Is President Bush a Uniter? or is he a divider?

[tnitsuj]

 

[Moonbeam]

Bush lost the election and has governed from the hard right. He is an arrogant piece of garbage that appeals to the worst and most retrograde qualities of Americans. He isn't a uniter, but he's managed to collect a lot of sh!t in one place.

 

[DoubleL]

After Bush won the election, He has been a uniter that gave pride back to the white house and the military and most the American people not just blow jobs and using the military as meals on wheels, If he has a weak spot it is he is a bit to liberal for me,

 

[Red Dawn]

Well it seems that he did unite a lot of Americans to vote against him.

 

[Mursilis]

The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

Wrong, Id argue its because Corporations and lobbists on the Right and the Left have taken the Power away from the people.

Congress, the senate, Judiciary, and the presidency are just Seperate Families in one large crime syndicate.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

Sorry, but it's just not that simple. What you call the lunatic fringe is actually 30-35% of the voting public - that is, each party has a core constituency of 30-35% which isn't likely to vote for the other side. At most, this core will fail to show up at the polls if sufficiently alienated. That results in ~66-70% of the country committed to one faction or the other, and a moderate faction of ~30% which frequently switches sides and decides elections.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

Wrong, Id argue its because Corporations and lobbists on the Right and the Left have taken the Power away from the people.

Congress, the senate, Judiciary, and the presidency are just Seperate Families in one large crime syndicate.

It's just stupid statements like this which are part of the problem. Does a corporation or lobbyist prevent you or anyone from voting? No. The people still have plenty of political power, but are too mentally lazy to use it. If money mattered as much as alarmists like you like to claim, how come we don't have President Perot or President Forbes?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

Wrong, Id argue its because Corporations and lobbists on the Right and the Left have taken the Power away from the people.

Congress, the senate, Judiciary, and the presidency are just Seperate Families in one large crime syndicate.

It's just stupid statements like this which are part of the problem. Does a corporation or lobbyist prevent you or anyone from voting? No. The people still have plenty of political power, but are too mentally lazy to use it. If money mattered as much as alarmists like you like to claim, how come we don't have President Perot or President Forbes?

Stupid statement on my part, Or ignorance on yours.

Their are More lobbist for particular groups on capital hill then their are elceted officials.

Does a Regular Joe American have the Same Access to their Elected official as a corporation or lobbist has?

Who effects public policy and laws more, the voters or lobbist groups?

 

[DanJ]

Divider; nearly complete world support directly after 9-11. Now, well no.

Oh and he's pandering to his conservative base now with the gay marriage constitutional amendment that no way in hell will be passed.

Complete and total divider.

 

[DoubleL]

Well it seems that he did unite a lot of Americans to vote against him.

and united a lot of people to vote for him if you want to call it that, He upset the VP, If you are talking about uniting the Dems and Rep. you can forget that, But get real no man can do that, The people come together when they have to look at 9/11, If a war is away from people some will support it and some will not but let the war come over here and they will not need a uniter, No man can unite this country, Never has never will, We are a free country, We unite only when we need to, Guess it is to much fun fighting with one another

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis
The nation is deeply divided at this point in history over serious cultural, moral, and economic issues, and no president is going to be a 'uniter' for the next 10-20 (or more) years. These cultural rifts began during the 60's but were generally kept in check by the Cold War and the need to unite against a perceived common enemy, the USSR. With that threat essentially dead, societal rifts have grown since the late 1980's, and are reflected in our politics. Get used to it.

That's because the Lunatic Fringe of both the Right and the Left have taken control of both of the Major Parties.

Wrong, Id argue its because Corporations and lobbists on the Right and the Left have taken the Power away from the people.

Congress, the senate, Judiciary, and the presidency are just Seperate Families in one large crime syndicate.

Great post smashp :beer:

 

[CaptnKirk]

Divider, Protractor, Compas, Sliderule . . He's all those things, a simple tool for Cheney.

*NOTE: Lumping the numbers together and dividing (?) the total of each by the gross sum
yields a percentage that does NOT bode well for Bush, It may reflect his true re-electability.

29+6=35 (At this moment)
Yes (Anti-Bush) = 83%
No (Pro-Bush) = 17 %

 

[Shad0hawK]

the country has been divided since long before bush came along.

 

[Phokus]

Well, he united the world against america...

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
After Bush won the election, He has been a uniter that gave pride back to the white house and the military and most the American people not just blow jobs and using the military as meals on wheels, If he has a weak spot it is he is a bit to liberal for me,

:Q

 

[Ferocious]

People like Bush thrive on getting American individuals fighting and competing against themselves while corporate America collectively gains even more control over our lives.

 

[DealMonkey]

I voted "divider" -- that much seems obvious.

 

[Genesys]

im tired of all these "United the world against America" posts.

if the world is so united against us, how exactly do you explain the Coalition of the Willing?
and dont base world opinion of us based on the socialists from France and Germany..

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Genesys
im tired of all these "United the world against America" posts.

if the world is so united against us, how exactly do you explain the Coalition of the Willing?
and dont base world opinion of us based on the socialists from France and Germany..

Go outside of America for a few weeks, and ask a few random people on the street what they think of George W. Bush or America. Anywhere in the world.

One of my former Co-workers was a Isreali-born American citizen, everytime he goes back to Israel he actually has to LIE about being American. He says hes from Canada. I'm not pulling this out of my ass, it's true. We're even hated in Israel.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Genesys
im tired of all these "United the world against America" posts.

if the world is so united against us, how exactly do you explain the Coalition of the Willing?
and dont base world opinion of us based on the socialists from France and Germany..

Go outside of America for a few weeks, and ask a few random people on the street what they think of George W. Bush or America. Anywhere in the world.

One of my former Co-workers was a Isreali-born American citizen, everytime he goes back to Israel he actually has to LIE about being American. He says hes from Canada. I'm not pulling this out of my ass, it's true. We're even hated in Israel.

this is nothing new, hell Ive been attacked by canadians!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Coalition of the willing ?

Get real - except for Blair in England (soon to be a has been) and the other has been in Australia,
it was a bunch of 3rd world countries that didn't really even help. They just signed up on the
dotted line to go along with the BushBaby and collect money as a token compensation.
Pay the hell attention to history and what's happening, not the Creationist Revisionist Bush History.

 

[sMiLeYz]

The coalition of the willing is a fraud of course, I mean all we got is the Brits, and about 1000 polish soldiers. We do most of the work, the rest just put their name on the paper in return for some good ol' fashion black gold.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Genesys
im tired of all these "United the world against America" posts.

if the world is so united against us, how exactly do you explain the Coalition of the Willing?
and dont base world opinion of us based on the socialists from France and Germany..

Go outside of America for a few weeks, and ask a few random people on the street what they think of George W. Bush or America. Anywhere in the world.

One of my former Co-workers was a Isreali-born American citizen, everytime he goes back to Israel he actually has to LIE about being American. He says hes from Canada. I'm not pulling this out of my ass, it's true. We're even hated in Israel.

this is nothing new, hell Ive been attacked by canadians!

I know, I'm just explaining how the world views us to mr. niave here.