Is President Bush a traitor?

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Recent discussions in other threads brought out an accusation by another poster that President Bush is a traitor.

Here is a link to the definition of a traitor.

The question is two fold:

Is President Bush a traitor? If he is, will we use the same standard to determine if President Elect Obama is a traitor?

hi troll!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
CallMeJoe,

Facts are useful, in some instances. Facts are changeable, Wisdom is unchangeable.

lol

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
CallMeJoe,

Pay attention here, buddy. Everyone is agreeing that our accusations, while not without merit, won?t rise to the level to convict?

For Christ sakes (no that?s not blasphemy, I am licensed and authorized to use the name for power) you people (Ross Perot) need to keep your eye on the ball here.

This isn?t a court room, son.

Read the terms of service for this forum. I must have had a lapse of judgment agreeing to let some second rate arbitrator monitoring these boards hold sway over my conduct.

The point is, this is a conversation. If you want judicial standards, count me out.

I detect a whole lotta condescension in your post, sure you are not just a (My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts) kind of guy?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
CallMeJoe,

Pay attention here, buddy. Everyone is agreeing that our accusations, while not without merit, won?t rise to the level to convict?

For Christ sakes (no that?s not blasphemy, I am licensed and authorized to use the name for power) you people (Ross Perot) need to keep your eye on the ball here.

This isn?t a court room, son.

Read the terms of service for this forum. I must have had a lapse of judgment agreeing to let some second rate arbitrator monitoring these boards hold sway over my conduct.

The point is, this is a conversation. If you want judicial standards, count me out.

I detect a whole lotta condescension in your post, sure you are not just a (My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts) kind of guy?

i think he already has proven that he is, that was just him trying to justify it to himself since deep down he knows he his nothing more than a hack. his posts scream national review style well-schooled-but-unable-to-think syndrome.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Some of the things Obama has said with regard to the Constitution of the United States of America may be considered traitorous. It is beyond the scope of this post to dig out linked backup for this. I encourage others to do so.

Nah, I think the burden is on you to make your point...

Of course the links will lead to the right wing whackaloon sites, so of course you don't want to share them...

by the way, Eeezee - eat me....

NYUM NYUM NYUM... *BARF*

Eww, it tastes like there's a lemon party in my mouth

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

I believe George W. Bush and almost his entire administration are traitors, but it's conjectrual whether they could be convicted of treason in a U.S. court of law. - Harvey

Thank you, Harvey. Your frankness is refreshing.

I believe that Obama is a traitor. In my view, he is in opposition to a fundamental duty he faces as President, the defense of the Constitution of the United States of America. Recent weeks have indicated a slide off that stance to a more right leaning position.

That said, I too believe that my current evidence would not rise to the level of treason.

Conjecture is an interesting word. Perhaps we could agree that accusing each others candidate and party of traitorous acts is nothing more that a couple of internet blowhards trying to one up each other with insults.

BTW, do you have all that crap you posted on a macro?

Please provide some examples of why you think he's a traitor. Harvey at least did that.

After I called out winnar for being a hack and informed him that he was gaining a reputation for making shit posts, suddenly this Julius Shark person joins the forums and begins making similarly shitty posts. Coincidence? Are they the same person or do hard leaning right wingers just lack intelligence?

To believe that facts can be changed... wow. From a moral standpoint, that's just sickening.

The Bush administration supported torture, which is a war crime. That is a fact. Nothing you do can change that fact. You can have an opinion that torture is okay to use and that Bush isn't really a war criminal (giving the middle finger to the Geneva Convention), but that has no bearing on the facts.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Facts are useful, in some instances. Facts are changeable, Wisdom is unchangeable.

Fact don't change, what was fact yesterday is fact today, wisdom is subjective, hence changable. Wisdom will change with your experence, Facts will not. it is a fact that the earth revolves around the sun. That won't change any time soon. It was once wisdom that the earth was the center of the universe.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
how come you showed up and winnar disappeared?

This man is far more sane than 'Winnar'.

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
I believe that Obama is a traitor. In my view, he is in opposition to a fundamental duty he faces as President, the defense of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Arkaign, still think so?

 

[JSt0rm]

It's winnar. I know it. The threads are just as bat crazy. Plus I feel as though the writing style is very similar.

I delved a little deeper cuz I had a few moments.

winnar's last post : 12/27/2008 06:32 PM

Julius Shark's first post : 12/28/2008 12:51 PM

winnar hasn't been seen anywhere for an entire day and you KNOW he cant have any friends.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
CallMeJoe,

Facts are useful, in some instances. Facts are changeable, Wisdom is unchangeable.

You want me to try logic? Logic is a form of philosophy, not much better than a Liberal view of the World.

I?ll continue to live my life through Wisdom.

It?s a better way to go.


To the rest of you,

My Conservative friends, (where are you) God bless.

You other turds - I'll deal with tomorrow.

I'm going to bed.

Dude, I've read 3 threads full of your posts and you come across as a condescending douche troll.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Recent discussions in other threads brought out an accusation by another poster that President Bush is a traitor.

Here is a link to the definition of a traitor.

The question is two fold:

Is President Bush a traitor?

No just an incompetent Administrator that was ill suited for the Presidency

If he is, will we use the same standard to determine if President Elect Obama is a traitor?

Not applicable since Bush, although a bungling buffoon of a President, didn't commit treason. Cheney though possibly might have because of his part in the Valerie Plane situation

 

[Soundmanred]

Don?t drone on to me about how ?a few ruin it for the many?. You and I both know that is crap. We live for the edgy and push of the limits of decorum.

 

[Julius Shark]

Thank you all for participating in my thread. I think we all may have learned something. I know I have.

I found this forum while searching for reviews/information on DVD ripping software. The threads in the software section of the forums were very helpful. I choose DVDFab. I have some issues with it. I will be looking to resolve them via the phenomenal wealth of knowledge on these forums.

During my search, I clicked over to the politics/news section of the forums. What I found was a hot bed of Liberalism. To your credit, you are educated Liberals who would make Marx proud. I noted a smattering of Conservative thinkers. For the most part, the Conservatives appear to be muzzled. Some have encouraged me via PM. I will not reveal those names. It is a bold move and I thank you.

In my view we have established that there is a very low standard to be applied in order to characterize a President as a traitor. Other accusations would require a much higher standard. For instance, if we were to call the President, a traitorous impeached President. Impeachment is a Constitutional term where a sitting President is indicted for high crimes by the House. President Clinton (Dem) was only the second President in history to be impeached.

I posted a link to information that concerns me about Obama. For the puropose of investigating the integrity of posters , that link was from World Net Daily. Some immediately discredited the information because it was WND. Others pointed out more thoughtful objections. I have grave concern with Mr. Obamas church history and all that it may lead to. Mr. Obama has yet to produce an original birth certificate. It is very possible that he is not Constitutionally qualified to be President. Traitorous? You bet.

I believe that given the low standard that can be used to call a President a traitor, I will refer to President Elect Obama as a traitor. He has involved himself in things that are against what the founders intended and wrote. I?m sure that some of you will not agree. I don?t agree that President Bush should ever again be referred to as a traitor on this forum.

It seems that my declaration that Wisdom is unchangeable has drawn a real unexpected attack. Perhaps I will start a thread on that in the future.

In summary, I don?t like Obama or his supporters. We think very differently.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Thank you all for participating in my thread. I think we all may have learned something. I know I have.

I found this forum while searching for reviews/information on DVD ripping software. The threads in the software section of the forums were very helpful. I choose DVDFab. I have some issues with it. I will be looking to resolve them via the phenomenal wealth of knowledge on these forums.

During my search, I clicked over to the politics/news section of the forums. What I found was a hot bed of Liberalism. To your credit, you are educated Liberals who would make Marx proud. I noted a smattering of Conservative thinkers. For the most part, the Conservatives appear to be muzzled. Some have encouraged me via PM. I will not reveal those names. It is a bold move and I thank you.

In my view we have established that there is a very low standard to be applied in order to characterize a President as a traitor. Other accusations would require a much higher standard. For instance, if we were to call the President, a traitorous impeached President. Impeachment is a Constitutional term where a sitting President is indicted for high crimes by the House. President Clinton (Dem) was only the second President in history to be impeached.

I posted a link to information that concerns me about Obama. For the puropose of investigating the integrity of posters , that link was from World Net Daily. Some immediately discredited the information because it was WND. Others pointed out more thoughtful objections. I have grave concern with Mr. Obamas church history and all that it may lead to. Mr. Obama has yet to produce an original birth certificate. It is very possible that he is not Constitutionally qualified to be President. Traitorous? You bet.

I believe that given the low standard that can be used to call a President a traitor, I will refer to President Elect Obama as a traitor. He has involved himself in things that are against what the founders intended and wrote. I?m sure that some of you will not agree. I don?t agree that President Bush should ever again be referred to as a traitor on this forum.

It seems that my declaration that Wisdom is unchangeable has drawn a real unexpected attack. Perhaps I will start a thread on that in the future.

In summary, I don?t like Obama or his supporters. We think very differently.

I hope that wisdom is changeable. That is of course, unless one knows everything. Which, sadly, I think you THINK you do.

I hope that when I am 60, I am more wise than I am now. and God willing, when I am 100, that I am even more wise then.

But...what the hell do I know...

We DO think differently. Its a big world, lots of room for 'dumb' I suppose.

Edit: and and PLUUEASE stick around. I can't wait until Moonie gets a hold of you.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

In summary, I don?t like Obama or his supporters. We think very differently.

the key word is think, we (well must of us) think, you in particular are apparently only capable of forming sentences.

most people don't bother beating dead horses, and all the issues you brought up are precisely that, issues that have been beaten to death. No one cares anymore, because we don't want to do those threads all over again when it would just be the same points reached all over again.

 

[miketheidiot]

btw i wonder how long it will be until winnar cracks and goes back to spewing at the mouth with his new ID.

 

[Stiganator]

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[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

It's your thread, OP. I'd love to see your evidence.

Right here.

Obama indicates that the Constitution is not sufficient. Traitorous, in my view.

Thank you for maginalizing yourself with your link. Now GO AWAY. We have enough ex banned trolls posting here. Kthxbai

 

[AAjax]

Yes, he is a traitor to the republic.
Any siting president that refers to the constitution as just god damned piece of paper should be tried for sedition.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Recent discussions in other threads brought out an accusation by another poster that President Bush is a traitor.

Here is a link to the definition of a traitor.

The question is two fold:

Is President Bush a traitor? If he is, will we use the same standard to determine if President Elect Obama is a traitor?

No, Bush is not a traitor. Those who say he is is using a very loose interpretation of the definition. Welcome to the internet, where a loud voice & stupidity are king.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Recent discussions in other threads brought out an accusation by another poster that President Bush is a traitor.

Here is a link to the definition of a traitor.

The question is two fold:

Is President Bush a traitor? If he is, will we use the same standard to determine if President Elect Obama is a traitor?

No, Bush is not a traitor. Those who say he is is using a very loose interpretation of the definition. Welcome to the internet, where a loud voice & stupidity are king.

As you say your Highness

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
Recent discussions in other threads brought out an accusation by another poster that President Bush is a traitor.

Here is a link to the definition of a traitor.

The question is two fold:

Is President Bush a traitor? If he is, will we use the same standard to determine if President Elect Obama is a traitor?

No, Bush is not a traitor. Those who say he is is using a very loose interpretation of the definition. Welcome to the internet, where a loud voice & stupidity are king.

"With Truthiness on Loan from God". :laugh:

 

[Thump553]

I wish this forum had an ignore function. Julius Shark has only been here a few days and nearly all of his postings are either trollish or baiting or both. There is a vast difference between an honest debate and arguing merely for the "sport" of arguing.

 

[Julius Shark]

I wish this forum had an ignore function. Julius Shark has only been here a few days and nearly all of his postings are either trollish or baiting or both. There is a vast difference between an honest debate and arguing merely for the "sport" of arguing. - Thump553

Why not take a stab at answering the question? I'd like your input.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

George Bush is not a traitor....George Bush is the ultimate silver spoon child.

There is a phenomenon experienced by very young children called "wish fulfillment." The child wishes for food and it magically appears. The child wishes for a hug, cries, and hugs happen. A mark of maturity is growing out of the wish fulfillment stage and beginning to recognize cause and effect, consequences, etc. But if a child is coddled and protected from cause and effect and from consequences, it is possible to go on believing utterly in wish fulfillment.

Until the mid 80's, he was a spoiled trust funder, drinking, drugging, just having a grand old time with every wish fulfilled, but probably depressed (leading to drinking and drugging) because he was not his own man. Then he got religion and stopped drinking and drugging. So, he substituted a new wish fulfillment strategy. I'll believe in Jesus and he'll get me what I want. He wished to be governor, and by golly it happened. No matter that the cause was daddy's money and friends and his malleability arising from having no political, moral, philosophical code of his own. Jesus made it so. Then he wished to be President, and it happened again. No matter again that his daddy's money and friends, and a willingness to lie continuously, i.e. complete moral suspension, paved the way. Jesus made it so.

Then he wished to change the world and expected it to happen just as it always had before. No matter that it hasn't and many things have gone disastrously wrong - he knows it will happen, everything will be just fine, because he wished it to be so. Accordingly, it is no surprise he spends his days sunny and optimistic, unfazed by the facts, uninterested in studying reports, investigating consequences, exploring options. He needs merely to wish and it will be so.

He is supported by a huge team of enablers and one team leader devoid of moral compass who has a single goal, power for its own sake with the corollary of fabulous wealth. Dick Cheney, himself happy and content, because he can run the country unhindered by the fool in the Oval Office who is busy wishing and knowing but otherwise out of the way.

But a traitor?... I don't think so.