on a promise to seniors - when they hadn't. But yeah the same argument of "Bush didn't spend enough" applies to the left's argument here too - right?
But then wait....I thought the left was whining about deficit spending? Spending too much and causing deficits - or not enough spending on the programs - pick one because you can't have both. Pffttt - and you whine about Bush supposedly not being a "Uniter"...hell the left isn't please no matter what Bush does - even if he gives them what they say they want!
CkG
If Bush was truly a uniter (ahem, Cad), then we would all be united behind him and his re-election would be a done deal. Instead, the country is 50-50 and viciously partisan on every single damn issue you can think of. Even people's opinions of Bush as a person -- 1/2 love him, 1/2 hate him. The situation speaks for itself.
Despite the best efforts of grand spinmaster Marty McFly who robo-rebuts anything negative said about Bush, anywhere, anytime, 24/7. Someone swap his battery pack, for the love of god.
Despite the best efforts of grand spinmaster Marty McFly who robo-rebuts anything negative said about Bush, anywhere, anytime, 24/7. Someone swap his battery pack, for the love of god.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
If Bush was truly a uniter (ahem, Cad), then we would all be united behind him and his re-election would be a done deal. Instead, the country is 50-50 and viciously partisan on every single damn issue you can think of. Even people's opinions of Bush as a person -- 1/2 love him, 1/2 hate him. The situation speaks for itself.
Despite the best efforts of grand spinmaster Marty McFly who robo-rebuts anything negative said about Bush, anywhere, anytime, 24/7. Someone swap his battery pack, for the love of god.
Ah yes - can't refute what I posted so you try the old "robo" BS. That sure was funny once but has grown old, especially since you both use it when you can't refute what I post.
Like I said before - Bush tried to do what he has always done and did in Texas with bi-partisanship but it bit him at every turn. Seemingly bi-partisan things like the Education bill, the iraq war voting and support, and the Patriot Act have all been used against him by the left now. Tell me exactly how Bush can be a uniter in that type of environment?
There are many reasons why the left has played this like they have but IMO the main one is because they are totally out of power and are mad about it. They are mad that the voters voted them out. So they are trying to win back any bit of power they thought they had before using any means possible and if that means showing their true nature to seniors - well - so be it. If it means being blatantly two faced -so be it - they crave power. But again that is just my opinion but I know there are many who share that opinion with me(even some on the left
)CkG
Interesting, it was only last year when Bush and Kennedy were all smiles over their Education Bill. It seems like all have forgotten about it.
Some people would even say it happened like this: The dems tried working with Bush and ended up getting screwed. Hmmmm, two sides to every story I guess. But when it comes right down to it, you're saying Bush tried to be a uniter and failed? Wow, what a sad story that is . . . Oh brother. Sounds like a whole buttload of weak excuses to me Cad and very little personal responsibility . . .
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Failure to unite someone who doesn't want to be "united" anymore isn't something that can be blamed on the one who tried to unite. But I suppose in your reverso world - someone who tries to aid a peace negotiation between two factions is to blame when fighting breaks out.
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Dari - I know. I remember thinking to myself when I saw them smiling - "I wonder what swimmer has up his sleeve..." I guess we now know - no?
CkG
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